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 vadersson wrote:
Let’s be honest, rules need tightened up some first. I think that is rapidly becoming the biggest issue with LI now that minis are more available.

I haven't picked up any material for LI yet, so I'm asking blind - which bits of the rules do you think need focus first?

The main issues with the game right now are the lack of balance leaning towards infantry, some loadout options being pointless, and the objectives/scoring system being pretty awful.
But, I think AT started off quite badly from a missions/objectives perspective so hopefully if they start getting some feedback from events and the like (which are now changing how those work) hopefully that will feed into a new book.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, I like to think of it as “isn’t a main game, yet”.

It has a tonne of potential, and for my money the best ever sculpts its scale has ever seen.
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Yes definitely, the minis are exceptional. I'd love to see it become one of the main games, but not sure GW themselves see it as that. I think the last two (or even three) White Dwarves haven't even mentioned the game, and rules-wise it is probably one of the least easily accessible games GW has made in some time. But maybe enough of the minis sell (which I think lots of people get without ever playing a game) then who knows?

Legiones Imperalis is a Sub-Game of Warhammer The Horus Heresy; like KillTeam for 40k, or Warcry and Underworlds for AoS.

Not at all. Kill Team, Warcry, and Ynderworlds are not specialist/forgeworld games, those are products out of a different studio that shares resources with the main studio (and may at this point be part of it) and develops minis that are compatible with the main game.

That's not HH or LI. HH itself is a subgame w it's own bespoke miniatures kine, LI is a subgame of a subgame with it's own bespoke miniatures on top of it.

I know that's probably a pedantic level of nuance, but it matters in the context of understanding where LI actually sits in the hierarchy of things and why it gets so little support relatively speaking.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vadersson wrote:
Let’s be honest, rules need tightened up some first. I think that is rapidly becoming the biggest issue with LI now that minis are more available.

I haven't picked up any material for LI yet, so I'm asking blind - which bits of the rules do you think need focus first?

They started with a good base from SM2, but they made a lot of changes without thinking of the impact. Ranges are generally shorter, while infantry can move 3x base. Point scoring is progressive, but switching control of objectives is hard. Infantry can melee everything with no saves, so even the largest tanks can be swamped down easily. Some weapon loads have costs, some don’t. And some weapons choices are clearly superior to others with no down side.

Don’t get me wrong, the games has great bones, but it needs some errata or faqs to clarify and correct a few things. But that is also an issue, we only got an early FAQ and never heard anything since.

Can we set up a new thread or post in the thoughts on LI one for this tangent please?

I would Veletaris with volkite chargers, Solar troopers with jump pack (but not light Sentinels, I don't like them), one another sprue for Imperial Militia and so on.
I think this will never happen.
GW will do tanks, bigger tanks and titans, Custodes and Sisters, maybe new Astartes infantry better sculpted with another Teminator variant and another armour mark. Gw's agenda is too full I think to cover all 28mm range.

I hope for Infantry in Mk4, for Early Heresy and the Istvaan Campaign.

Jump Troops for the Solar AUxiliar would be a nice and interesting option. Would like they had also access to Rhinos and Termites.

pity they didn't essentially remake the 1st edition "Space Marine" frame, the one with the bikes, speeders, terminators, assault, command etc on it. just with more individual poses

I'd love more variation in infantry but I'm not seeing it, at this scale they really are just tokens and there are plenty of alternatives.

I do hope at some point to see rules for more varied infantry, stuff that can be the same bods but with different rules, or slightly different rules - maybe breachers with a CAF bonus or something for assaulting buildings. its going to be marginal though

perhaps one specialist unit per legion (even if in FW resin)

we will get more armour, that seems to be the ficus GW have decided upon

you want infantry? 30k & 40k, this is a game for "big things" etc

My personal hope is we get infantry kits for the other armor mks, certain legions I just don't want to do in mk6

I know lots of people want to see xenos races, and me too, but I REALLY want to see what they'd do with a Tyranid Dominatrix with modern designing.

 .Mikes. wrote:
I know lots of people want to see xenos races, and me too, but I REALLY want to see what they'd do with a Tyranid Dominatrix with modern designing.

I'd love to see Tyranids but I don't expect them for a decade at best.

The best thing would be not just seeing classic models but actually having a scale of game where GW could create new ideas. The Imperium has a LOT of titans; Orks and Eldar each have a respectable number. Chaos has a good many of its own design as well (that aren't just Imperial with a different insignia).

Tyranids, Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar (I don't think they have any that aren't a craftworld with insignia) oh and the Votaan - all have a huge amount of scope for titanic models

Tonight, I finished painting the last of mg Legions Imperialis.

Which usually means something new will be shown off in the next couple of weeks 🤣🤣

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tonight, I finished painting the last of mg Legions Imperialis.

Which usually means something new will be shown off in the next couple of weeks 🤣🤣

If our powers combine then t will be a full mechanicum release for LI (based on me just purchasing a bunch of plastic HH scale models for them).

Hey, last time I went to Orkney, 40K Orks got their massive release preview show!

chaos0xomega wrote:
My personal hope is we get infantry kits for the other armor mks, certain legions I just don't want to do in mk6

Death Guard looks only right in Mk3, I guess.

Mk4 would be nice for the Istvaan Campaign.

Mk2 could be used for a Great Crusade Expansion of the Game.

I still think we are going to get more infantry kits like the current infantry sprue but swap the MK6 Tacticals for others armour marks and the special units for other units.

So for example 8 bases of MK3 like the current set but then Breachers, Tartarus Terminators and more heavy weapons instead of the Assault Marines, Catapractii, Plasma and ML.

Then another set with 8 bases of MKIV with Recon Marines, Despoilers and more special weapons as the extra units

Yup I think so too. They are not going to re-cover areas of ground that they have already released for, especially when there is so much else that will be covered. But we do know vehicle boxes are released with just turret weapon changes, so in that respect MK3 breachers, MK4 despoilers etc feels more likely, as part of another single 'Legion specialist' sprue/boxset

chaos0xomega wrote:My personal hope is we get infantry kits for the other armor mks, certain legions I just don't want to do in mk6

I agree certain Legions and settings don't work as well with mk6. This is a Crusade-era force of Death Guard I did. If you don't want to wait for something that quite possibly won't ever arrive, there are a number of alternatives out there, very reasonably priced and you don't need a printer.

Does anyone else think flamers should give vehicles +1 CAF? Like the whole point of them is keeping infantry at sufficient standoff to prevent stuff like melts bombs being used.

Was fiddling about with a List Builder last night, and I was reminded that at present, Marines have no artillery options.

So I reckon we’ll see that covered off in the next wave, maybe with our super heavies.

Mech box leak.

See.

See

Told you. I get everything painted. Sudden new toys.

See see I told you if I bought Ad Mech HH scale the LI scale would appear!!

By Our Powers Combined!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By Our Powers Combined!

Captain Consumerism!

Gonna take GW's Stocks up to the max!

All jokes aside, Overread and I do clearly have super powers.

And I’m well happy to see LI get a new faction, especially one we’ve not really seen before in Epic Scale.

Now to make my unreasonable demands for lots and lots of a massive non-Titan shaped War Engines.

That is a very bizarre combination and size of units in a box! Looks fantastic though. 14 different units by my count.

those all look great. definitely the most interesting faction in LI for me so far

Very nice also actual Arlatax models

Very interested to see their Formations, Detachments and how the Sprues in that big box breakdown to individual releases.