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Back in the Titan Legions and Epic 40,000 days my regular opponent and I were playing huge games with several warlords and a Imperator (or two) on one side. It'll be a while before we get to those heady days again.

Yeah but I think if the game continues to grow it can get there. Though we might not get an Imperator.

But yeah even the boxed starter set for the game came with a LOT of models.

Nice thing is by modern pricing LI is priced really nicely - esp once you factor in 3rd party stores.

If an Imperator or other Emperor Class titan is suited to any game? Its Combined Arms Epic.

First, you will hopefully be able to scuttle some troops inside its leg bastions and punch it right in the gyros.

Second, as with all Titans in Epic? It’s the smaller tanks rapidly knocking your shields down you need to worry about, as when well orchestrated, it can leave you vulnerable to Titans or things like Shadowswords doing the big damage.

In AT? I fear any such battle would rapidly boil down to just killing that big honking Titan.

It is very convenient that most boxes cost the same. Makes planning easy.

Unrelated to pricing, I also like that there's other rule sets that can be played with the same models. I look forward to trying both Epic 40000 and Epic Armageddon.

Kinda?

In the game, infantry is super duper cheap compared to tanks. And the main Marine infantry set doesn’t bring a lot of specialist troops (just two stands of plasma, missile, assault and Terminators).

Where I might only want a box of Predators to field a squadron? When it’s infantry, I kinda need multiples.

Hence I’d love to see a second one focussing on the specialist infantry units.

I feel like we've certainly scope for more infantry boxed sets.

What will be really interesting though is not just adding to current armies with stuff we know exists; but if GW gets bold enough to expand way beyond 32mm HH model lines. Heck perhaps something like the Sisters of Silence getting their army.

I wish they would releases Boxes with Mk2, Mk3 & Mk4 Armour and Tartaros Terminators.

Honestly I personally hope they don't. At this scale is there really that much difference on the infantry models to make it worth doing different marks of space marine power armour?

I mostly want more Assault Marines.

Dark Angels get Phosphex alongside your standard Jump Pack. Which means when assaulting an enemy held building? I’m going in one window, and they’re rapidly exiting via the next.

But I don’t find another four boxes of infantry to get another full sized unit (essential for building bouncing and eviction services) just to get them especially attractive right now.


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If they do then in different armour marks I wouldn’t be mad about it.

 Overread wrote:
I feel like we've certainly scope for more infantry boxed sets.

What will be really interesting though is not just adding to current armies with stuff we know exists; but if GW gets bold enough to expand way beyond 32mm HH model lines. Heck perhaps something like the Sisters of Silence getting their army.

Adding Sisters would require moving the timeline ahead by thousands of years, to the Age of Apostasy. I think that is unlikely. The most likely thing is probably that LI dies without moving past the Heresy, but if it gets further than that, then it is probably into the Scouring timeline, as that will be covered by a new book series, and most likely also the 32mm HH game. That does leave room for things like Orks and Eldar depending on how the stories unfold, and of course proper Chaos Space Marines.

I could see it maybe on dreadnoughts but for the infantry I feel like the tiny differences just really wouldn't be worth it to do different marks at this scale.

The only thing they could do is perhaps consider doing different marks for tanks and such which is more difficult at HH Scale. So keep the infantry the same and do themed tanks and such if they really wanted to over-sell on Marines.


Though honestly I hope they don't even do that - whilst its cool it always feels like creative death when GW starts on the "and here's 101 different space marines with tiny detail differences on the model"

When there are at least other factions, forces and designs that are entirely different and add more to the game.

Sister of Silence, not Sisters of Battle

 Overread wrote:
I could see it maybe on dreadnoughts but for the infantry I feel like the tiny differences just really wouldn't be worth it to do different marks at this scale.

The only thing they could do is perhaps consider doing different marks for tanks and such which is more difficult at HH Scale. So keep the infantry the same and do themed tanks and such if they really wanted to over-sell on Marines.

Though honestly I hope they don't even do that - whilst its cool it always feels like creative death when GW starts on the "and here's 101 different space marines with tiny detail differences on the model"

When there are at least other factions, forces and designs that are entirely different and add more to the game.

There's plenty of Heresy folk who would be put off LI because they think that their legion should use / avoid a specific armour mark. I have seen people say they don't want to start Heresy marines with MkVI, so I think it's absolutely worth adding another sprue of space marine infantry. However beyond two would likely be diminishing returns.

Personally I hope they do a new starter box with more infantry options, then switch focus to the units that Epic scale does best. Stalkers were a step into something unique for LI, give us more of that please James. Capitol Imperialis, Ordinatus Engines, more knights & titans, Imperator...

I think there are other priorities to fill out the game than do more infantry. The current infantry boxes are irritating yes, but prints are a valid option these days.

They sound like positive changes. The big FAQ in April made a ton of good corrections and this is the second half so to speak. Knights and Titans being cheaper was very much hoped for and points hikes for infantry also seem on the cards.

I’d like if formation spamming was addressed in some way, just to hard code in the combined arms of the game, which is the best part of it.

If for example pintel mount weapons on Rhinos are in addition to the twin linked bolter as its modelled, 8 plasma marines with assault in 4 Rhinos with bolters and meltas actually sounds like cool devastating short ranged fire. That’s two relatively small changes that make for big gameplay.

Being able to Apothearys to regular infantry bases is at least interesting even if it’s a small modelling nightmare if all your guys are built.

This seems very much the LI 1.5 treatment after a launch where the game was slightly undercooked.


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 xttz wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I could see it maybe on dreadnoughts but for the infantry I feel like the tiny differences just really wouldn't be worth it to do different marks at this scale.

The only thing they could do is perhaps consider doing different marks for tanks and such which is more difficult at HH Scale. So keep the infantry the same and do themed tanks and such if they really wanted to over-sell on Marines.

Though honestly I hope they don't even do that - whilst its cool it always feels like creative death when GW starts on the "and here's 101 different space marines with tiny detail differences on the model"

When there are at least other factions, forces and designs that are entirely different and add more to the game.

There's plenty of Heresy folk who would be put off LI because they think that their legion should use / avoid a specific armour mark. I have seen people say they don't want to start Heresy marines with MkVI, so I think it's absolutely worth adding another sprue of space marine infantry. However beyond two would likely be diminishing returns.

Personally I hope they do a new starter box with more infantry options, then switch focus to the units that Epic scale does best. Stalkers were a step into something unique for LI, give us more of that please James. Capitol Imperialis, Ordinatus Engines, more knights & titans, Imperator...

The stalkers were a very encouraging sign that things could get wild. Epic was the scale to do the wildest units and I’d love to see that back.
Shocked the Imperator hasn’t been printed yet, I wonder does the cathedral on the back clash too much with the HH visuals? My suggestion would be to make a more sensible top and then make it big enough to mount the Civitas Imperialis spire terrain on it.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Sister of Silence, not Sisters of Battle

Oh right, I misread. GW is hinting that they will do something about Custodes/Sisters in the HH soon, so it's possible that LI will also receive some attention. It's perhaps the single most obvious extension. It's also a chance to make Custodes truly like they are in the stories, because the scale allows it.



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Shocked the Imperator hasn’t been printed yet, I wonder does the cathedral on the back clash too much with the HH visuals? My suggestion would be to make a more sensible top and then make it big enough to mount the Civitas Imperialis spire terrain on it.

Imperators supposedly didn't have the cathedrals during the HH, although the cover of the Mortis novel depicts the Dies Irae and that sure as the Warp looks like a castle on its back to me.

Anyone have the prices yet? Interested to know how much the thicc af Liber is going to be (which will give an estimate prive for the epub, being slightly less than that.. if its even coming as epub)

 tauist wrote:
Anyone have the prices yet? Interested to know how much the thicc af Liber is going to be (which will give an estimate prive for the epub, being slightly less than that.. if its even coming as epub)

The book is €51 / $62.50 (which I assume will be £40 like the main rulebook).

Tokens are €25 / $35. Cards weren't listed so will probably be direct-only.

Thanks!

That makes the epub somewhere in the 40-50€ range then. Still hoping we'll see an epub version.

Tokens and whirlwinds will set me back 66€

 xttz wrote:
There's plenty of Heresy folk who would be put off LI because they think that their legion should use / avoid a specific armour mark. I have seen people say they don't want to start Heresy marines with MkVI, so I think it's absolutely worth adding another sprue of space marine infantry. However beyond two would likely be diminishing returns.

Personally I hope they do a new starter box with more infantry options, then switch focus to the units that Epic scale does best. Stalkers were a step into something unique for LI, give us more of that please James. Capitol Imperialis, Ordinatus Engines, more knights & titans, Imperator...

I am hoping for new infantry boxes but with alternative loadouts. For example, Lascannons on MkIV with Meltaguns, Plasma Cannons on MkIII and so on. Mix in different dreadnought weapons, troop types, etc, it should give people enough to go for a different infantry set

I raged a bit at how frustrating those missile launcher marines were to put together, but it does mean they could replace the missile launcher part with some other weapon, without having to make a completely new sprue for the marine as well.

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I wish they would releases Boxes with Mk2, Mk3 & Mk4 Armour and Tartaros Terminators.

This, except swap Mk5 for Tartaros. Im fine with termies being passengers on the core infantry sprues. At this point they can put Saturnine on mk2, tartaros on mk4 and idk make up two more patterns of termie armor for 3/5. Save indomitus for the mk7 box.

The Imperator Titan in Titan Legions slowed that game, which was otherwise really fast to play, to a crawl with all of the plasma tracking and other gubbins.
If they tried to add this to Legions, the way the rest of the game is, you might get a turn in before the heat death of the universe

 xttz wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I could see it maybe on dreadnoughts but for the infantry I feel like the tiny differences just really wouldn't be worth it to do different marks at this scale.

The only thing they could do is perhaps consider doing different marks for tanks and such which is more difficult at HH Scale. So keep the infantry the same and do themed tanks and such if they really wanted to over-sell on Marines.

Though honestly I hope they don't even do that - whilst its cool it always feels like creative death when GW starts on the "and here's 101 different space marines with tiny detail differences on the model"

When there are at least other factions, forces and designs that are entirely different and add more to the game.

There's plenty of Heresy folk who would be put off LI because they think that their legion should use / avoid a specific armour mark. I have seen people say they don't want to start Heresy marines with MkVI, so I think it's absolutely worth adding another sprue of space marine infantry. However beyond two would likely be diminishing returns..

Absolutely anecdotal, but the few AoD players I spoke to at my local club who didnt want to play Legions because it was another big expenditure of time/money, on top of an already demanding game system at 28mm. A lot of AoD players are older with other time commitments, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a larger trend.

 Pacific wrote:
The Imperator Titan in Titan Legions slowed that game, which was otherwise really fast to play, to a crawl with all of the plasma tracking and other gubbins.

Because with Chaos Power cards, seeing who was hit by 18+Wave Serpent wave attacks, titan up/down/left/right dice+armour save+critical hit die roll, rolling for 40+ regenerating troops laying down and getting back up, scattering templates, rolling for blast markers that stay on the table, the addition of a few seconds to allocate some plasma made all the difference. :-) I would hazard that the admin time/points spent ratio was quite favourable.

I could see GW making an alternate infantry kit, with MKIII or MKII marines on it... but I dont think it would make lots of sense for them to do all marks in Epic scale. One sleeker more high tech one, and other, more trimmy one and the small scale will do the rest..

So, we could see the "other" armour mark infantry coming with the other Terminator plate, and similarly with a separate Heavy waepon bit (Lascannon?), and two more Contemptor weapon loadouts.. but be more or less similar to the old kit in other respects. This way, there'd be some overlap, but still some reason for fans of either "mark" to buy the other kit as well..

Alternatively, they will go all Saturnine on us and make an infantry kit with MKII and Saturnine termies.. to match the 28mil setting

I’m not sure I’d want granular infantry weapons rules wise. Just feels unnecessarily detailed.

I'm sure we will get more infantry heavy weapon options down the line though. Perhaps not all of them, but probably at least Lascannons and HBs

That I think would probably be OK. But I don’t think I’d enjoy having to be reminded which tiny stand of tiny dudes is Volkite, and thus safe for my Landraiders to squish, and which are Multi-Meltas, every turn.

An exaggeration, yes. But still based on a genuine concern.

Just like we dont have all the sponson options for the vehicles, we probably wont have all the heavy weapon options for infantry. Otherwise, you could take Rhinos with flamers and plasma, and predators with volkite sponsons

Heck the sponson weapons we have now are almost impossible to tell apart. A Multilaser and Lasgun look basically identical unless you are right up close to the model.

Plus unlike 40K or HH you can't magnetize them . It makes sense on the main guns for tanks and on titans, but yeah supersmall weapons become basically so hard to tell modelling them is almost not worth it and even if you do there's a good chance most people won't want more models that look 99.9% the same etc...

Plus lets face it rather than going wide on individual model variety; LI should go wide on whole model variety.