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Also, as a fun arithmetic, can we calculate prices for the content when buying individually? Would be nice to have concrete figures of the savings of this box compared to evetual retail.. If we assume that the entire contents of the cultist side + books + accessories is needed to play?
I'd wager the campaign book will be around 35€? Cards & Accessories 20€? 3 Cultists kits (Accursed 42,50€, Dark Commune 42,50€, Cultists 40€ = 125€.. so we're looking at a minimum pay-to-play at around 180€ in individual purchases if we miss out on the box.. which jumps to 35€ + 45€ + 50€ = 130€ .. 130 + 180 = 310€!
So, if this box happened to be priced around 140-150€, it will cost close to 300€ to buy the items individually.. Yeah, not into spending 300€ just to get the stuff in this box, I'm either going with the box or just the bare essentials later @ 180€ish
If the box was all new content, I think I wouldn't mind paying the €140 something. But with only three new sprues (whooping six sculpts), a kit that's been on two boxed sets lately (the chaos cultists on Boarding Patrol and on the one with the Dark Angels), and two old kits (Sisters are still good, I think, but the Tempestus are showing their age)... I mean it might seem like it's a good deal, but that's assuming they're worth what GW is selling them for when (for me at least) they're really not.
tauist wrote: Only KT21 Season launch boxes have 100% new stuff, most other boxes are always recycling kits.
As for the Scions, agreed, the models have those outdated proportions. I was thinking of kitbashing them with either NuCad or Kasrkin torsos, just using the heads, arms and wargear, should be a considerable improvement.
As for "might seem like a good deal", that's a term I associate with GW rarely tbh. Age Of Darkness was a good deal, Indomitus was a good deal, most other boxes notsomuch. All in all, when it comes to GW, the prices always seem a bit expensive to me, but not so expensive as to price me out from the hobby
Hard to get this quote system working on a mobile phone
But even the recycled kits had some good stuff. For the Infiltrators it brought at least one useful piece (medic), for the CSM also had a great sprue, and both had a great deal of terrain (in Moloch's case even more) plus other new cook kits (Aeldari Corsairs & The Blooded).
Agree with you on the good deal. It looks like it, but only because GW prices are completely bonkers.
At €125 I just might grab one and dump the imperial part.
anonymous @ best Warhammer Miniature wrote:i vote the choas dwarf lord as they are the greatest dwarfs n should get there own codex
€125,- for the whole lot? Damn it, I was a bit annoyed that this one dropped so soon after the last season ended, plus not at all looking for more Scions or Sisters of Silence, but at that price, plus the local retailer's discount on top of that, it'll be worth chasing this one down for sure.
That's lovely-I'd really like a copy, but there's no way at current stock levels that anyone is going to be able to get one unless you've got a scalper bot of your own.
125€ is quite aggressive pricing, which drops to around 94€ if you get it from a discounter. Compared to ~300€ this stuff will cost separately, you're looking at 200€ worth of savings.. Them scalpers licking their lips right now
Now, if only there was actual stock for this one..
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
I'm super interested in this box for the Inq models. I don't have any of the other models either. But I'm especially interested in the idea of a narrative campaign. However, afaik there's absolutely nothing known about the actual campaign. There's some cards, reusable stickers and those 'player boards'. But considering they are not hyping up the campaign at all I don't think it'll be worth it just to get this.
So yeah.. not sure about this. Was there any info at all about the narrative campaign itself?
Dirk wrote: I'm super interested in this box for the Inq models. I don't have any of the other models either. But I'm especially interested in the idea of a narrative campaign. However, afaik there's absolutely nothing known about the actual campaign. There's some cards, reusable stickers and those 'player boards'. But considering they are not hyping up the campaign at all I don't think it'll be worth it just to get this.
So yeah.. not sure about this. Was there any info at all about the narrative campaign itself?
Not yet, but I expect this to change in the next few days. WHC always likes to drip feed us intel about the upcoming preorder almost daily for the entire week leading to the preorder day, so tomorrow or by wednesday night we should know more
Just catching up on Reddit, someone there said Mr Hamer (KT21 designer) has poured a lot of time and love into this Narrative expansion. Since Mr Hamer is a genius (for a GW games designer anyway), I expect this one to be a real treat. We'll know more soon
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Another WHC article talking about the Inquisition roster. Inq team roster has 30 slots instead of 20, which is a big deal IMHO. I can see Inq teams becoming top picks in tournament play due to the flexibility afforded by such an expanded roster.
More info about the Narrative rules coming, possibly tomorrow
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Pariah Press wrote: What time to preorders go up on Saturday? I don't want to miss this one.
1250pm Eastern is the earliest that they can show up.
I usually hop on 1250pm Eastern and start refreshing the direct page for the pre-order product I want and it tends to pop up at 1255pm Eastern; it's how I nabbed the Tau Boarding Patrol and Gallowfall.
Kinetochore wrote: I would normally be well up for the new KT box - KT has been crying out for some INQ content.
I just can't get excited for a box there's absolutely no chance of me getting hold of. I've missed out on the last 3 killteam boxes and I'm still waiting on a box of Kasrkin I ordered months ago.
not being able to get online until 11 am due to working a saturday morning basically rules out killteam for me.....
I love the idea of the box set, but I know there is no chance of ordering it. It is pretty much a lost cause and GW has ruined KT and with the abrupt end to Gallowdark, it shows they don't have the production capabilities of focusing on anything other then their flagship. I honestly even think 40k will struggle and possibly get the Horus Heresy treatment. Where the box set may be available but every unit after wont.
GW acts like a new business just starting out with poor distribution and release management, you wouldn't think they had been in business for decades. I am moving on, I think Atomic Mass Games, do a lot better with releases and with preorders.
More evidence that this is practically a boardgame in disguise masquerading as a Killteam release
It all looks okay to good-ish, but the sheer impossibility of actually buying anything boxed from GW lately has pushed this release squarely in the 'Sure, cool, whatever' territory for me, and i don't think i'm the only one who feels that way.
Not sure what to make of the campaign just yet. The card play seems okay I guess? Also, the wording when they describe the final mission seems to indicate that it has 4 possible variations, adds a bit of replayability.
More evidence that this is practically a boardgame in disguise masquerading as a Killteam release
It all looks okay to good-ish, but the sheer impossibility of actually buying anything boxed from GW lately has pushed this release squarely in the 'Sure, cool, whatever' territory for me, and i don't think i'm the only one who feels that way.
KT21 core mechanics are solid enough that the game can easily cater to this sort of stuff. I don't really see Ashes being all that different from regular SpecOps, most of the extra stuff piled on top is just adding small things that can affect the games
Not to sound unrealistically optimist, but I for one am still going to at least try getting a box order in before just giving up. Hitting a refresh button aint exactly rocket science, or particularly laborous. I've already visited a couple LGS asking about reserving a box, that already required more effort than refreshing at 11:55 local time will take..
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
I love the idea of the box set, but I know there is no chance of ordering it. It is pretty much a lost cause and GW has ruined KT and with the abrupt end to Gallowdark, it shows they don't have the production capabilities of focusing on anything other then their flagship. I honestly even think 40k will struggle and possibly get the Horus Heresy treatment. Where the box set may be available but every unit after wont.
GW acts like a new business just starting out with poor distribution and release management, you wouldn't think they had been in business for decades. I am moving on, I think Atomic Mass Games, do a lot better with releases and with preorders.
The result of what is happening is that customers now percieve this box as much more valuable than it really is. Consequently, the inevitable release of separate contents of the box should see appropriately increased demand.
Basically the box is such good value that it would be bad business to let every potential customer have it. It's a scarcity effect builder for regular releases.
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I love the idea of the box set, but I know there is no chance of ordering it. It is pretty much a lost cause and GW has ruined KT and with the abrupt end to Gallowdark, it shows they don't have the production capabilities of focusing on anything other then their flagship. I honestly even think 40k will struggle and possibly get the Horus Heresy treatment. Where the box set may be available but every unit after wont.
GW acts like a new business just starting out with poor distribution and release management, you wouldn't think they had been in business for decades. I am moving on, I think Atomic Mass Games, do a lot better with releases and with preorders.
The result of what is happening is that customers now percieve this box as much more valuable than it really is. Consequently, the inevitable release of separate contents of the box should see appropriately increased demand.
Basically the box is such good value that it would be bad business to let every potential customer have it. It's a scarcity effect builder for regular releases.
I don't see Ashes of Faith campaign making much sense for players to invest into unless it's via this box. The models required for the cultist side alone cost 3 times as much as any other KillTeam, and then you need not only the book, but the cards, stickers and extras.
Regular KillTeam season boxes are different, missing out on the box isn't a showstopper, because you can just buy the team you are interested in and the book and you can play. Season boxes just gives you more stuff that you might not even want or need, so missing out on it isn't too bad
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Cyel wrote: Basically the box is such good value that it would be bad business to let every potential customer have it. It's a scarcity effect builder for regular releases.
On the other hand, if your customers don't think they'll be able to get the product at all, it defeats the purpose of FOMO marketing.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
I dunno. Honestly I don't think the contents are that desirable to the mainstream. The value calculations make it tempting but that's just bollocks based on the number of skus in the box, it isn't *that much* stuff.
Billicus wrote: I dunno. Honestly I don't think the contents are that desirable to the mainstream. The value calculations make it tempting but that's just bollocks based on the number of skus in the box, it isn't *that much* stuff.
You're absolutely right. It all comes down to the demand for the single warband of inquisitor acolytes. We saw how people scrambled for the Kasrkin but had to buy a box of necrons and terrain and such along with it.
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