Killteam 2023-news and rumors

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

How else is it going to stay on, and not weigh down your sleeves and trou?

**Altruizine**

Who says they're leather? They have the exact same finish -- smooth plastic -- as most textile items on GW models have. Paint them whatever colour you want.

**SamusDrake**

Now when home alone, one can not only enjoy a frozen meal with a glass of Whiskey & Coke, Bob Seger's "That Old Time Rock and Roll", and dancing around half dressed...one can also enjoy a quick game of Kill Team.

Free rules? Impressive. Most impressive...

**Shakalooloo**

Both teams have ten different bodies, don't they? Nice for no repeats, there!

**Tastyfish**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh no look at that combat gauge, they're switching to some weird arabic symbols for distances now instead of the clear geometric shapes, smh

You could always paint them to match the colours!

I think it was on one of the Painting Phases with Tom Hibbard, but the change away from numbers in Kill team was a fairly last minute change to help with accessibility. The plan had always been to emphasise that the values were based on their colours (three white is one red) to allow for easier translation following on from Warcry's embracing of various symbols.

But at the last minute they realised this might cause trouble for people with colour blindness so also added the symbols - but have playtested and developed the game using colours for distance they barely thought about it and thought people would do the same. Surely the fact that the values are black, white, blue or red is the most noticeable thing rather than the sides of the polygon...?

Apparently not, for any budding designers out there.

**StudentOfEtherium**

NightReconnaissance wrote:
Does one of their sculptors have a thing for leather straps? Because there has been a real proliferation of them across both 40k and AoS. I wouldn't mind but they've become quite obnoxious breaking up areas and running through primary places on the model making it hard for a colour scheme to shine through. Take the new Cadians who have those straps over their chest armour which should be a focal point of the model and the armour colour scheme or the giant one running across the universally maligned new Coteaz. A lot of leather straps on the new AoS Marauders.

I saw the straps on the legs of the Scions and almost thought maybe these wouldn't replace the current ones and be a separate kit just for making Aquilons given the leg straps that look reminiscent of those you see on parachutists. But then I saw the straps are just all over them and thought maybe it was a more general design ethos.

i like leather straps. the cadians were fun to paint for their inclusion, and they fit the aesthetic of a "realistic" body armour sort of thing. they seem more subtle here, so i certainly don't mind them

It's just a frustrating design motif since it blocks and breaks up surfaces you might want to have more prominence (Like the chest armour on the Cadians) and the obviously leather straps are hard to really be creative with paint-wise. Which, considering these are replacing an excellent classically modular kit with separate legs and torsos is a bit extra annoying.

**chaos0xomega**

Haighus wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm pretty sure at least a couple of those buildings are new, not recycled from Vertigus?

The ones with the flared buttresses are definitely new, and reminiscent of the Ryza-pattern fronteris habs or the Sector Mechanicus gantry legs.

One of those buildings also appears to have some sort of liquid/gas tank embedded into one of its walls as well

**Shakalooloo**

Tastyfish wrote:
but have playtested and developed the game using colours for distance they barely thought about it and thought people would do the same. Surely the fact that the values are black, white, blue or red is the most noticeable thing rather than the sides of the polygon...?

Apparently not, for any budding designers out there.

Maybe if the provided measuring gauge - the only item that defines the distances - didn't come in plain, grey plastic it would have been easier to learn the colours. The symbols are moulded on, but the colours must be painted on, and applied correctly to get the correlation.

**kodos**

If you need to make your own measurement tools, all the arguments for accessibility over plain numbers are gone
So shapes were the obvious ones, yet could have been easier of the shapes chosen matched the numbers.

So lets see what other changes to the ruls are coming

**Olthannon**

I've got to say those Vespid are excellent. A real upgrade from the old models. New colour scheme is nice as well.

**tauist**

So they're saying "Preorders September, launches October", do we already know most of the things coming to preorder till then? Just trying to gauge a more precise time slot for the preorder weekend..

21st of Sept could make sense as the preorder date in that case.. I wonder if we'll be getting another of those "direct order extras" with the box, like we got with Octarius and Into The Dark.. New metallic gauges would be nice of course, as the old ones are now "outdated", just maybe give us the 6" one in metal as well this time, hmm?

**NightReconnaissance**

RaptorusRex wrote:
It's called webbing and it makes sense for the Cadians to have it.

I'm sure it's more realistic (From contemporary military perspectives) but citadel minis got along with things just fine without for decades, it's a clear design shift. How is that metal shoulder pad staying on that guys shoulder? I don't know but it is. How is that backpack staying on that Cadian's back? I don't know but it is.

**Dysartes**

RaptorusRex wrote:
It's called webbing and it makes sense for the Cadians to have it.

All Cadians are Spiderman, confirmed.

**Haighus**

NightReconnaissance wrote:
RaptorusRex wrote:
It's called webbing and it makes sense for the Cadians to have it.

I'm sure it's more realistic (From contemporary military perspectives) but citadel minis got along with things just fine without for decades, it's a clear design shift. How is that metal shoulder pad staying on that guys shoulder? I don't know but it is. How is that backpack staying on that Cadian's back? I don't know but it is.

Most of the straps were present on the previous Scion designs from 6th edition, especially on the arms and behind the knee pads:

The new straps are pretty much all connections to the grav chute and look like real harnesses.

Straps have featured prominently on Imperial Guard models since at least 3rd edition (20+ years).

Steel Legion have a distinctive webbing with a Y shape on the back and two straps over the front to a belt:

A lot of Catachan models (including several of the 1999 plastic box) features straps for carrying ammo or heavy equipment:

The original stormtroopers had webbing running from the backpacks (its very subtle as they've painted it to match the fatigues):

And then the original 2nd edition Cadians... straps!

So straps have been part of the IG design ethos for decades IMO.

**jullevi**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm pretty sure at least a couple of those buildings are new, not recycled from Vertigus?

It's a mix of new scenery and old Battlezone: Vertigus ruins. It looks a little out of place because the design isn't consistent. I'm a true Imperial and I like consistency

**lord_blackfang**

Buildings all look to be the same style but not all copies of the same building crumbled in different ways, that's a win in my book. And the one with H-beam buttresses ties in Fronteris.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Also good for Necromunda. They may lack height, but more solid walls with a level or two are still welcome, if not actively desirable.

**GaroRobe**

NightReconnaissance wrote:
RaptorusRex wrote:
It's called webbing and it makes sense for the Cadians to have it.

I'm sure it's more realistic (From contemporary military perspectives) but citadel minis got along with things just fine without for decades, it's a clear design shift. How is that metal shoulder pad staying on that guys shoulder? I don't know but it is. How is that backpack staying on that Cadian's back? I don't know but it is.

This is actually something that bugs me with modern models. Especially when they have straps in other places. Take the Iron Golems from warcry for an example

He's got a chain to keep his right shoulder pad on, but for whatever reason, the left one stays on by magic. Maybe it's spiked on? It's just super inconsistent amongst the unit and even on the same model

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

There’s a difference between the two armour pieces there.

Left hand facing (so right arm) has armour covering the arm.

Right hand facing (so left arm) it’s just a pauldron, so likely attached to the chest/neck armour, to leave the arm freedom of movement.

Pics to support screenshots from the 3d view.

**GaroRobe**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s a difference between the two armour pieces there.

Left hand facing (so right arm) has armour covering the arm.

Right hand facing (so left arm) it’s just a pauldron, so likely attached to the chest/neck armour, to leave the arm freedom of movement.

Pics to support screenshots from the 3d view.

**Sgt. Cortez**

NightReconnaissance wrote:
RaptorusRex wrote:
It's called webbing and it makes sense for the Cadians to have it.

I'm sure it's more realistic (From contemporary military perspectives) but citadel minis got along with things just fine without for decades, it's a clear design shift. How is that metal shoulder pad staying on that guys shoulder? I don't know but it is. How is that backpack staying on that Cadian's back? I don't know but it is.

I don’t think that's true. From my experience it's actually what often sets GW models apart from many 3rd Party alternatives - every armor piece actually has a strap that shows how it's connected to the body. And it’s nothing new or from evil AoS, my Easterling models and lotr orcs from 2002/2004 are already like that.

**Shakalooloo**

Cadians don't need no stinkin' straps on their kneepads!

**Geifer**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Cadians don't need no stinkin' straps on their kneepads!

Cadians need no stinkin' knee pads. As such I can appreciate the lack of straps. Makes it easier to cut them off and restore the pants to the look the Emperor intended.

**lord_blackfang**

Geifer wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Cadians don't need no stinkin' straps on their kneepads!

Cadians need no stinkin' knee pads. As such I can appreciate the lack of straps. Makes it easier to cut them off and restore the pants to the look the Emperor intended.

Soaked.

**Billicus**

True sons and daughters of the Emperor stand proudly upright in the face of their foes to show proper disdain for their pitiful volleys. Cowards kneel in the muck to preserve their own worthless hides and that is frankly heretical

**Shadow Walker**

Billicus wrote:
True sons and daughters of the Emperor stand proudly upright in the face of their foes to show proper disdain for their pitiful volleys. Cowards kneel in the muck to preserve their own worthless hides and that is frankly heretical

Commissariat approved!

**Kid_Kyoto**

With a new edition coming it seems a good time shut this thread down and start a new one.

Any one want to take that on?

**Shadow Walker**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
With a new edition coming it seems a good time shut this thread down and start a new one.

Any one want to take that on?

Done https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/814445.page#11691215

**Kid_Kyoto**

Thanks!

Onward to a new edition!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/814445.page#11691215