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So, it's late in the edition but I figured that our lists probably won't change that much going forward so I decided to play around with some things I haven't used much, or using them slightly differently.

Xenos - Orks - War Horde

2x Ghazghkull Thraka (235pts)
Mozrog Skragbad (145pts)
Beastboss (80pts)
Beastboss (80pts)
Beastboss (80pts)

10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)
10x Beast Snagga Boyz (95pts)

5x Flash Gitz (80pts): Ammo Runt
5x Flash Gitz (80pts): Ammo Runt
11x Gretchin (40pts)
10x Kommandos (120pts): Breacha Ram, Bomb Squig, Distraction Grot
5x Meganobz (160pts): Killsaws
5x Stormboyz (65pts): Power klaw
Kill Rig (155pts)
Kill Rig (155pts)
Battlewagon (160pts): ’Ard Case, 4x Big shoota, Grabbin' klaw, Lobba, Wreckin' ball, Zzap gun, Deff rolla
Trukk (70pts): Wreckin' ball

I had a lot of fun with Ghaz in a big MANZ brick, and was pleasantly surprised with Mozrog being a decent missile/distraction Carnifex. He's just about fast, threatening, and tanky enough to be a menace that can't be ignored.

I went in to a team tournament with a Freeboota krew with a gargantuan squiggoth. It was a bit of a meme list, with 2x5 flash gitz and 10 burna boys in the squig.

I got turn 2 in every single one of my matches, it was rough.

Really really rough. It essentially felt like i played with stratagems only and had no detatchment rule because of the timing of the detatchment. Just running around hoping to analyze where important things would be and him being able to react to it accordingly. The squiggoth was fun though, but of course not competitive.

I won 2 battles, lost 2, and had 1 draw.

Lost versus Necrons (0-20) and another ork player (5-15)
Won versus World eaters (18-2) and death guard (13-7)
Draw versus another Necron player (10-10)

Funny highlights of the game:
Gargantuan squiggoth blast wiped 20 Berzerkers with his 10 burna boys and 10 flash gitz
Gargantuan squiggoth head smashed Angron to death
Gargantuan Squiggoth exploded in 2 of my games. One of them he dealt 12 mortal wounds to Ghaz and his 20 boys.
Makari killed C'tan The Nightbringer in my last game

I feel like i just want to bury this detatchment because the difference between going turn 1 and 2 is just too big. Going turn 1 makes the detatchment actually pretty decent (i tried that with training games) and going turn 2 is just horrible beyond mortal comprehension.

Wazdakka is confirmed baaaack ladz!

Looks like the preview for the Armaggedon campaign expansion is leaning heavily into vehicle and fast attack units, so we'll likely have a more in depth SpeedWAAAGH! detachment, probably one focused on Wazdakka like Yriel's was for his Corsairs, and a more generic Speedboss one. Hope it actually does something for buggies!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bmjvmce4/adepticon-preview-2026-wazdakka-gutsmek-battles-commissar-yarrick-for-the-fate-of-armageddon/

And to no one's surprise, they've announced 11th edition and Armageddon is the new box set. Based on the trailer, our launch bits will be a Warboss, Warphead/Weirdboy, Boyz and it looks like a weird open topped artillery cannon walker thing. Would have preferred a proper Looted Wagon or Armoured Ork Vehicle but we'll see if this is the "Shooty Dread" that people were talking about.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ctdexme4/warhammer-40000-the-new-edition-is-revealed-at-adepticon-preview-2026/

Looks like instead of making shoota boyz and slugga boyz separate, they've just fused them together, which tbh, does make it a lot easier for existing players and those who bought the new boyz. Curious to see how much the rules will change for them, if any.

New ed june 26, codex still works, lot of changes in the game and warboss on Warbike is back! I ´m happy.
Just little bit sceptic about the boyz. It can easily end “hey dudes make another 60 boyz to fix your squads to be working”

Ork Boyz now have the best of both worlds, with every boy carrying a choppa, slugga, AND shoota into battle – all they need to rake Space Marine lines with a hail of bullets before charging in for a proper scrap.

I guess that's one way to fix shoota/slugga boys. However, if all boyz are boyz, it shouldn't matter how you built yours.

I agree with Grimskul.

I really just want a looted tank, like from dawn of war 1 and 2. A good old: I will sit here, not really be useful in melee at all, and all my point cost has gone in to firepower and durbility" kind of unit.

A tank, for orks. Dont get me wrong i like the new models, including the new new ork walker thingie, but i STILL want a LOOTED TANK!

 Tomsug wrote:
New ed june 26, codex still works, lot of changes in the game and warboss on Warbike is back! I ´m happy.
Just little bit sceptic about the boyz. It can easily end “hey dudes make another 60 boyz to fix your squads to be working”

Look at that, I was spot on for the date.

I like the shoota/slugga boy changes so far, there's no reason to use shootas at all so having them all on one model is nice. The models so far look good too. Hopefully the rules don't let us down.

I'm not blown away by the Wazdakka mini, he's missing the hair squig and the chain blade (both of which are admittedly a very easy change) and he looks a little on the small side. I'm not mad about the giant tactical rock either. The bike looks cool though.

The size is also my main gripe with the Wartrike; it's meant to be a warboss-equivalent, so it should be reasonably big. The Wartrike boss is basically the size of a nob.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I like the shoota/slugga boy changes so far, there's no reason to use shootas at all so having them all on one model is nice. The models so far look good too. Hopefully the rules don't let us down.

I'm not blown away by the Wazdakka mini, he's missing the hair squig and the chain blade (both of which are admittedly a very easy change) and he looks a little on the small side. I'm not mad about the giant tactical rock either. The bike looks cool though.

The size is also my main gripe with the Wartrike; it's meant to be a warboss-equivalent, so it should be reasonably big. The Wartrike boss is basically the size of a nob.

Yeah, agreed with the Wartrike boss, especially when you compare it the FW Bikerboss who is sizably big and chonky as a Warboss should be, he looks absolutely puny in comparison.

Same thing basically happened for a lot of Ork heads that got shrunk from the Brian Nelson design, it happened to Ghaz too, his head got a lot smaller compared to his metal model.

Some more pieces of news I picked up:

- cover modifies the hit roll. If not done right, might be catastrophic for orks. Might also be capped at 5+, who knows.
- Fights first will be nerfed as a defensive ability
- You roll first for charge distance and the decide the target.
- One stratagem per phase per unit, no exceptions
- charge after disembark is back

Being unable to be shot from outside 15" seems absolutely crazy for Orks.

 LunarSol wrote:
Being unable to be shot from outside 15" seems absolutely crazy for Orks.

Not sure. The information on that seems massively incomplete.

From what I can tell, this is meant to allow units to survive the first few turns and at least get somewhat close to enemies. Plus you immediately lose it when you shoot.

I believe that's also only if you're in an actual terrain piece, so you don't just get it baseline.

Correct, but its still a huge bonus for Orks who really don't want to shoot and have an obvious advance and charge option to close that gap.

 Jidmah wrote:
Some more pieces of news I picked up:

- cover modifies the hit roll. If not done right, might be catastrophic for orks. Might also be capped at 5+, who knows.
- Fights first will be nerfed as a defensive ability
- You roll first for charge distance and the decide the target.
- One stratagem per phase per unit, no exceptions
- charge after disembark is back

Hopefully there's a cap on cover, otherwise we're up a certain creek without a certain implement when it comes to shooting. Or we become the melee+flamethrowers faction.

A fights first nerf could be big for us, depending on how far the nerf goes.

Rolling then choosing targets could also be really nice. Fortunately we currently have a lot to make our charges pretty reliable.

One strat per phase per unit is a bit bad for us offensively, but great for us defensively as most factions have some kind of offensive wombo combo that would be nice to get rid of.

Charge after disembark is tasty.

I like the "lone op if inactive" rule currently, most of our good shooting is in the 12-24" range so it shouldn't have to much of an impact against us and mostly just work in our favour.


I'm actually quite concerned about the mixing of detachments and certain detachments getting certain objectives. My gut says it's going to be a min-maxy hellscape that doesn't work properly, encourages super toxic armies, or both. I'm really hoping I'm wrong.

Something about objectives now being the footprint of terrain features is bothering me as well, but I'm not quite sure why just yet. Just feels icky.

I expect it will be pretty immediately apparent that entire model types are non viable simply because their detachment that makes them good has completely non-viable objectives attached.

 LunarSol wrote:
I expect it will be pretty immediately apparent that entire model types are non viable simply because their detachment that makes them good has completely non-viable objectives attached.

Lol, legit. That's definitely the area that I'm most worried about is the combo'ing of detachments and how it relates to objectives. Especially since this will also just go back to stratagem bloat that they were trying to move away from, unless you actively choose which stratagems to keep from the detachments you combine.

 LunarSol wrote:
Correct, but its still a huge bonus for Orks who really don't want to shoot and have an obvious advance and charge option to close that gap.

I don't think so. If a terrain piece is needed, it's literally just 2-3 extra inches over hiding a unit behind obscuring terrain today.


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 Afrodactyl wrote:
I'm actually quite concerned about the mixing of detachments and certain detachments getting certain objectives. My gut says it's going to be a min-maxy hellscape that doesn't work properly, encourages super toxic armies, or both. I'm really hoping I'm wrong.

I agree. I also wonder how stratagems are going to mix with that, so you don't end up with 20+ stratagems for your army again.

Something about objectives now being the footprint of terrain features is bothering me as well, but I'm not quite sure why just yet. Just feels icky.

I hope we do get a rule to replace our home objective with a fortification.

Oh, and there is this thing.

 Jidmah wrote:

Spoiler:

Oh, and there is this thing.

Yup. That makes sence. I have a theory about the rhytm and scenario of ork waves and releases. You know it everybody, I wrote it there every half a year or something. My last huess was that the next big think model wise will be either WALKERS or TANKS. So this fit and Beardragons lust for tanks confirm that this is a repevant strategy marketing wise.

And there is a second MekTomsugs law of new big releases - two phase arrive.
Phase 1: you release a brand new models and give them a gakky rules. People buy them because they are cool, but gakky rules makes the start slow, do not overload the production. In this phase, some other archetype have a cool rules.
Phase 2: after aprox. 1 year or more come the new wave of some another models and new rules makes the new models from Phase 1 strong.

So my guess now is:
New walkers as models with the gakky rules.
Cool rules for speedfreaks.

Cool rules for walkers next autumn or something

I know you love your tinfoil finkin' cap, but the theory that GW has the ability to predict how well a release sells based on its rules has been thoroughly disproven.
Everything else is just basic marketing.

From what I see it's a mek operated walker of roughly dread size, with rokkits, a high caliber rotating gun main gun and some zappy shenanigans. It also doesn't seem to have any close combat weapons and is rather fragile.
Essentially, it's a walking buggy.

Just with the buggies, I guess whether it's good or not heavily depends on how high caliber that guns is. If it's supa-shoota level, it's dead on arrival. If it's autocannon level, it might be worth looking at, especially considering that it's operated by a mek.

The trailer also shows a weird boy we haven't seen yet, which seems to be inspired by the weird boy from dawn of war 3, but is no the same. It casts both 'eadbanger and the warp vomit attack we had in previous editions. Maybe da jump going to join the KFF in legends?

Waaagh Walker may have a powerifeld too, if I’m interpreting the video visuals right.


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Beardedragon wrote:
I agree with Grimskul.

I really just want a looted tank, like from dawn of war 1 and 2. A good old: I will sit here, not really be useful in melee at all, and all my point cost has gone in to firepower and durbility" kind of unit.

A tank, for orks. Dont get me wrong i like the new models, including the new new ork walker thingie, but i STILL want a LOOTED TANK!

No need for Looted. Not when there’s Lungburstas, Gobsmashas, Spleenrippers, Bonebreakas etc.

Naah, you know the drill. If you have a nice theory, you can see it anywhere


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 Jidmah wrote:
I know you love your tinfoil finkin' cap, but the theory that GW has the ability to predict how well a release sells based on its rules has been thoroughly disproven.
Everything else is just basic marketing.

From what I see it's a mek operated walker of roughly dread size, with rokkits, a high caliber rotating gun main gun and some zappy shenanigans. It also doesn't seem to have any close combat weapons and is rather fragile.
Essentially, it's a walking buggy.

Just with the buggies, I guess whether it's good or not heavily depends on how high caliber that guns is. If it's supa-shoota level, it's dead on arrival. If it's autocannon level, it might be worth looking at, especially considering that it's operated by a mek.

The trailer also shows a weird boy we haven't seen yet, which seems to be inspired by the weird boy from dawn of war 3, but is no the same. It casts both 'eadbanger and the warp vomit attack we had in previous editions. Maybe da jump going to join the KFF in legends?

Essentialy walking scrapjet. I see more rokkits and bigger gun, so it will be like a 180p scrapjet just slower and more tankier but not tanky my guess.. something like Dorn to Russ but very much weaker

Might be 2-3 rokkits worth of shooting, usually GW models two or three rokkits onto a vehicle with per rokkit. While looking closely to count, one of those rokkits looks like a boom bomb though

I also very much like the name waaagh walker.

For clarity, I’m just calling it the Waaagh Walker. I don’t know its name, but let’s face it? Waaagh Walker is probably gonna stick!


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Also, if the pic works? Supporting evidence for it having a Power Field.

I no wonder if it might offer protectiness to nearby units?

Yup, that looks like a KFF to me. Good catch. From looking at the picture it also looks a lot bigger than I remembered. Might even be naut/kill rig sized.

I'm aware that you just made the name up, let's see if GW manages to top that - and what German abomination it will be translated into.

 Jidmah wrote:
Yup, that looks like a KFF to me. Good catch. From looking at the picture it also looks a lot bigger than I remembered. Might even be naut/kill rig sized.

I'm aware that you just made the name up, let's see if GW manages to top that - and what German abomination it will be translated into.

To be fair, the german buggy names were just as stupid as the english ones'.

True, but I bought the German datacards so my daughter can play - reading the names of the beastsnagga units causes me physical pain.

They've been trying to find a way to justify a points increase on boyz for a long time, I feel like free shootas is definitely going to be a monkey paw situation.

New nob for the new boyz kit. Not a fan, but tastes differ. I guess it's time for the second rebase.


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 TedNugent wrote:
They've been trying to find a way to justify a points increase on boyz for a long time, I feel like free shootas is definitely going to be a monkey paw situation.

Unless you buff them with a stratagem or a character, shootas are more or less worthless. I think they simply don't want dedicated shoota mobs anymore and consolidate the three existing kits into one with less sprues for business reasons.

The only thing an increase in points would change is whether you bring beastsnagga boyz, choppa/shoota boyz, both or neither.