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 Abanshee wrote:

The transport capacity on vehicles has also been raised, so now a tiny little metal box will spit out a horde of power armor and you're left wondering how the laws of physics haven't been broken yet.

Just to be clear, this was absolutely still the case prior to the recent capacity increase. Fitting 11 models inside a rhino is only mildly more silly than fitting 10 inside, and no one was ever pretending you could fit 10 guardians inside a wave serpent. The tanks have been understood to be on a slightly smaller scale than the infantry for a long time.

Also, Karol. Stop being silly.

Space Marines stack horizontally, everyone knows that.

Heck on the boards most of the "buildings" we move around are woefully tiny. Meanwhile in the space of 3 or 4 buildings (that are tiny garden sheds) we have super-long range artillery trading shots and close combat units charging each other.

40K was never "truescale" and has never tried to be. Indeed a lot of games are the same. Actual true-scale is often on the rarer side

I so much wish they'd release the good old Regiments in plastic: Valhalla, mordia, tallarn... And Steel legion!

Though can we all agree the most hyped release of all times were the sisters of battle after years and years of false release rumors every December or so? When they came out I loved it. Still didn't get around to actually buy some though but that's on schedule

I can't agree more. I went from an all metal Sisters Army to a larger all plastic, except Celestine, army since they were released. A result worth waiting for.

I just don't think about it. A couple people I know have tried to tell me about the lore and every time my eyes just glaze over.

I think orks and gobbos are dorky and cute and fun to paint, so I like their models. But the lore is/was clearly written by a bunch of geeky guys all writing for the rule of cool in a tone to best appeal to high school boys.

There's no depth, intrigue, or long term thought going into any of it. It's just a bunch of dudes sitting around going "and then my favorite did something even cooler!" one after another. And so it shows.

So instead I paint up my minis and imagine the world that they inhabit and do my very best to ignore the lore.

Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I've tried to play for about 6-8 years now, but between my depression, work, and generally lacking with people to play I have just held off and held off. I'm probably gonna finally make the jump into 10th with Black Templars. They have the best excuse for Primaris by and large, so that's why I chose them (Crusade-based force is gonna need a lot of recruits constantly pouring in). However, alternatively I can say they are a crusade that got cut off by the Great Rift and haven't received any Primaris recruits/reinforcements.


I think I'll try to build a small platoon or Demi-Company of them. Not sure yet, but I know that I wanna keep armor to a minimum (Vehicles look like there gonna be a pain to paint and make look well).


After that, I might look into some Heresy-era Fists or something to go with them. (I like the idea of Heresy-era forces existing in the modern setting. Like, Nassir Amit being the first Flesh Tearer or Zephon being the first Charnel Guard.)

 Abanshee wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I've tried to play for about 6-8 years now, but between my depression, work, and generally lacking with people to play I have just held off and held off. I'm probably gonna finally make the jump into 10th with Black Templars. They have the best excuse for Primaris by and large, so that's why I chose them (Crusade-based force is gonna need a lot of recruits constantly pouring in). However, alternatively I can say they are a crusade that got cut off by the Great Rift and haven't received any Primaris recruits/reinforcements.


I think I'll try to build a small platoon or Demi-Company of them. Not sure yet, but I know that I wanna keep armor to a minimum (Vehicles look like there gonna be a pain to paint and make look well).


After that, I might look into some Heresy-era Fists or something to go with them. (I like the idea of Heresy-era forces existing in the modern setting. Like, Nassir Amit being the first Flesh Tearer or Zephon being the first Charnel Guard.)

Oh, I was talking to makeitorky because I looked at his gallery images

But I was intend on asking you as well so glad you answered in advance! Finding players is really the hard part of the job. I don't know where you live but in french villages it's kinda hard, luckily my buddies are still hanging around there. There's a reason why my part of the country is part of what is known as "the empty diagonal".

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I play onepagerules GFF and AoFS at home and with a couple of friends. I've wanted to get into more group gaming but the price of rules and really the general culture at game stores and groups I've had to deal with as a woman has really turned me away. This isn't just 40k/AOS, it's turned me away from even DnD meetups.

The minis are really great though.

 Abanshee wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I've tried to play for about 6-8 years now, but between my depression, work, and generally lacking with people to play I have just held off and held off. I'm probably gonna finally make the jump into 10th with Black Templars. They have the best excuse for Primaris by and large, so that's why I chose them (Crusade-based force is gonna need a lot of recruits constantly pouring in). However, alternatively I can say they are a crusade that got cut off by the Great Rift and haven't received any Primaris recruits/reinforcements.


I think I'll try to build a small platoon or Demi-Company of them. Not sure yet, but I know that I wanna keep armor to a minimum (Vehicles look like there gonna be a pain to paint and make look well).


After that, I might look into some Heresy-era Fists or something to go with them. (I like the idea of Heresy-era forces existing in the modern setting. Like, Nassir Amit being the first Flesh Tearer or Zephon being the first Charnel Guard.)

Why play Space Marines though?

Hecaton wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I've tried to play for about 6-8 years now, but between my depression, work, and generally lacking with people to play I have just held off and held off. I'm probably gonna finally make the jump into 10th with Black Templars. They have the best excuse for Primaris by and large, so that's why I chose them (Crusade-based force is gonna need a lot of recruits constantly pouring in). However, alternatively I can say they are a crusade that got cut off by the Great Rift and haven't received any Primaris recruits/reinforcements.


I think I'll try to build a small platoon or Demi-Company of them. Not sure yet, but I know that I wanna keep armor to a minimum (Vehicles look like there gonna be a pain to paint and make look well).


After that, I might look into some Heresy-era Fists or something to go with them. (I like the idea of Heresy-era forces existing in the modern setting. Like, Nassir Amit being the first Flesh Tearer or Zephon being the first Charnel Guard.)

Why play Space Marines though?

Because they're models are cooler than everyone else's. Also, I love the Black Templars aesthetic, characters (Grimaldus especially), chapter culture, and battlefield tactics. Plus, it also helps the Emperor is my favorite character.

It was either them, Blood Angels, or White Scars, tbh.

 Abanshee wrote:


Because they're models are cooler than everyone else's. Also, I love the Black Templars aesthetic, characters (Grimaldus especially), chapter culture, and battlefield tactics. Plus, it also helps the Emperor is my favorite character.

It was either them, Blood Angels, or White Scars, tbh.

Ah, fair enough. If you vibe with Astartes, that's cool and I hope you have fun. The Sororitas aesthetic is fairly close to that too and they have a sane number of units.

 Overread wrote:
Heck on the boards most of the "buildings" we move around are woefully tiny. Meanwhile in the space of 3 or 4 buildings (that are tiny garden sheds) we have super-long range artillery trading shots and close combat units charging each other.

40K was never "truescale" and has never tried to be. Indeed a lot of games are the same. Actual true-scale is often on the rarer side

Completely agree. Truescale in gaming breaks down rapidly after a setting includes gunpowder and combustion engines, but 40k and epic for that matter have never much been bothered by it. 28mm gaming struggles with it on general. I have plenty of things I criticize 40k over but I’ll give them a pass there. Like, I do wish they’d pick a scale…

 makeitorky wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I play onepagerules GFF and AoFS at home and with a couple of friends. I've wanted to get into more group gaming but the price of rules and really the general culture at game stores and groups I've had to deal with as a woman has really turned me away. This isn't just 40k/AOS, it's turned me away from even DnD meetups.

The minis are really great though.

I don't know about those onepagerules. Have you got a link for that?

What's more, I'm not a woman myself but I pretty much understand what you mean, that kind of environment is what we call "une garçonnière", which would more or less translate "boy's den". With all the good and bad things it implies!

I'm an associal bastard so I don't even try to play in store because I can't seem to get out to play and prefer staying with my usual group of nerds.

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

 makeitorky wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I play onepagerules GFF and AoFS at home and with a couple of friends. I've wanted to get into more group gaming but the price of rules and really the general culture at game stores and groups I've had to deal with as a woman has really turned me away. This isn't just 40k/AOS, it's turned me away from even DnD meetups.

The minis are really great though.

I don't know about those onepagerules. Have you got a link for that?

What's more, I'm not a woman myself but I pretty much understand what you mean, that kind of environment is what we call "une garçonnière", which would more or less translate "boy's den". With all the good and bad things it implies!

I'm an associal bastard so I don't even try to play in store because I can't seem to get out to play and prefer staying with my usual group of nerds.

Sure do! https://www.onepagerules.com/ I hope you enjoy them if you give them a shot, and feel free to let me know what you think.

Yep! The english version here is "boy's club" and it really holds true with the good and bad things. I've been moving around a lot for work most my life so don't have a friend network to play with where I live, but I am working on that.

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

 makeitorky wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
Very nice minis though. Do you play the game despite this?

I play onepagerules GFF and AoFS at home and with a couple of friends. I've wanted to get into more group gaming but the price of rules and really the general culture at game stores and groups I've had to deal with as a woman has really turned me away. This isn't just 40k/AOS, it's turned me away from even DnD meetups.

The minis are really great though.

I don't know about those onepagerules. Have you got a link for that?

What's more, I'm not a woman myself but I pretty much understand what you mean, that kind of environment is what we call "une garçonnière", which would more or less translate "boy's den". With all the good and bad things it implies!

I'm an associal bastard so I don't even try to play in store because I can't seem to get out to play and prefer staying with my usual group of nerds.
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 Abanshee wrote:


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Wild. I'd avoid taking what you learned from one rpg session and applying it to the community as a whole.

 Abanshee wrote:
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Congratulations, you responded to TFG by becoming TFG.

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 Abanshee wrote:

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Uh huh. I'm sure you're not entirely biased here or anything. "If you smell gak everywhere, check the bottom of your shoe."

Hecaton wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

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Uh huh. I'm sure you're not entirely biased here or anything. "If you smell gak everywhere, check the bottom of your shoe."

Ah, yeah I should totally let donkey-caves walk all over me. Great advice!

 Abanshee wrote:


Ah, yeah I should totally let donkey-caves walk all over me. Great advice!

Right, and I've met some absolutely trash-tier BT players, but I try not to take that out on random people I don't know.

Hecaton wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:


Ah, yeah I should totally let donkey-caves walk all over me. Great advice!

Right, and I've met some absolutely trash-tier BT players, but I try not to take that out on random people I don't know.

If people were nicer that wouldn't be a problem, but they aren't. Most people are actually fairly awful once you truly consider them, top to bottom. I've tried being nice to them, but I don't know what it is about my area, but everyone and their dog plays
Guard, Chaos, and Marines. There aren't that many marine players around here and the chaos guys are there own little group like the guard guys. They are actually nice though. Even rando guard players are dicks or generally just cold people to be around. Removed.

Oh, well.

 Abanshee wrote:
Nah, just responding to losers accordingly. They deserve everything they get and I'm more than happy to provide.

So because one group of TFGs in your area played guard you think it's ok to be TFG to every guard player? WTF is wrong with you?

 ThePaintingOwl wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:
Nah, just responding to losers accordingly. They deserve everything they get and I'm more than happy to provide.

So because one group of TFGs in your area played guard you think it's ok to be TFG to every guard player? WTF is wrong with you?

Are you familiar with the social-psychology concept of the "cycle of violence"?

What the hack as happened in here?

@makeitorky thanks for the link!

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
What the hack as happened in here?

@makeitorky thanks for the link!

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reduced to atoms, the last vestiges of my faith in humanity.

Not online, you're from switzerland? Do you speak french? I know this has NOTHING to do with the topic though

Late to the discussion, but I keep from hating the lore by approaching it the way I've always approached all wargaming.

"Take what you want and leave the rest."

Most 40k fluff I generally like but I'm not a fan of the Primaris lore, so I don't think about it . Same with Leagues of Votaan. If a novel or particular batch of fluff is poorly written or seems incongruent with the RT-4thEd vibe that I prefer, I ignore it completely.

And it's the same with models and even rules. I abandoned 40k rules at least 5 editions ago and nearly all GW I buy is used, but my armies still see the table regularly via Grimdark Future. I've scooped up last edition codices cheaply to provide plenty of fluff and inspiration for our games.

Rules, fluff, and miniatures should serve the game experience you want, regardless of what any company says/sells/produces/writes.

Game your way.