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 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, GW just updated the core terminators (well, half of them) so it makes sense to focus on that side of the DA special units.

They're also squatting most of the First Born range (something so many said would never happen... ), including virtually all the bikes, leaving us with an option-less squad of 3 that are always in the same poses, an ATV, and a single character capable of leading them.

It'd be nice to get a little more, and much like Blood Angels are a good excuse to do new Primaris Vanguard, so to are Dark Angels a good excuse to do new (or a more complete kit of) Outriders.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, GW just updated the core terminators (well, half of them) so it makes sense to focus on that side of the DA special units.

They're also squatting most of the First Born range (something so many said would never happen... ), including virtually all the bikes, leaving us with an option-less squad of 3 that are always in the same poses, an ATV, and a single character capable of leading them.

It'd be nice to get a little more, and much like Blood Angels are a good excuse to do new Primaris Vanguard, so to are Dark Angels a good excuse to do new (or a more complete kit of) Outriders.

No argument, it would be a good time to redo bikes. But it’s also a good time for terminators. GW didn’t/couldn’t do both, flipped a coin and it came up deathwing. If it had come up the other way, we’d have a lost opportunity on the other side.

Assuming rumors are true, etc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
virtually all the bikes, leaving us with an option-less squad of 3 that are always in the same poses

Did the old bikes have lots of poses for the riders?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
virtually all the bikes, leaving us with an option-less squad of 3 that are always in the same poses

Did the old bikes have lots of poses for the riders?

The “new” primaris outriders are monopose.

The old firstborn bikes had the same waist join as the entire marine line, so there was quite a bit you could do to customize them.

Granted, that was mostly torso straight ahead, at least one hand on the controls, but with the range of parts that worked, still plenty of options.

Comparing Ravenwing knights to the outriders really reveals the travesty of lost options. It is such a great kit, with so many fun spare parts!
But next to the outriders they look a bit small :/

It will be interesting to see if servitors will be in the space marine codex. Because that model is used in Admech and guard armies as well, and currently unavailable (one servitor is available in the inquisition kill Team but that's basically sold out forever)

Brickfix wrote:
Comparing Ravenwing knights to the outriders really reveals the travesty of lost options. It is such a great kit, with so many fun spare parts!
But next to the outriders they look a bit small :/

It will be interesting to see if servitors will be in the space marine codex. Because that model is used in Admech and guard armies as well, and currently unavailable (one servitor is available in the inquisition kill Team but that's basically sold out forever)

Rumours said no.

Common sense says no, too.

It would be a pretty niche unit to put in plastic, probably doesn't have high sales projections, and runs pretty counter to the heroic heroes of the Imperium narrative that they want to push with marines.

They're more part of the logistics and supply part of the universe that GW largely doesn't want anywhere near the game proper.

Dollars to donuts that Servitors are gonna be the token release for AdMech, but available to Marines and Guard as well.

 Nevelon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, GW just updated the core terminators (well, half of them) so it makes sense to focus on that side of the DA special units.

They're also squatting most of the First Born range (something so many said would never happen... ), including virtually all the bikes, leaving us with an option-less squad of 3 that are always in the same poses, an ATV, and a single character capable of leading them.

It'd be nice to get a little more, and much like Blood Angels are a good excuse to do new Primaris Vanguard, so to are Dark Angels a good excuse to do new (or a more complete kit of) Outriders.

No argument, it would be a good time to redo bikes. But it’s also a good time for terminators. GW didn’t/couldn’t do both, flipped a coin and it came up deathwing. If it had come up the other way, we’d have a lost opportunity on the other side.

Assuming rumors are true, etc.

wonder oif that means we'll also get new wolf guard terminators with the space wolf 'dex. TBH I'd be fine if we didn't the Wolf guard terminator kit is fine.

BrianDavion wrote:
wonder oif that means we'll also get new wolf guard terminators with the space wolf 'dex. TBH I'd be fine if we didn't the Wolf guard terminator kit is fine.

It will be enlightening to see what they do with Dark Angels (since that's the first one up). Because the SM Codex is clearly pushing 'use whatever as whatever' Chapter-agnostic rules as the guiding force for detachments.

I suspect DA will get a 'terminator knights' kit (alongside a generic assault terminator kit) and SW (and maybe others) might get a new upgrade sprue.
Wolf boys might end up new wolfriders kit and primaris wolfmarines when their book comes around.

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
wonder oif that means we'll also get new wolf guard terminators with the space wolf 'dex. TBH I'd be fine if we didn't the Wolf guard terminator kit is fine.

It will be enlightening to see what they do with Dark Angels (since that's the first one up). Because the SM Codex is clearly pushing 'use whatever as whatever' Chapter-agnostic rules as the guiding force for detachments.

I suspect DA will get a 'terminator knights' kit (alongside a generic assault terminator kit) and SW (and maybe others) might get a new upgrade sprue.
Wolf boys might end up new wolfriders kit and primaris wolfmarines when their book comes around.

honestly, other then the small size of the marines the TWC kit is a pretty good one, I'd feel it's almost a waste to give space wolves a new TWC kit, I'd kinda like to see a faction specific intercessor kit for the "non codex chapters" this edition. with lots of differant heads torso's etc.

Dark Angels would be a good excuse to release the updated Assault Terminators and a primaris Bike Captain.

I'd kind of want an upgrade sprue to make DA/BA/SW/BT/DW Terminators.

That way you could have a Terminator Squad, and an Assault Terminator Squad, and then an accessory sprue that contains tons and tons of stuff to make them into Chapter-specific ones (so, shields/maces and a Plasma Cannon for DA, lots of wolf stuff and claws/more wolfy shields for the Woofs, and so on).

Save there needing to be 8 and a half different Terminator kits for a few units.

Then let Grey Knights get the proper new Terminator kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd kind of want an upgrade sprue to make DA/BA/SW/BT/DW Terminators.

That way you could have a Terminator Squad, and an Assault Terminator Squad, and then an accessory sprue that contains tons and tons of stuff to make them into Chapter-specific ones (so, shields/maces and a Plasma Cannon for DA, lots of wolf stuff and claws/more wolfy shields for the Woofs, and so on).

Save there needing to be 8 and a half different Terminator kits for a few units.

Then let Grey Knights get the proper new Terminator kit.

Proper upgrade kits like Black Templars got would be nice.

Voss wrote:
Common sense says no, too.

It would be a pretty niche unit to put in plastic, probably doesn't have high sales projections, and runs pretty counter to the heroic heroes of the Imperium narrative that they want to push with marines.

They're more part of the logistics and supply part of the universe that GW largely doesn't want anywhere near the game proper.

Ironically, I think a robust Servitor unit in plastic would be a huge seller, especially for Necromunda.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Ironically, I think a robust Servitor unit in plastic would be a huge seller, especially for Necromunda.

Necromunda, imperial guard, Admech, space Marines, inquisition ...
Another opportunity they couldn't miss, but missed anyway.

I like the Ork box rumor, lots of models I wanted to get.

The worst part is that the Servitor box doesn't even need to be a fully dedicated kit. It just needs the bodies, and weapons/gizmos could all be faction based on another sprue.

Brickfix wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Ironically, I think a robust Servitor unit in plastic would be a huge seller, especially for Necromunda.

Necromunda, imperial guard, Admech, space Marines, inquisition ...
Another opportunity they couldn't miss, but missed anyway.

Dont forget Heresy

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd kind of want an upgrade sprue to make DA/BA/SW/BT/DW Terminators.

DW terminator/gravis pads being 2 per sprue is my personal nemesis.

Potatocam leak apparently confirms the Imperial Guard box as described by Valrak

Is that 2 Rogal dorns in the box?!

Potatocam FTW!

Bodes well, then. Now to see how many firstborn GW asks for the boxes this year.


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 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Is that 2 Rogal dorns in the box?!

Yeah, see page one of the thread. Two Dorns, two Cadian squads, one command squad.

Now I really want to see the Marine one and confirm it's apparent 15 JP Intercessors.

 xttz wrote:


Potatocam leak apparently confirms the Imperial Guard box as described by Valrak

So, I'll just need one. Yay!

Quick update on the Space Marine box as the JP Intercessors turned out cheaper than I expected:

Space Marines:

Jump Pack Captain                            32.5€
15x Jump Pack Intercessors          3x 45€
Invader-ATV                                      40€
Outriders                                           50€
Total: 257.5€ -> 31% discount

31% seems a little low compared to the other boxes, adding a second ATV would increases the discount to 40% which is possible as Tyranids are also 40% but I think its likelier they will do different price points for the boxes with the SM one being 170€ instead of 180€. That way it would be 34% which seems pretty good. In the same way Tyranids could turn out to be 190€ instead which decreases the discount to 37% or it could only include 2x Hormagaunts and be another 170€ box for 31% off. 

At this point those changes just aren't big enough to really predict what is true so we can only wait until GW shows them off for real. Will do another round of discount calculations then.

So that is why i cant buy any.

 Matrindur wrote:
31% seems a little low compared to the other boxes...

Maybe it has 6 Outriders? Or a Biker Chaplain?

Be nice if the Guard box was just 3 tanks. Surely anyone who's remotely interested in guard has inf/command squads already as they were bundled with the codex.

Oh nevermind I asked and answered my own thought there

Billicus wrote:
Be nice if the Guard box was just 3 tanks. Surely anyone who's remotely interested in guard has inf/command squads already as they were bundled with the codex.

Oh nevermind I asked and answered my own thought there

Unless like me you've put off buying any of the new guard. A couple combat patrols and one of those battleforces will do me nicely, just add a few couple heavy weapons boxes and voilà. Classic force of 2x three squad platoons inc platoon comd squad and use the third as the Coy command. Backed up by some artillery and a couple tanks that look like the crew might actually fit in them.

To be fair, at the new and improved prices I could see a lot of people having room for extra infantry.

It's also better for people who bought one Dorn as the rule of three won't get in the way of using the whole box.

Honestly I'm surprised that GW doubled up on the tanks. I'd expect to see no more than one of such a large/heavy unit in a Christmas box. Maybe individual kit sales were underwhelming and now they're trying to entice people with a box they know has models that aren't all that widespread and people might bite because of that combined with the discount.