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Just came back from the usual Saturday shopping and checking Element...
"NEW RELEASE NOTICE
Dear customers. Unfortunately, the new Christmas box sets are very limited in quantity, and as such will not be available to order online. They will be available in store at our Stockport, Nottingham and Sheffield branches but in very limited quantities.
We apologise for any disappointment. Thank you for your understanding."
Lols thats a big fail right there.
I mean is well known that many if not most retailers make it or break it in the Xmas season...
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It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I just find it really sad that not one of the Christmas boxes will get into the presents pile of a child to get them started on the road of hobbying.
No Mums or Dads who aren't already GW collectors have a chance of buying these for their kids. All these boxes are, are cheaper deals for existing customers who know about GW's fomo and are lucky enough to buy one in the first 30 seconds of sales.
Limited Black Friday sale boxes, yes. Christmas Boxes, not at all.
Ah yes. Must be sign of these times 3 hours is same as 30 seconds.
These boxes aren't completely sold out for you UK folks.
Zatu still has stock of the Ossiarch, Soulblight, Seraphon, Slaves, Space Marine, Orks, and Militarum boxes.
If you can get on The Outpost site, it looks like they have everything except Votann, World Eaters, and Slaves.
If you get a membership for Imps gaming, they have a few copies left of everything except World Eaters - but you need the membership to see it and order it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and Mighty Lancer has 1 each of Soulblight and Ossiarch boxes
Automatically Appended Next Post: Kirton has Ossiarch, Soulblight, and Slaves
Automatically Appended Next Post: Castle Comics has everything except world eaters and the AoS boxes (or at least I couldnt find the AoS boxes)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alchemists Workshop looks like they still have Ossiarch and Soulblight.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Goblin Gaming still has soulblight
Automatically Appended Next Post: Magic Madhouse has Seraphon, Soulblight, Bonereapers, Space Marines, Guard, and Orks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: lvlupgaming has ossiarch, soulblight, space marines
Automatically Appended Next Post: hobby workshop has soublight and ossiarch
Automatically Appended Next Post: entoyment has ossiarch and soulblight
Automatically Appended Next Post: incom has space marines, guard, orks, slaves
Automatically Appended Next Post: wargamestore has everything except world eaters, nids, and leagues.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Oh wow, those are gone already? Hah! I was thinking about the Ork one, wondering if I could get it with even more off because I don't have any of the new stuff but the normal price is just ludicrous to me. This set with an additional 20% off would have been fairly palatable.
But I guess more fool me for thinking christmas boxes would come out in December? I don't keep up with GW's rumours to that extent. Ah well. Pile of shame didn't need any more in it anyway.
tabletop republic has marines, guard, nids, orks, ossiarch, soulblight, seraphon
Automatically Appended Next Post: justplaygames has guard, ossiarch, seraphon, slaves, maries, soulblight, orks
Automatically Appended Next Post: boards and swords has ossiarch, soublight, seraphon
Automatically Appended Next Post: athena games has seraphon, slaves, soulblight
Automatically Appended Next Post: the games bunker has orks, marines, guard, and all 4 aos boxes
Automatically Appended Next Post: firestorm has ossiarch and soulblight
Automatically Appended Next Post: narthex doesnt look like they ever put their preorders up - either they arent getting any, are in-store only, or they will post them when they actually receive stock in hand is my guess.
Automatically Appended Next Post: marionville models has space marines and guard as well as all 4 aos boxes
This message was edited 7 times. Last update was at 2023/11/11 14:24:12
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
And if they had produced more then even more kits would be out of stock. And new releases like necron/admech would sell out even faster.
Funny thing is gw is actually losing potential money with these as they could just produce more full price kits and sell out those at once.
I mean this in the nicest way I can, but let's not pretend that just because an online storefront for a brick & mortar can't get stocked means that they're "understocked".
gamingfigures.com has an unbelievably awful to navigate site - i can confirm they have guard, marines, and orks, couldnt find any of the others (world eaters is sold out), but didnt really search.
Now that I can get on the outpost, they have nids, ossiarch, soulblight, marines, seraphon, and guard.
And that, my dear friends, is the extent of my ability to sus out stock for you. Hope this helps some of you in the UK/EU.
Sorry American friends, you're on your own, not going to reveal my secrets to you Best of luck, may the odds be ever in your favor.
EDIT - I hate to suggest this actually, but im seeing some US sites with active preorders for the Red Angel box... since my fellow americans are apparently at sleep of the wheel, you can try to see if you can order from the US. Technically its not allowed by GW trade policy, but being in tight with a few indy retail owners, it doesnt seem like anyone on this side of the pond actually bothers with the region restriction on their product (unlike your uk based sellers )
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/11/11 14:35:52
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
And if they had produced more then even more kits would be out of stock. And new releases like necron/admech would sell out even faster.
Funny thing is gw is actually losing potential money with these as they could just produce more full price kits and sell out those at once.
You fail to understand Christmas dynamics and how it affects customers shopping habits. You sell the exact same thing but with a Christmas packaging and it will sell out fast. Thats how it works. In this case yes GW is losing money not because they are giving a discount but because they are not making a whatever GW Christmas basket available.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
That is certainly a take. The tabletop games retailer with well over 100 UK high street stores needs to save our ailing town centres. They can do this by sending more stock from their own high street stores to much smaller retailers who often trade from town outskirts or industrial estates.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
That is certainly a take. The tabletop games retailer with well over 100 UK high street stores needs to save our ailing town centres. They can do this by sending more stock from their own high street stores to much smaller retailers who often trade from town outskirts or industrial estates.
You will not lol when GW will be the only option to go to... then theres nothing stopping GW from moving away from towncenters.
Undermining the retailers that rely on you during Christmas is not cool. Not having a Christmas basket besides a goblin is silly.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
And if they had produced more then even more kits would be out of stock. And new releases like necron/admech would sell out even faster.
Funny thing is gw is actually losing potential money with these as they could just produce more full price kits and sell out those at once.
You fail to understand Christmas dynamics and how it affects customers shopping habits. You sell the exact same thing but with a Christmas packaging and it will sell out fast. Thats how it works. In this case yes GW is losing money not because they are giving a discount but because they are not making a whatever GW Christmas basket available.
And you fail to see whatever amount they produce here is away from others. Gw is producing at full capacity and can't meet demand.
As is they could drop all discount boxes and up the prices and still be unable to meet demand...
Every sprue they sell at discount is sprue they can't sell at full price.
Gw can't just snap finger and 100x box count. They have to produce less of boxes that would sell out instantly even without discount.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
That is certainly a take. The tabletop games retailer with well over 100 UK high street stores needs to save our ailing town centres. They can do this by sending more stock from their own high street stores to much smaller retailers who often trade from town outskirts or industrial estates.
You will not lol when GW will be the only option to go to... then theres nothing stopping GW from moving away from towncenters.
Undermining the retailers that rely on you during Christmas is not cool. Not having a Christmas basket besides a goblin is silly.
I'd just like to point out that for as much as wargame stuff costs - the markup and profits are tiny compared to card games. Many 3rd party stores are WAY more reliant on the income from MTG, Pokemon and Yugio make than Wargames. If anything you want to complain about go rant that MTG is being managed into the ground for short term insane profit drives which might well burn its market out. Which would cause way more harm than GW discount boxes selling out before christmas thus forcing people to buy regular retail boxes of GW models from their local store for Christmas.
Heck don't forget when Indomitus came out some 3rd party stores sold it at warehouse prices just to get rid of them so that they could buy in more fast selling profitable items. Modern stores don't want long-shelf-life products. Even though that Indomitus would have sold eventually; those stores are on such tight margins that its worth warehouse selling just to release that money to put into faster selling stuff. Another big reason MTG and other card games are way more profit generating.
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Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
And if they had produced more then even more kits would be out of stock. And new releases like necron/admech would sell out even faster.
Funny thing is gw is actually losing potential money with these as they could just produce more full price kits and sell out those at once.
You fail to understand Christmas dynamics and how it affects customers shopping habits. You sell the exact same thing but with a Christmas packaging and it will sell out fast. Thats how it works. In this case yes GW is losing money not because they are giving a discount but because they are not making a whatever GW Christmas basket available.
And you fail to see whatever amount they produce here is away from others. Gw is producing at full capacity and can't meet demand.
As is they could drop all discount boxes and up the prices and still be unable to meet demand...
Every sprue they sell at discount is sprue they can't sell at full price.
Gw can't just snap finger and 100x box count. They have to produce less of boxes that would sell out instantly even without discount.
As is gw isn't even maximising profit.
Thats your assumption, looking at today GW online store most? products are not outofstock and are available.
That is certainly a take. The tabletop games retailer with well over 100 UK high street stores needs to save our ailing town centres. They can do this by sending more stock from their own high street stores to much smaller retailers who often trade from town outskirts or industrial estates.
Do GW stores in the UK actually get stocked with these boxes? Here in the US, as far as I've been able to tell, they don't. The exception seems to be the big, big spots labeled as Citadels/Battle Bunkers.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
So yeah I do LOL at GWBS marketing on these Christmas deals. It only caused frustration with the clients and the retailers that support them.
And if they had produced more then even more kits would be out of stock. And new releases like necron/admech would sell out even faster.
Funny thing is gw is actually losing potential money with these as they could just produce more full price kits and sell out those at once.
You fail to understand Christmas dynamics and how it affects customers shopping habits. You sell the exact same thing but with a Christmas packaging and it will sell out fast. Thats how it works. In this case yes GW is losing money not because they are giving a discount but because they are not making a whatever GW Christmas basket available.
And you fail to see whatever amount they produce here is away from others. Gw is producing at full capacity and can't meet demand.
As is they could drop all discount boxes and up the prices and still be unable to meet demand...
Every sprue they sell at discount is sprue they can't sell at full price.
Gw can't just snap finger and 100x box count. They have to produce less of boxes that would sell out instantly even without discount.
As is gw isn't even maximising profit.
Thats your assumption, looking at today GW online store most? products are not outofstock and are available.
I was in WHW in August and the shelves were practically empty, both in the main store and FW. They've had a lot of stuff OOS for the last few months.
Overread wrote: It's only a fail if they don't have the footfall to sell them. One would assume they've been around enough to know their general footfall over the Xmas period and their general in-person customer turnover over this period. If they only have enough boxes to fill that demand then it makes perfect sense for them to focus on their in-person shoppers over their online shoppers. Afterall the online are fickle whilst the in person are their loyal customers. Keeping those most loyal happy is best for them.
Its a fail because GW has not send/probably produced? enough units for retailers so that they could have a bit of help making up their Christmas baskets.
Retail needs all the help they can get this Christmas so they can keep up with whats coming next year.
But no, they do not even get the freaking Christmas bundle in enough numbers...
For a reason we see empty UK town centers and with more and more stores closing.
That is certainly a take. The tabletop games retailer with well over 100 UK high street stores needs to save our ailing town centres. They can do this by sending more stock from their own high street stores to much smaller retailers who often trade from town outskirts or industrial estates.
You will not lol when GW will be the only option to go to... then theres nothing stopping GW from moving away from towncenters.
Undermining the retailers that rely on you during Christmas is not cool. Not having a Christmas basket besides a goblin is silly.
I'd just like to point out that for as much as wargame stuff costs - the markup and profits are tiny compared to card games. Many 3rd party stores are WAY more reliant on the income from MTG, Pokemon and Yugio make than Wargames. If anything you want to complain about go rant that MTG is being managed into the ground for short term insane profit drives which might well burn its market out. Which would cause way more harm than GW discount boxes selling out before christmas thus forcing people to buy regular retail boxes of GW models from their local store for Christmas.
Heck don't forget when Indomitus came out some 3rd party stores sold it at warehouse prices just to get rid of them so that they could buy in more fast selling profitable items. Modern stores don't want long-shelf-life products. Even thought that Indomitus would have sold eventually; those stores are on such tight margins that it's worth warehouse selling just to release that money to put into faster selling stuff. Another big reason MTG and other card games are way more profit generating.
I do not follow MTG/pokemon in any way shape or form so I trust your word for it. But then again I see same typical behaviours from what you say... monopolistic companies making it harder and harder for smaller companies to survive in the long term to an unprecedented level in the current economical environment.
It's not me ranting its me LOLing how bad GW Marketing on all this has been, making a very bitter Christmas even for their partners ( I know I know its not partners for GW its parasites right?).
Who cares shareholders are happy.
It's an odd way of doing things to be immediately out of stock in less than two hours when there's plenty of people who could pay them more money to buy things.
Olthannon wrote: It's an odd way of doing things to be immediately out of stock in less than two hours when there's plenty of people who could pay them more money to buy things.
But then they risk the situation like the Marine boxes from last year that are still lingering on shelves in FLGS.
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Here in Canada I was able to grab a Votann box from an off-province shop as they were released at midnight, but the Nids box was the first one to be sold out there in the first 5 minutes so I missed it there. Now this morning, all are sold out but the Votann (and all AOS still availble).
But my flgs had some Nids box so I got it from there. And it still have 5 or more of each available this morning.
Fantasy armies - Retired (Tomb Kings, Vampires, Empire, Chaos Warriors/Daemons, Dark Elves)
Tyranids army - Ever evolving, but about 10k pts
Custodes - 3,500pts (Fully painted yay!)
Thousand Sons - 4,000 pts
Eldar - 3,000pts
Well, I got my 20 boxes after all. Was able to sell enough old junk over the past couple weeks to afford it. Thats 1 world Eaters box, 3 nids boxes, 2 of everything else
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Best of luck, may the odds be ever in your favor.
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