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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fun fact: that gets put up because it's when the last bracket of North American preorders goes up.

Go explain that to the rest of the world that was looking into getting these but are bumped into frustration yet again.

I shouldn't have to, because it's been like this for years now?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fun fact: that gets put up because it's when the last bracket of North American preorders goes up.

Go explain that to the rest of the world that was looking into getting these but are bumped into frustration yet again.

I shouldn't have to, because it's been like this for years now?

Sure thats why still deals from last year around (according to a previous poster) right? And thats why I got a box of previous years Christmas deal in the following summer... sure.

My regular discounter ran a poll before they could put orders in to see how many they'd need of every set. Had hoped to score a Cadian box, but those were sold out in no time at all, they may be getting more of them next week, but not holding my breath.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Imperial Games indicates Nids, Votann, and World Eaters are available to preorder in-store, everything else is showing available online.

It does seem like those three are the "big ticket" items.

Ossiarchs and Vamps are still on Kutami.de for EU peeps

Can't say I'm surprised that the boxes that include kits that have been out of stock for months are the ones that sold out.

Also not surprised that Sagitaurs and Eightbound are still sold out individually, with likely little chance of a restock this year.

 Olthannon wrote:
It's an odd way of doing things to be immediately out of stock in less than two hours when there's plenty of people who could pay them more money to buy things.

There's even more people willing to buy full price kits that are chronically sold out.

Hell every tyranid player that started with leviathan are still waiting chance to buy quite a few nid kits.

Gw can't just snap fingers and 100000 sprues show up. It's zero-sum production. Sprue you produce for box a is sprue less of product b.

tneva82 wrote:
Gw can't just snap fingers and 100000 sprues show up.

As usual with your posts, no one is making that argument.

tneva82 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I just find it really sad that not one of the Christmas boxes will get into the presents pile of a child to get them started on the road of hobbying.
No Mums or Dads who aren't already GW collectors have a chance of buying these for their kids. All these boxes are, are cheaper deals for existing customers who know about GW's fomo and are lucky enough to buy one in the first 30 seconds of sales.
Limited Black Friday sale boxes, yes. Christmas Boxes, not at all.

Ah yes. Must be sign of these times 3 hours is same as 30 seconds.

Functionally 3 hours is the same as 30 seconds for Mums and Dads who aren't refreshing the webshop the morning preorders go up.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I just find it really sad that not one of the Christmas boxes will get into the presents pile of a child to get them started on the road of hobbying.
No Mums or Dads who aren't already GW collectors have a chance of buying these for their kids. All these boxes are, are cheaper deals for existing customers who know about GW's fomo and are lucky enough to buy one in the first 30 seconds of sales.
Limited Black Friday sale boxes, yes. Christmas Boxes, not at all.

Ah yes. Must be sign of these times 3 hours is same as 30 seconds.

Functionally 3 hours is the same as 30 seconds for Mums and Dads who aren't refreshing the webshop the morning preorders go up.

Yep, those 3 hours window on a Saturday morning on the 11th of November will not cut it even for collectors. Reading comments all over the net from the "GW collectors" plenty of complaining about that too.
For people outside the GW bubble they will not even know these happened.
They can go buy a Xmas goblin.
Bonkers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Gw can't just snap fingers and 100000 sprues show up.

As usual with your posts, no one is making that argument.

Except fundamentally they are - they are arguing they should have produced more to meet demand, is that 100000 sprues or not I don't know, but the point is basically true.

You cannot simply meet demand if you cannot produce enough, if you production capacity is already taken you have to sacrifice something else, and then the same argument will be made later - that they didn't produce enough of tomorrows product because they over produced today's product (or produce more of it).

So, from where I sit, argument appears to be they should have produced more sprues and they should have 'snapped' their finger to make it happen as if by magic.

If that isn't true what do you think the argument is that is being made?

puree wrote:

Except fundamentally they are - they are arguing they should have produced more to meet demand, is that 100000 sprues or not I don't know, but the point is basically true.

They chose to create the demand tho, they could have simply not done xmas boxes, and not done Heresy, and Cursed City, and any number of other things they "can't" keep up supply for but choose to hype and create demand. Anyone thinking this isn't all pure FOMO psyop, intentional conditioning of our purchasing habits, is... well, is the successful final product of the psyop.

puree wrote:
If that isn't true what do you think the argument is that is being made?

That GW have been making these boxes for fething years now, and should be aware of the demand, anticipate the demand, prepare for the demand and not end up in this situation every. Single. Time.

That's not snapping their fingers. That's called showing some basic level of forethought.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
pure FOMO psyop, intentional conditioning of our purchasing habits, is... well, is the successful final product of the psyop.

Luckily if you put your tinfoil hat back on they won't be able to mind control you like that!

Removed - could you not?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

puree wrote:
If that isn't true what do you think the argument is that is being made?

That GW have been making these boxes for fething years now, and should be aware of the demand, anticipate the demand, prepare for the demand and not end up in this situation every. Single. Time.

That's not snapping their fingers. That's called showing some basic level of forethought.

GW is a model company and not a statisic company
It is impossible to keep perfect track of previous sales and calculate the demand for the next year
So not their fault that those sell out every year quickly

/S

PS: and if a regular non-scalping uswe can get 20, I am sure everyone who wanted one got one /s

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

puree wrote:
If that isn't true what do you think the argument is that is being made?

That GW have been making these boxes for fething years now, and should be aware of the demand, anticipate the demand, prepare for the demand and not end up in this situation every. Single. Time.

That's not snapping their fingers. That's called showing some basic level of forethought.

Or its basic tradeoffs. If they are making more sprues for Christmas box X, that is less machine time to make sprues for new release Y and restock of Z. And as long as they make a certain amount of profit off the Christmas boxes, it was a success, even if they could have made more boxes.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mod edit - removed.

Dear God that's an awful take, I don't imagine GW would be telling factory workers they'll get fired if they try to stay safe in hurricanes or whatever it was, or firing large chunks of staff just for a little ego boost. Or pretending 1 megalomaniac whith daddy's money ruining people livelihoods is the same as a corporate entity made up of a board of people who didn't make enough toys at a discount.

I'm pissed they short changed a lot of people in stock, I'm annoyed a lot of 3rd parry sellers in the UK pulled shenanigans with their discounts on them and that some cretins will be trying to scalp and capitalise on OOS kit prices (which are likely OOS to fulfil production of said discount boxes). But they're hardly at a musk level of societal damage.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mod edit - removed.

Imagine thinking that was a defense of GW and rather than just mocking a post filled with crazy conspiracy theorist language. A post that was then doubled-down on with another unhinged take.

In a shocking twist, it is possible for me to be simultaneously frustrated at GW over not getting a battleforce and also laugh at wierd online nonsense. The duality of man!

I just don't get why we need to have this same conversation every year. Same thing always happens, why expect it to be different?

I also don't get the rage. I provided yall like 20 sources for the battleforces that you could order from, there were options available to get everything but the world Eaters one - if that's the one you wanted then I guess yeah you're SOL, but any of the other factions were available hours after sales went live. Some are even still available today just taking a cursory glance at some of the sites I listed.

GW now what they are doing, it's simple market economics. Produce a certain number of discounted feeder boxes that sellout, customers are then forced to buy the individual items from said boxes at full price. Yes, they may lose a few customers initially but overall, they'll end up making more profit at the end of the year.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I just don't get why we need to have this same conversation every year. Same thing always happens, why expect it to be different?

It's not the same every year though. It's the same as some other GW releases in the past year, but these went quicker than last year's boxes, and I think in 2021 there we no availability issues at all.
I agree it's not a big deal and not worth getting angry about, but it's also not the exact same thing every year, availability is getting worse and worse and it's interesting to discuss why.

My experience is that last years boxes went quicker than this years boxes (maybe the world eaters box notwithstanding which seems to have evaporated faster than anyone anticipated - I will say that that is most likely largely due to scalpers as I was monitoring inventory levels on a variety of sites through various means over the course of the day, and saw large chunks of both this box and the nids box being removed from inventory 10 at a time, even while other boxes were only going in 1s and 2s), and same with the 2020 boxes.

Last year I was trying to hunt down copies of some boxes weeks after release still because my locals got stiffed in their allocations and they only had limited availability through various online sources. The year before that, everything flew off the shelves around here on released day with the exception of only the ork battleforce and a couple of the AoS boxes. This year, again, I'm still seeing inventory of everything except the "big three" boxes available across the board.

I think last year people were exceptionally starved for Xmas boxes because they were sooo utterly incomprehensibly bad the year before?

deano2099 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I just don't get why we need to have this same conversation every year. Same thing always happens, why expect it to be different?

It's not the same every year though. It's the same as some other GW releases in the past year, but these went quicker than last year's boxes, and I think in 2021 there we no availability issues at all.
I agree it's not a big deal and not worth getting angry about, but it's also not the exact same thing every year, availability is getting worse and worse and it's interesting to discuss why.

Is availability getting worse, or did people buy the boxes quicker this time because a lot of previous ones were terrible?

This is the first time I've even attempted to buy one and they've covered factions I collect several times.

AFAIK ( talking to retailers) general GW sales are up this year.

GW however seem to not increase production to meet the demand ( hard to judge if they increased it or not... we simply have no knowledge of GW production numbers).

This is wild speculation, but my guess is that after all the warehouse trouble someone decided they would rather report being sold out than overstock/write-offs.

CoALabaer wrote:
AFAIK ( talking to retailers) general GW sales are up this year.

GW however seem to not increase production to meet the demand ( hard to judge if they increased it or not... we simply have no knowledge of GW production numbers).

This is wild speculation, but my guess is that after all the warehouse trouble someone decided they would rather report being sold out than overstock/write-offs.

Yeah, availability is controlled by GW we dont get to see how many units they allocate for a specific set.

What we do know is that GW never released as much new product per week and months as they do now. The Production has increased immensely, just look at the amount of kits and new games they release every week... full armies in a couple weeks and so on.

I picked up last years' Sylvaneth box last week. Got the Kruelboyz one sometime in summer. Plenty of the boxes from last year were available well into this year which is also not the objective GW are trying to hit.
The reality is they overproduced some and underproduced others last year. May well be the same this year too but the notion that these sets always sell out in an hour isn't right. The most popular ones tend to but plenty of others don't.

deano2099 wrote:
The reality is they overproduced some and underproduced others last year. May well be the same this year too but the notion that these sets always sell out in an hour isn't right. The most popular ones tend to but plenty of others don't.

It is quite interesting that despite having access to sales numbers of all individual kits, they're so staggeringly bad at predicting which unit people like/need that even at 35% bundle discount it's a coin toss if a box will sell or not.

So it was a…..Kruel summer?

I’ll see myself out.