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Interesting boxes - some are quite generic and would easily work in multiples; whilst others are very clearly intended to be one-per-customer as they include named character models.

Nice place to start a new army from or expand a recently started one!

Ah now I see where the Drukhari production money went, Space Marine head swaps.

 NAVARRO wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
More boxes that will already be sold out the minute they go live for preorder.

Genuine question here, how do you guys manage to get hold of these boxes?

Wait, I thought British customers were a shoo-in for getting GW stuff first.

No, they hate us just as much.

My local shop usually has a few of these sitting around for a while after each release. Some go faster than others, but I think I could just wander down there and pick one up on release week.

The Tau box looks cool, but I wonder what the price on these will be. Crisis Suits are ridiculous to buy outside of discount sets but they might be eating up a lot of the discount here.

Pointswise some of these 40k forces are dogwater.

Emperor's Children 705
Votann 535
Tyranids 750
Tau 495(!)
Space Marines 740
Chaos Space Marines 810
Krieg 460(!!!)

Funny enough I've been trying to sell nearly the exact contents of the Sylvaneth box for a while now. Tempted by the Troggs even though I don't really like or play AoS. I've just got a Gitz army I break out when people want me to play they'd provide me a good alternative for.

The marine one tempts me, but not enough.

I need at least one more dread for my company, 2 would be better. So those guys are good. I’m not opposed to the head sprue, as I was thinking of getting that anyway.

Command squad would be cool, but Ultras are getting Victix guard. More sternguard are not a bad thing, but I’ve got 20 old and 10 new already.

I already have too many hellblasters.

Unless the price point is real good. Which I doubt.

The CSM one would be weirdly perfect for me. I've also got shadowspear and vengeance warband, and if you put it all together it's a pretty fun list that fits neatly in 2k.

Shame the greater possessed got squatted IMMEDIATELY though.

 cole1114 wrote:
Pointswise some of these 40k forces are dogwater.

Emperor's Children 705
Votann 535
Tyranids 750
Tau 495(!)
Space Marines 740
Chaos Space Marines 810
Krieg 460(!!!)

You say that's a negative on Krieg but I see that as a "ok so two would be great" bonus on them. It just means they are a swarmy army as opposed to say the Tyranids which is basically all big huge mega monsters.

At least 3 of the nid bugs are duel build kits. The SK and Nurotyrant are fixed, but the others you can flex.

Will be fun to see the price tag on 7 models, especially considering 2 of them are just little floaty marker tokens.

Grumble. The 7th year with no Craftworld army box.

I was hoping for a nice bundle of the newer aspect warriors.

 Overread wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Pointswise some of these 40k forces are dogwater.

Emperor's Children 705
Votann 535
Tyranids 750
Tau 495(!)
Space Marines 740
Chaos Space Marines 810
Krieg 460(!!!)

You say that's a negative on Krieg but I see that as a "ok so two would be great" bonus on them. It just means they are a swarmy army as opposed to say the Tyranids which is basically all big huge mega monsters.

The problem is more price to points than anything. Five hundredish bucks for less than a thousand points if you buy two?

Competitively it's very strong, the winner of LVO used 185 infantry including 60 krieg, 20 cavalry and a single scout walker.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Pointswise some of these 40k forces are dogwater.

Emperor's Children 705
Votann 535
Tyranids 750
Tau 495(!)
Space Marines 740
Chaos Space Marines 810
Krieg 460(!!!)

You say that's a negative on Krieg but I see that as a "ok so two would be great" bonus on them. It just means they are a swarmy army as opposed to say the Tyranids which is basically all big huge mega monsters.

The problem is more price to points than anything. Five hundredish bucks for less than a thousand points if you buy two?

Thing is that's always been the way with swarm armies. Same for Tyranids running loads of gaunts.
Even AoS had the same issue in the 2.0 edition; since then they've pulled army numbers back a lot which I suspect is in part due to burnout on new customers so they are growing.

Old World is better right now, but in part that might just be the powre of nostalgia and the fact some of the kits are super super old

Lot of those look like practice heads.

It was a close run thing there - Marines almost went a whole week without a new release!

 cole1114 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Pointswise some of these 40k forces are dogwater.

Emperor's Children 705
Votann 535
Tyranids 750
Tau 495(!)
Space Marines 740
Chaos Space Marines 810
Krieg 460(!!!)

You say that's a negative on Krieg but I see that as a "ok so two would be great" bonus on them. It just means they are a swarmy army as opposed to say the Tyranids which is basically all big huge mega monsters.

The problem is more price to points than anything. Five hundredish bucks for less than a thousand points if you buy two?

Competitively it's very strong, the winner of LVO used 185 infantry including 60 krieg, 20 cavalry and a single scout walker.

I bang this drum regularly. Points need to go up across the board. I don't care if it's a general raise, or they buff them in tandem, but point cuts aren’t sustainable and are going down a progressively darker path. The worst part is based on some community engagement the majority of the vocal online crowd like having more stuff on the table, they just seem to think it should cost less to get there which is baffling.

Dudeface wrote:


I bang this drum regularly. Points need to go up across the board. I don't care if it's a general raise, or they buff them in tandem, but point cuts aren’t sustainable and are going down a progressively darker path. The worst part is based on some community engagement the majority of the vocal online crowd like having more stuff on the table, they just seem to think it should cost less to get there which is baffling.

Go back 10+ years and I'd probably agree with you; however today we've got Killteam and Combat Patrol which both run on much smaller model counts. Let the points and army size be as they are; most 40K armies are pretty diverse today and I'd rather have 2K armies that are able to field a large variety of models rather than smaller army sizes and having a lot more models just left sitting on the shelf.


As for "cost less to get there" that's just your standard "everything is expensive I want it cheaper" which often rings hollow online cause most of those crying that battlecry also tend to have a huge unbuilt "pile of shame/potential".
In the end we'd all love things to cost less

Incursion is honestly my preferred way to play and GW has improved it significantly over this edition.

The Votann one would be perfect for me as it's all the stuff I don't have (barring Thunderkyn, but can always use more). Sadly I doubt I'll have the budget to cover it when they release. Maybe if these are Christmas boxes they'll have a bit more stock?

It's always highly variable and there will be those which sell out faster than others.

Plus there's typically a bigger online-physical store divide.


Votan strike me as popular but not sell-out popular so it "might" last a bit longer in the market

We have had christmas battleforces last the whole year, but its rare and these days they often sell out fairly fast.

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


I bang this drum regularly. Points need to go up across the board. I don't care if it's a general raise, or they buff them in tandem, but point cuts aren’t sustainable and are going down a progressively darker path. The worst part is based on some community engagement the majority of the vocal online crowd like having more stuff on the table, they just seem to think it should cost less to get there which is baffling.

Go back 10+ years and I'd probably agree with you; however today we've got Killteam and Combat Patrol which both run on much smaller model counts. Let the points and army size be as they are; most 40K armies are pretty diverse today and I'd rather have 2K armies that are able to field a large variety of models rather than smaller army sizes and having a lot more models just left sitting on the shelf.


As for "cost less to get there" that's just your standard "everything is expensive I want it cheaper" which often rings hollow online cause most of those crying that battlecry also tend to have a huge unbuilt "pile of shame/potential".
In the end we'd all love things to cost less

Combat patrol isn't really fit for purpose imo and kill team is a totally different game system. I wouldn't accept someone telling me to play Underworld to play AoS for example, nor should go play kill team be an acceptable response to 40k going through heavy shrinkflation.

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


I bang this drum regularly. Points need to go up across the board. I don't care if it's a general raise, or they buff them in tandem, but point cuts aren’t sustainable and are going down a progressively darker path. The worst part is based on some community engagement the majority of the vocal online crowd like having more stuff on the table, they just seem to think it should cost less to get there which is baffling.

Go back 10+ years and I'd probably agree with you; however today we've got Killteam and Combat Patrol which both run on much smaller model counts. Let the points and army size be as they are; most 40K armies are pretty diverse today and I'd rather have 2K armies that are able to field a large variety of models rather than smaller army sizes and having a lot more models just left sitting on the shelf.


As for "cost less to get there" that's just your standard "everything is expensive I want it cheaper" which often rings hollow online cause most of those crying that battlecry also tend to have a huge unbuilt "pile of shame/potential".
In the end we'd all love things to cost less

Combat patrol isn't really fit for purpose imo and kill team is a totally different game system. I wouldn't accept someone telling me to play Underworld to play AoS for example, nor should go play kill team be an acceptable response to 40k going through heavy shrinkflation.

I think we can simultaneously agree that GW products are annoyingly expensive, and that they're doing a decent job of providing smaller-scale games to at least get your foot into the hobby.

Definitely agree that Kill Team/Underworlds/War Cry aren't the same as their full-fledged counterparts. Though, honestly, I feel like some of them are better designed than the big ones.

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


I bang this drum regularly. Points need to go up across the board. I don't care if it's a general raise, or they buff them in tandem, but point cuts aren’t sustainable and are going down a progressively darker path. The worst part is based on some community engagement the majority of the vocal online crowd like having more stuff on the table, they just seem to think it should cost less to get there which is baffling.

Go back 10+ years and I'd probably agree with you; however today we've got Killteam and Combat Patrol which both run on much smaller model counts. Let the points and army size be as they are; most 40K armies are pretty diverse today and I'd rather have 2K armies that are able to field a large variety of models rather than smaller army sizes and having a lot more models just left sitting on the shelf.


As for "cost less to get there" that's just your standard "everything is expensive I want it cheaper" which often rings hollow online cause most of those crying that battlecry also tend to have a huge unbuilt "pile of shame/potential".
In the end we'd all love things to cost less

Combat patrol isn't really fit for purpose imo and kill team is a totally different game system. I wouldn't accept someone telling me to play Underworld to play AoS for example, nor should go play kill team be an acceptable response to 40k going through heavy shrinkflation.

They aren't the same and that's kind of the point - if you want smaller games there's specific game formats for smaller matches.
This means the core game can get away being bigger armies because anyone new or with less funds/time/whatever can play in the smaller game formats which are decently supported in most places.

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Combat patrol isn't really fit for purpose imo and kill team is a totally different game system. I wouldn't accept someone telling me to play Underworld to play AoS for example, nor should go play kill team be an acceptable response to 40k going through heavy shrinkflation.

They aren't the same and that's kind of the point - if you want smaller games there's specific game formats for smaller matches.
This means the core game can get away being bigger armies because anyone new or with less funds/time/whatever can play in the smaller game formats which are decently supported in most places.

If you want to use specific, fixed combat patrols, sure.

And I will repeat, if you want smaller but still core 40k, play the Incursion game mode.

The DKoK force looks actually pretty good. Could be used as Militia in HH as well (shave up the aquila if you're that puritan). I'd guess it's the first box that will be bought out - it has none of the disadvantages the others may have.

And at under 500 points total you could easily get two and field every model.

Dang, I hope I can get my hands on the emperors children box, I don’t want to be stuck refreshing the page just to order them as a gift.

Two of my FLGSs still have some of the AoS Christmas boxes from previous years on their shelves. I was able to score the Kruleboyz one to start that army over a year after that box dropped, and they've still got the Ironjawz one (was that from last year or the year before?).

As for this year's boxes, I'm definitely interested in the Votann one, as I want more Thunderkyn and Beserks, another Kapricus would be nice, and I wouldn't mind a set of the artillery pieces. The Ironmaster I could live without since I already have one, but maybe I'll find a use for two in a list? The Marine box is nice but I already have three of each of the dreads, lots of Hellblasters, and some Company Champions. I wouldn't mind more Sternguard, but I'm not buying a box full of stuff I don't want for them. The only other box I might potentially want is the Krieg one, but I'm not worried about having it. Maybe if I can't get the Votann one for whatever reason.