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2026/03/02 15:29:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Overread wrote: It's also something really hard for us to judge because we never know the actual sales just the representation on shelves. We don't know if GW overproduced one over the other; or if its just a regional thing we are seeing etc...
It's also a catch 22 because if the boxes DO sell out we complain that "GW didn't make enough" meanwhile we are conditioned that if they aren't sold out super-fast "The army isn't selling its the end times".
Also lets not forget that the rate of models going from box to individual listings has sped up a LOT. It's not like 7 or so years ago where a model would appear in a boxed set and then not appear on its own for sometimes over a year.
So some people who maybe just want new vypers and not the rest are possibly just saving and waiting.
It's also the post-christmas period leading into the year getting slowly warmer for most of us. This basically goes had in hand with sales reducing into the summer. Which is why GW likes to throw their new edition launches then as it gives them a huge marketing and sales boost
I don't think it matters. £40ish for a 75pt heavy bike is hard to swallow.
Maybe I've just woken up a bit, it's just nuts seeing a 290pt £105 box viewed as a great deal in the case of the kroot combat patrol. The game needs to reinflate points, shrink sizes or push 1k more.
2026/03/02 15:32:53
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
I'd have preferred just a reprint of the 2019 bases and rulebook, a little finetuning of points costs as well as inclusion of new models released since then. As that Apokalypse version still is one of GW's best 40K ruleset.
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2026/03/02 15:36:23
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Da Boss wrote: Tyel: To be fair, people DO pay those sorts of prices for Marine boxes so it still proves the point. There seem to be more people willing to pay ridiculous prices for Marines than other factions. The Marine boxes always sell out super fast.
Xenos fans are just a much smaller percentage of the fanbase so there are fewer total people willing to pay the ridiculous prices so stuff doesn't sell out.
Its true. Although the Red Corsairs box hasn't really shifted either. (I guess CSM are not Marines to be fair. But I think the issue is the same. They think 10 Red Corsair Raiders are worth about £80.)
Maybe this is a point where people start kicking off.
I'm fairly confident for instance that if GW start trying to sell objective models for say £50~ a set, a lot of people just won't bother.
2026/03/02 15:39:31
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
I don't think it matters. £40ish for a 75pt heavy bike is hard to swallow.
Maybe I've just woken up a bit, it's just nuts seeing a 290pt £105 box viewed as a great deal in the case of the kroot combat patrol. The game needs to reinflate points, shrink sizes or push 1k more.
I totally agree with that, the game keeps pushing to unrealistic levels of money and time investment. For me that Kroot box is amazing and should be at least double those Points.
I see myself getting that box for other games or vanity projects because they would be all that you would ever need.
One, they are more things you can sell, especially to older players who are hooked on the sunk cost fallacy, and will buy what the need to keep playing.
But on the other hand, it’s a barrier to entry. You tell a new player they are going to not only buy the minis for their army, and the codex, but an extra box on top of that, some percentage is just going to nope out. One box too many.
Yeah, people already generally don't care about tournament board layouts, L-shaped ruins or the suggested table size, they'll care even less about fighting over the same wreckage and imperial monument every game.
2026/03/02 16:00:27
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Objectives sell to the same audience terrain does. It'll sell okay, but making it mandatory doesn't work because a huge chunk of the playerbase relies on others to provide.
2026/03/02 16:10:34
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
I'm not really sure how much difference objective models would make tbh. Presumably they'll still be roughly three inches across. GW sold objective models for eighth and ninth edition.
As long as they look better than those bloody circles on the Spearhead boards.
2026/03/02 16:19:09
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
The Phazer wrote: I'm not really sure how much difference objective models would make tbh. Presumably they'll still be roughly three inches across. GW sold objective models for eighth and ninth edition.
As long as they look better than those bloody circles on the Spearhead boards.
I’ll cut the spearhead boards some slack because it’s supposed to be a quick and easy game. They want to keep the time between deciding to play and the action as short as possible, and do a pretty good job of that.
Aesthetically I prefer 40mm sculpted/build objective, where you need to check if you are within 3” to score.
Game mechanics I’l quite fond of the magic circles that take the guesswork out. Got an edge of your base on the pad? Count your OC. No arguments or ambiguity. But visually they are on the ugly side, and break immersion.
If you go freeform, like “capture the wrecked tank” then measurement from irregular shapes is going to cause some arguments.
Da Boss wrote: Man if someone argued with me about something like that I would never play them again.
I’ve plaid games where the objective was on one side of a wall and it impossible to get a ruler to it and the mini to check range. Having the circles on the table stop that kind of argument.
I’m generally a “sure that sounds good” and assume anything reasonable is in range. But I’m a filthy casual, so YMMV.
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
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2026/03/02 17:09:56
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
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2026/03/02 17:11:05
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
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Yeah.
Much as tournaments aren’t my bag? For campaigns, we can do pretty much whatever we want. So the rules being written for more formal play doesn’t really impact much.
Also, I hope hotsauceman gets a new “o” for his keyboard.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
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2026/03/02 17:13:52
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
Pick up games and Crusade is the main way people near me play. Your experience isn't universal.
Agreed on good rules being important, though.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2026/03/02 17:19:36
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
I think it would be rather hilarious if Perty suddenly turned up at Terra declaring mano a mano in El Baño with Robute Guilliman. They should absolutely do that.
Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
2026/03/02 17:19:55
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
Pick up games and Crusade is the main way people near me play. Your experience isn't universal.
Agreed on good rules being important, though.
do those pick up games tend to be standard 2000 with the typical rules and terrain layouts?
5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
2026/03/02 17:22:12
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
Pick up games and Crusade is the main way people near me play. Your experience isn't universal.
Agreed on good rules being important, though.
do those pick up games tend to be standard 2000 with the typical rules and terrain layouts?
Standard rules? Yes.
Set terrain layouts? No.
And they're still not tournaments or prep for tournaments.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2026/03/02 17:27:25
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
Pick up games and Crusade is the main way people near me play. Your experience isn't universal.
Agreed on good rules being important, though.
do those pick up games tend to be standard 2000 with the typical rules and terrain layouts?
Standard rules? Yes.
Set terrain layouts? No.
And they're still not tournaments or prep for tournaments.
Tournaments also provide a standard baseline for pick up games, allowing an easier time scheduling. Its the reason they exist. it may not be "prep" for tournaments, but if they are doing 2000pts and gw missions, then they are still participating in competitive play.
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2026/03/02 18:09:34
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
lord_blackfang wrote: Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.
turnaments are hw a cmmunity grws and expands.
Not the only way.
Tournaments are valuable for data collection (on the powerful end, not so much on what's underpowered) and a great way to publicize the game.
But, in my experience, the majority of players don't do tournaments, yet they are still very much a part of the community.
turnaments are pretty much the main way peopple near me play. that and tournament prep leagues
A good, streamlined rules are important for a game. if narritive or casual wish to modify go on ahead
Pick up games and Crusade is the main way people near me play. Your experience isn't universal.
Agreed on good rules being important, though.
do those pick up games tend to be standard 2000 with the typical rules and terrain layouts?
Standard rules? Yes.
Set terrain layouts? No.
And they're still not tournaments or prep for tournaments.
Tournaments also provide a standard baseline for pick up games, allowing an easier time scheduling. Its the reason they exist. it may not be "prep" for tournaments, but if they are doing 2000pts and gw missions, then they are still participating in competitive play.
The core rules place a standard game at 2k, not tournaments. You could.play purely crusade the entire edition and still have your games broken into their 1, 2 and 3 thousand points rules sizes.
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Da Boss wrote: So the plot of this campaign is that Chaos is trying to break out through the Cadian Gate?
I thought we did this one already?
And also isn't the Cadian Gate a raging Warp Rift now?
It seems to be following the gentle retcon in the first scouring book regards Peter Turbo and his dreams.
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2026/03/02 18:12:41
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Didn't they blow up the planet and there's a galaxy spanning warp rift tearing the Imperium in half with what used to be the Cadian Gate as it's starting point?
I thought Chaos could just come out of the massive tear in the galaxy much as they could come out of the Eye of Terror. But they still have to run the same old gauntlet?
Da Boss wrote: Didn't they blow up the planet and there's a galaxy spanning warp rift tearing the Imperium in half with what used to be the Cadian Gate as it's starting point?
I thought Chaos could just come out of the massive tear in the galaxy much as they could come out of the Eye of Terror. But they still have to run the same old gauntlet?
Hopefully not much of a spoiler but they teed up the narrative for Perturabo to do a "and I did it my way" invasion. I think they're pivoting to make him the undivided focal point rather than abby for a bit. So this might be the first step on his narrative in 40k.
2026/03/02 18:32:06
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Da Boss wrote: Didn't they blow up the planet and there's a galaxy spanning warp rift tearing the Imperium in half with what used to be the Cadian Gate as it's starting point?
I thought Chaos could just come out of the massive tear in the galaxy much as they could come out of the Eye of Terror. But they still have to run the same old gauntlet?
It's all very unclear. Abaddon hasn't really capitalised on his victory. What's he been up to since the opening of the rift? Even the Dawn of Fire series just had a bunch of Chaos mooks who were not directly following his plans.
2026/03/02 18:33:01
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Okay, I'm not gonna press for spoilers because it might annoy people, but essentially Perturabo is doing this for his own (possibly egotistical) reasons.
Da Boss wrote: Didn't they blow up the planet and there's a galaxy spanning warp rift tearing the Imperium in half with what used to be the Cadian Gate as it's starting point?
I thought Chaos could just come out of the massive tear in the galaxy much as they could come out of the Eye of Terror. But they still have to run the same old gauntlet?
It's all very unclear. Abaddon hasn't really capitalised on his victory. What's he been up to since the opening of the rift? Even the Dawn of Fire series just had a bunch of Chaos mooks who were not directly following his plans.
He teamed up with vashtorr to reunite caliban in the parish nexus to make a warp tunnelling engine and disappeared into (I think) the webway to go look for a key to a lock.
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Da Boss wrote: Okay, I'm not gonna press for spoilers because it might annoy people, but essentially Perturabo is doing this for his own (possibly egotistical) reasons.
Basically.
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2026/03/02 18:36:13
Subject: Warhammer 40k news and rumours - new Knight Destrier pg 293
Dudeface wrote: He teamed up with vashtorr to reunite caliban in the parish nexus to make a warp tunnelling engine and disappeared into (I think) the webway to go look for a key to a lock.
Oh yeah, Abaddon was also there, wasn't he! Kind of overshadowed by Vashtorr, and being on another MacGuffin Quest is hardly thrilling behaviour for the Warmaster of Chaos.
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Kind of overshadowed by Vashtorr, and being on another MacGuffin Quest is hardly thrilling behaviour for the Warmaster of Chaos.