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Definitely feels like a salt in the wound thing, basically saying "Yeah, too bad, use Krieg models lolol".

Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

 Crimson wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Charax wrote:

See? We remembered the Steel Legion!

Ew

Seems fine to me. Krieg was originally a paint scheme for Steel Legion, so doing it in reverse makes perfect sense. And they basically have the same vibe anyway.

Despite what GW apparently think, Krieg predate Codex: Armageddon.

 Pariah Press wrote:
Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

We literally just had Red Spikey Marines (no, the other Red Spikey Marines) and Eldar with different hats.

But the Steel Legion all died off screen. Unlike those Cadians who's world only exploded!

Nah, I'm with Pariah here, more than an upgrade sprue for Steel Legion would be nonsensical.
Mordians, Vostroyans, Catachans - these are very different, but Krieg and Steel Legion? Come on.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Gork / Mork would have to crash the party and RKO Angron as if it were a WWE cage match.

I would gladly pay for all the expansions if this happened.

I'd like to think that if the Emperor manifested as Jesus or Caesar and other civilization changing figures, Gork and Mork manifested as the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan and other famous and legendary prize-fighters and wrestlers.
Because sometimes a god just wants to German suplex a dude, you know?

I mean, it's right there if you know what to look for...

I could see a MTO for Steel Legion when the armageddon book comes out

 Pariah Press wrote:
Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

Ah yes, because Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolves look soooo different /s

The only point in similarity between Krieg and Steel Legion are the helmets and masks.

They have noticeably different weapons and coats.
Krieg have great coats and long rifles because they fight in the trenches and are supposed to mimic WW1.
Steel Legion have short coats and much smaller lasguns because they are supposed to be a WW2 inspired mechanized force and carrying around a meter long rifle when you're in a transport is a pain in the arse.

Passing current Krieg off as Steel Legion completely ignores the difference in doctrine and their historical, real life inspiration.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Pariah Press wrote:
Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

Ah yes, because Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolves look soooo different /s

The only point in similarity between Krieg and Steel Legion are the helmets and masks.

They have noticeably different weapons and coats.
Krieg have great coats and long rifles because they fight in the trenches and are supposed to mimic WW1.
Steel Legion have short coats and much smaller lasguns because they are supposed to be a WW2 inspired mechanized force and carrying around a meter long rifle when you're in a transport is a pain in the arse.

Passing current Krieg off as Steel Legion completely ignores the difference in doctrine and their historical, real life inspiration.

Out of the regiments that have had models:
Cadians
Death Korps
Catachans
Vostroyans
Valhallans
Praetorians
Mordians
Tallarns
Elysians

Then some of the more esoteric options that haven't had anything yet that they could develop

We've got two full lines and a very old one in Catachans. How likely it is do you think it is that they're going to choose the other gas mask guys when they come to choose which of them to make into the 3rd modern line?

Vorian wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Pariah Press wrote:
Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

Ah yes, because Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolves look soooo different /s

The only point in similarity between Krieg and Steel Legion are the helmets and masks.

They have noticeably different weapons and coats.
Krieg have great coats and long rifles because they fight in the trenches and are supposed to mimic WW1.
Steel Legion have short coats and much smaller lasguns because they are supposed to be a WW2 inspired mechanized force and carrying around a meter long rifle when you're in a transport is a pain in the arse.

Passing current Krieg off as Steel Legion completely ignores the difference in doctrine and their historical, real life inspiration.

Out of the regiments that have had models:
Cadians
Death Korps
Catachans
Vostroyans
Valhallans
Praetorians
Mordians
Tallarns
Elysians

Then some of the more esoteric options that haven't had anything yet that they could develop

We've got two full lines and a very old one in Catachans. How likely it is do you think it is that they're going to choose the other gas mask guys when they come to choose which of them to make into the 3rd modern line?

Why did you leave out Steel Legion?


As to why they would release something for them...oh I don't know, maybe because they are the Armageddon Steel Legion and the focus is on Armageddon and they brought back a special character for the Armageddon Steel Legion from the dead.

What next, no Catachans on Catachan? No Ultramarines on Macraage? No Sisters of Silence on Terra...actually GW might do that, they seemed to have forgotten they exist.

That said, MTO would probably be the best way to go about it. Not just for Steel Legion but for the other missing regiments. That way instead of dedicating manufacturing and storage to sets that might not be sold, they know exactly what to make for who.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:

But the Steel Legion all died off screen. Unlike those Cadians who's world only exploded!

Yeah that's the other thing that irks me.
So the Steel Legion had 3 wars against Orks and they are all dead, but the Cadians had 13 wars against a much more dangerous enemy and they lost their planet but they are literally everywhere?
What, did proximity to the warp give them the reproductive capability of rabbits?

Yeah - and Steel Legion

They aren't gone either. They are still there in the background, they simply have masses of different regiments there too.

And having a range that makes business sense is obviously going to trump whatever story they are cooking up to theme releases around.

But yeah, MTO seems like business sense and a good way to placate the fans too

Yes, please do a third Steel Legion MTO, I need more.

Yeah despite their common origin they're not the same.

Krieg war WWI French while Steel Legion are... how to put it politely... influenced by the German armies of World War II. Which is weird since the Armageddon war was modeled on the Eastern Front of WWII and the Orks were the Germans. But anyway.

The Krieg have calf length great coats, steel legion thigh-length smocks. Weapons are also different.

Now it's easy to handwave, after 30 years (or whatever) of war the SL are equipped with gear from other worlds (does Krieg still make stuff?). Done and dusted.

Plus the SL are only one of many Armageddon regiments, their jungle regiments dressed just like Catachans as it happens.

So it doesn't bug me, I'm a huge IG fan but never had either regiment, but it amuses me.

Question, did the SL show up in the original, original RT era Armageddon board game? Even as a name?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Krieg war WWI French while Steel Legion are... how to put it politely... influenced by the German armies of World War II. Which is weird since the Armageddon war was modeled on the Eastern Front of WWII and the Orks were the Germans. But anyway.

The most famous named Armageddon-ite is Herman von Strab, so the German thing's always been there with them.

Vorian wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Pariah Press wrote:
Yes, if GW had any integrity whatsoever they would release two nearly identical ranges of gas masked, coat wearing Imperial guardsmen. /s

Ah yes, because Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolves look soooo different /s

The only point in similarity between Krieg and Steel Legion are the helmets and masks.

They have noticeably different weapons and coats.
Krieg have great coats and long rifles because they fight in the trenches and are supposed to mimic WW1.
Steel Legion have short coats and much smaller lasguns because they are supposed to be a WW2 inspired mechanized force and carrying around a meter long rifle when you're in a transport is a pain in the arse.

Passing current Krieg off as Steel Legion completely ignores the difference in doctrine and their historical, real life inspiration.

Out of the regiments that have had models:
Cadians
Death Korps
Catachans
Vostroyans
Valhallans
Praetorians
Mordians
Tallarns
Elysians

Then some of the more esoteric options that haven't had anything yet that they could develop

We've got two full lines and a very old one in Catachans. How likely it is do you think it is that they're going to choose the other gas mask guys when they come to choose which of them to make into the 3rd modern line?

Exactly

Im all for criticizing GW, but making steel legion instead of one of these other regiments
would be an incredible waste of ressources. I get it that they are not exactly the same as Krieg, but they are very similar visually.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Question, did the SL show up in the original, original RT era Armageddon board game? Even as a name?

I don't believe so.

Plastic Vostroyans! Plastic Vostroyans! The people demand Plastic Vostroyans!

Or Necromunda Spiders.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Plastic Vostroyans! Plastic Vostroyans! The people demand Plastic Vostroyans!

Or Necromunda Spiders.

All I heard was Elysians and Harakoni Warhawks.

Elysian would be great, just have to steal their Tauros back from Necromunda and their grav chutes from the Tempestors

I cant believe people still fall for this crap. Its marketing/manufactured demand. They get people worked up about something (ie how dare they take our Steel Legion away), suddenly a bunch of people who had no opinion over it become passionate on the topic, then a couple years later surprise heres the thing you all want.

Now instead of selling steel legion minis to all 5 people that care enough to buy them on release day, theres thousands frothing at the mouth for them because it was taken from them before and they are going to make sure they dont miss out on them this time lest they be taken away again.

If that were true where the heck are the Eldar Exodites that they've been teasing for 30odd years

That's a psyop, there's really no such thing as an Exodites fan.

They have dinosaurs. Your argument is invalid.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Plastic Vostroyans! Plastic Vostroyans! The people demand Plastic Vostroyans!

Or Necromunda Spiders.

You know, with 3d Printing they can really go nuts with MTO and just have that option up permanently so people can have their special plastic / resin regiment or odd ball units.
They don't need to dedicate a production pipeline and molds that way and can just have a few hundred printers churning them out on demand.

 Gert wrote:
That's a psyop, there's really no such thing as an Exodites fan.

I've been waiting the 30 years since getting my 2nd Ed Eldar codex for Exodites to arrive. Very much hoping Valrak is right and they arrive in the next year or two

Count me as another hopeful of Exodites.

So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

Spies all of you! I demand to know which agency you work for!

Eldar Dino-Riders would be ****ing awesome.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

Exodites. Sorry Catachan players but you must wait your turn.

Wait, aren't Elves on Dinos a fantasy thing?

I doubt GW would ever mix fantasy and 40k elements together.

SamusDrake wrote:
Eldar Dino-Riders would be ****ing awesome.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

Exodites. Sorry Catachan players but you must wait your turn.

Trick question. They will show up together is a versus box.

I’d buy it…

chaos0xomega wrote:
I cant believe people still fall for this crap. Its marketing/manufactured demand. They get people worked up about something (ie how dare they take our Steel Legion away), suddenly a bunch of people who had no opinion over it become passionate on the topic, then a couple years later surprise heres the thing you all want.

Now instead of selling steel legion minis to all 5 people that care enough to buy them on release day, theres thousands frothing at the mouth for them because it was taken from them before and they are going to make sure they dont miss out on them this time lest they be taken away again.

?????????????


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

Ask again once we see a preview of plastic Fimirs for Old World.