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Looks like a test print for one of the forthcoming mounted knight in that image too.

Steve

Is that new Damned vehicle coming out to purchase on pledge manager?


I shouldn't add more.... BUUUUUUT....

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Is that new Damned vehicle coming out to purchase on pledge manager?

Not officially no. I am hoping that the old entry for the vehicle will still be fine though as having to delete and reenter all the free sprues in the pledge manager is not something I want to do... I have 5 vehicles in the pledge and would just assume (hope) that I dont have to redo it.


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Incidentally, I reposted that pic with the bases and mini ashigaru on Facebook and Hudson "liked" it with a smiley face, So I think those actually might be the set.

Oh phew! I would definitely hate to have WGA quality models at this scale which allows hobbyists to pursue the individuality of expression ala 28s or the mass effect of 10s and below. It's a terrible scale and you should never do it and I'd ecertainly never buy a bunch.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:

 modelhunter wrote:
So WGA's great secret is they are going to release a few sets in 15mm. Does anyone know what the theme will be for this release?

Good God no. We will never make "those nasty little 15s" as Bryan Ansell rightly called them! 15s are the worst of all sizes and do nothing well. I have spoken.

Re: Damned vehicle the name may change but it won't change anything in the pledge manager. We'll get the artwork updated when we have the finals.

Re: I said 15s are nasty and awful. I didn't say anything about other small scales (although I equally have no use for 6s, 20s, 1/144, of 1/72 either!)

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
Re: Damned vehicle the name may change but it won't change anything in the pledge manager. We'll get the artwork updated when we have the finals.

Re: I said 15s are nasty and awful. I didn't say anything about other small scales (although I equally have no use for 6s, 20s, 1/144, of 1/72 either!)

So... 10mm

I love me some 6mm stuff. You can get a real army feel with them....

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:

Well that had to be 6mm or smaller then!

Maybe it depends what you started with, but I've never really seen the point of 10mm (Sorry DZC), it occupies a weird space between 6mm and 15mm without really having any benefits for doing so. Kinda like 20mm between 15 and 28, though I appreciate if you're a grognard who started out in 20mm (1/72) it might still have a place! :p

The vehicles are a good size at 10mm.

Piousservant wrote:
Well that had to be 6mm or smaller then!

Maybe it depends what you started with, but I've never really seen the point of 10mm (Sorry DZC), it occupies a weird space between 6mm and 15mm without really having any benefits for doing so. Kinda like 20mm between 15 and 28, though I appreciate if you're a grognard who started out in 20mm (1/72) it might still have a place! :p

20mm (1/72) is also model railroader scale which is why I assumed Airfix choose that scale. 25mm is the golden scale as both vertical and horizontal scale is the same, but with historicals falling out of favor, that no longer matters.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

Piousservant wrote:
Well that had to be 6mm or smaller then!

Maybe it depends what you started with, but I've never really seen the point of 10mm (Sorry DZC), it occupies a weird space between 6mm and 15mm without really having any benefits for doing so. Kinda like 20mm between 15 and 28, though I appreciate if you're a grognard who started out in 20mm (1/72) it might still have a place! :p

20mm (1/72) is also model railroader scale which is why I assumed Airfix choose that scale. 25mm is the golden scale as both vertical and horizontal scale is the same, but with historicals falling out of favor, that no longer matters.

Historical wargaming has never been bigger than it is now...and it's growing.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:


25mm is the golden scale as both vertical and horizontal scale is the same, but with historicals falling out of favor, that no longer matters.

OK, I'll bite, what does that mean?

@WGA - do you have plans for oval textured bases, for cavalry, various beasts etc.?

Piousservant wrote:

Well that had to be 6mm or smaller then!

Maybe it depends what you started with, but I've never really seen the point of 10mm (Sorry DZC), it occupies a weird space between 6mm and 15mm without really having any benefits for doing so. Kinda like 20mm between 15 and 28, though I appreciate if you're a grognard who started out in 20mm (1/72) it might still have a place! :p

10mm Wargaming scale (base to eye) is roughly 1/144 which is a common model scale and therefore adds a wider range of terrain and models (same as 1/72) and for most 10mm is the sweetspot between size and detail for human sized models for mass battle were 20mm still makes a good skirmish game size

 Shadow Walker wrote:
@WGA - do you have plans for oval textured bases, for cavalry, various beasts etc.?

No ovals in the works - ovals?? We do have textured 50mm rounds (3mm bevel) and 25mm x 50mm dual-use pill bases next. After that a 40mm square dual-use is coming.

Well those are much too detailed to be anything smaller than 15 so I guess it's some new scale between 15 and 20 that nobody has terrain for

Tiny samurai?

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Well those are much too detailed to be anything smaller than 15 so I guess it's some new scale between 15 and 20 that nobody has terrain for

LOL haven't you read anything I've written here?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:


25mm is the golden scale as both vertical and horizontal scale is the same, but with historicals falling out of favor, that no longer matters.

OK, I'll bite, what does that mean?

For example, if the miniature at 1" equals six feet in height, 1" horizontally is also six feet. Sculpting larger means the vertical dimension is longer compared to the horizontal, and sculpting smaller makes the horizontal longer than the vertical.

I reposted this picture on the Wargames Atlantic Facebook page. They had posted it 6 days ago asking about base sizes... Hudson smiled and Charlie from WA commented "well spotted" So I think these are those... if you get my meaning,,,

Whelp, I’ve been looking to get into wargaming in the Samurai era, and have held off on 28mm from various companies. However, if this is 6mm or thereabouts, with decent detail (like the line of bowmen in that shot with the knight), and in plastic, I’m in for an army or three.

the hashtags from the WGA facebook posts were '#TabletopGames #tabletopminiatures #miniaturewargamings #historicalwargaming #WargamesAtlantic #10mm'

so 10mm it is

10mm! Boo....

But they look WAY sharp for 10mm

no no, he has a point. 10mm, booo

Never cared for 10s in anything but sci-fi and that's mostly just for the cheap N-scale terrain and 1/144 gundam accessories, I still prefer 15mm for historicals, fantasy and sci-fi. Sad to see the scale denigrated so.

They look very nice for 10s, but there is ZERO chance of me ever doing japanese in anything other than 28, and we already have Warlord and Fireforged for that. Plastic ninja from somebody would be nice

Grand Battle Scale gets a deep-dive with lots of photos of the models and why 10mm is the very best sub-28mm size! The new Samurai and Ashigaru boxes are also up for pre-order shipping in August.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/introducing-grand-battle-scale

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/grand-battle-scale-samurai-and-ashigaru-take-the-field

I can't say I find the argument from 10s particularly compelling. I supect Ansell would have said the exact same thing he said about 15mm about these after all.

But they do look nice.

For me personally the most off putting thing is yet another scale to get terrain for. That said, after how underwhelming Warlords "epic" ACW range was, if WGA did a plastic CW range of models as nice as these samurai look I might well be tempted even in 10mm (us gamers can be a mercurial lot after all)...

I think there's space for all scales. I once most loved 6mm for mass battles but over the years I've come to land on 10 - a lot of that is due to the Warmaster Revolution thing of late, but DzC and Firestorm Planetfall - and the upcoming Armoured Clash - show it can work nicely for non-ranked infantry too.

I mean, end of the day, ANY scale requires new terrain if you're fussed about it, but naturalistic terrain works for most things, and you can pack in a lot more 6mm or 10mm terrain for your currency unit, especially with how easily accessible 3D printed stuff is now.

The one thing about sub-15s though is how the base widths interact with various games.I know some do individual infantry at 10mm, but these look like strips, so for some that could be the bigger hurdle.

The figures come as singles, twos, threes, and fives - not all strips. So they are very flexible for a lot of basing scenarios.