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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, there are records of Yasuke, a man of African origin who did indeed serve as a Samurai. Seems he came over with Jesuits.

There is a difference between "one guy we have one historical reference on and know was real" and "many people for hundreds of years" including photographs of them from before photography existed. I know who Yasuke was and the description I gave would not have included him.

True that.

Sadly, self described “truth seekers” are typically more accurately described as “those seeking to massage their ego with some confirmation bias, no matter how loopy their claim”

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Out of all the "billionaires" he's probably the one that you should be LEAST concerned about.

Dude appears to be publicly trying to buy himself a president by bribing voters - you'll excuse me if I think that's a big problem.

Presidents cannot be anymore bribed than they already are.

It's the electorate he's trying to bribe, not the apparently increasingly-senile candidate.

Laughing Man wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I think I’ve said before? My concern isn’t so much AI, as those developing it.

Imagine if Musk decided he was going to buy out an AI developer.

musk was part of the founders when those from chatGPT were still non profit and has on multiple occaisions called for a slowing down of AI adoption. Out of all the "billionaires" he's probably the one that you should be LEAST concerned about. Meanwhile Amazon and google are far worse especially in the context of market dominance in their respective fields and have also a worse trackrecord in regards to worker treatment / custommer treatment too boot.

Musk literally had to pay out millions in OSHA violations because his factory doesn't use safety striping (he hates the color yellow and refuses to use it anywhere), and has repeatedly lost lawsuits because it treats black employees like slaves, with a company culture of racism that segregates those employees to a part of the factory they call "the Plantation" and features frequent slurs and depictions of black employees as monkeys. His LLM regurgitates conspiracy theories alleging that the hurricane in North Carolina was used to cover up child sex trafficking, he personally produces and shares deep fakes of celebrities and politicians, and he is currently violating federal election law via directly bribing voters and running an illegal lottery.

I never said he was a nice guy, i said he is the one that you from an abuse of power perspective and positioning have to consider as the least problematic in regards to AI:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I think I’ve said before? My concern isn’t so much AI, as those developing it.

Imagine if Musk decided he was going to buy out an AI developer.

musk was part of the founders when those from chatGPT were still non profit and has on multiple occaisions called for a slowing down of AI adoption. Out of all the "billionaires" he's probably the one that you should be LEAST concerned about. Meanwhile Amazon and google are far worse especially in the context of market dominance in their respective fields and have also a worse trackrecord in regards to worker treatment / custommer treatment too boot.

Musk literally had to pay out millions in OSHA violations because his factory doesn't use safety striping (he hates the color yellow and refuses to use it anywhere), and has repeatedly lost lawsuits because it treats black employees like slaves, with a company culture of racism that segregates those employees to a part of the factory they call "the Plantation" and features frequent slurs and depictions of black employees as monkeys. His LLM regurgitates conspiracy theories alleging that the hurricane in North Carolina was used to cover up child sex trafficking, he personally produces and shares deep fakes of celebrities and politicians, and he is currently violating federal election law via directly bribing voters and running an illegal lottery.

I never said he was a nice guy, i said he is the one that you from an abuse of power perspective and positioning have to consider as the least problematic in regards to AI:

The guy who extorts his employees into having sex with him is the least problematic from an abuse of power perspective, you say.

I know I'm going to get an infraction for wording it this way, but...





HEY, NERDS!!!


Politics you agree with is still politics, and banned from this forum. Don't get the thread shut down because you can't bang your drums elsewhere.



Sweet Emperor's teeth...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, there are records of Yasuke, a man of African origin who did indeed serve as a Samurai. Seems he came over with Jesuits.

Yasuke was never a samurai, though. He was a retainer, but was thought of by Nobunaga as something of a "pet".

 Just Tony wrote:

Yasuke was never a samurai, though. He was a retainer, but was thought of by Nobunaga as something of a "pet".

He was a retainer with the rank of samurai, according to historians.

But that's also not the topic of the thread...

Now when I scroll down a Facebook thread, the page randomly and suddenly leaps down to a section of FB groups with a big “Members also join” sign, and I have to scroll back up past a bunch of notifications for those groups to find what I was reading.


Is anyone experiencing this?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now when I scroll down a Facebook thread, the page randomly and suddenly leaps down to a section of FB groups with a big “Members also join” sign, and I have to scroll back up past a bunch of notifications for those groups to find what I was reading.


Is anyone experiencing this?

massive leaps, yes. Massive leaps to a specific section reading "members also join", I can't say I've seen that.

4-post leaps have been a thing for a couple of years or more.
I haven't paid attention to where they leapt to.

I’m getting fed up with Bots and their spam on FB.

To the point I may delete my account.

You going to abandon your loot group?

 insaniak wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Yasuke was never a samurai, though. He was a retainer, but was thought of by Nobunaga as something of a "pet".

He was a retainer with the rank of samurai, according to historians.

But that's also not the topic of the thread...

ackshually that was a confirmed edit, he never held a samurai title.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Yasuke was never a samurai, though. He was a retainer, but was thought of by Nobunaga as something of a "pet".

He was a retainer with the rank of samurai, according to historians.

But that's also not the topic of the thread...

ackshually that was a confirmed edit, he never held a samurai title.

If folks wish to continue discussing, here is a dedicated thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/814883.page#11704480

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You going to abandon your loot group?

More leave it in the hands of my Admin, who frankly do all the work anyways.

I’ll still be on Messenger, as that’s where I get most of my value from, and will remain part of the group’s admin team. If I can.

 Overread wrote:
Oh its not had its day; many of us griping are still using it. However I think its clear that its not what was originally drew us to them and there ARE avenues for both the SM systems collapsing due to mismanagement and also for competition to rise up.

Are we still using it properly though? It may be a small sample size, but most of my 'friends' only really lurk now, with some posting the occasional thing like a life event, whereas years ago there was a lot more traffic.

I scroll it a lot, because it's a pretty low effort way to kill time, but I'm rarely engaging with anything and certainly haven't clicked an ad for years. I think the only part I actively use now is marketplace.


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 Skinnereal wrote:
It's the inaccuracies and intentional spelling mistakes in the AI-generated articles that wind me up. They must be put in to get more hits and comments, as people point them out and correct them., only adding to the Comments counter.

The same with Tiktok videos.

One of the easiest ways to generate interaction is to post something wrong. I see a lot of terribly DIY advice videos that are full of replies like "this is dangerous", but the algorithm can't distinguish between good reactions and bad reactions so they get views and money.

Another one seems to be to post partial stories/videos, because then users will go to your profile to find the rest of it, or comment on the post or whatever. It's gotten so bad that some people will check the comments first or skip anything in multiple parts. I tend to search for the underlying reddit post it's scraped from to read it there and see there's a new trend of fake reddit stories on facebook/TikTok - they are set up to look like reddit but always incomplete and clearly AI generated since there's often logical mistakes. I assume the idea is to drive engagement from people who want to know how the story ends.

Both providing nothing but frustration.

I wouldn't be surprised if some AI generated mistakes are deliberate but it's most likely just that the creators don't care enough to check or fix it. The aim for most is to spew out as much content as possible for as little effort.

I'm honestly surprised that Meta hasn't monetised Marketplace yet, as it surely has to be the only part of the platform that's still generating any real traffic. Adding a fee for listing seems like it has to happen sooner or later.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that Meta hasn't monetised Marketplace yet, as it surely has to be the only part of the platform that's still generating any real traffic. Adding a fee for listing seems like it has to happen sooner or later.

Recently Ebay started removing fees for private listings because so many people were moving to the Marketplace features of FB. As you say its a very active area and meta don't need to monetize it to profit from their platform. If anything they just want the traffic and attention it brings to monetize through existing advertising channels.


So Ebay has tried going back on fees just to get people using their platform as I'm sure they've seen the shift within the private sector. Even in a niche like wargaming I've seen a LOT of stuff just not appearing on Ebay in any volume and yet if you glance over at the FB trading groups for those games/markets there's a lot lot more activity and trading going on.



The other thing is how can FB monetize their market system when a lot of it doesn't even need to use the marketplace itself. Many trade groups are purely just posting messages with pictures; a price and "message me" comments. FB doesn't process any of the payments - that's all done with Paypal (most often) or in person meetups. I think if they tried to bring in fees they'd see people leave in droves for the next free site (either back to ebay or probably into reddit); or just have the Marketplace crash and everyone would just be using comments in private groups.




It would take some big changes to FB and how it works to make it something they could directly monetize.

Actually thinking on it the best way for Meta to monetize it is to create their own equivalent to Paypal and then build it into FB to make it super easy to use. They could even design it with the same "goods and services" protections that Paypal offers and then make that the only way to pay (ergo no straight cash exchanges). Because right now Paypal is likely the one profiting the most, if FB/Meta could get into that same sector then that woudl be the best way to monetize their marketplace without doing anything to stop what makes it actually work right now.

Yeah, a dedicated payment gateway, and some level of buyer protection to build trust in buying remotely (as the current system was really built around the idea that people were paying and picking up in person) would be essential for Marketplace to grow beyond what it already is.

Honestly they might even get away just adding Paypal functionality to the Marketplace and then adding on a tiny % fee for the convenience of use. Just enough to profit from mass sales; not enough to be a "fee" that scares people away whilst giving them a safe fast and easy function on the site to use. A 1% or less fee would take it to a 4% total (paypal takes 3%).

And that way they don't have to invest a fortune into building their own banking and payment processing site.

I think they have a payment mechanism, because I've been forced to use it to sponsor some friends. I've always added a card, paid and then deleted the card again because I don't trust Meta more than I have to.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that Meta hasn't monetised Marketplace yet, as it surely has to be the only part of the platform that's still generating any real traffic. Adding a fee for listing seems like it has to happen sooner or later.

It's trying, there are all sorts of fees to boost listings and improve reach. Maybe they'll eventually expand charges to everything.

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, a dedicated payment gateway, and some level of buyer protection to build trust in buying remotely (as the current system was really built around the idea that people were paying and picking up in person) would be essential for Marketplace to grow beyond what it already is.

Personally the thing I live most about marketplace is that it's virtually all local stuff with an associated profile. So it's easier (but not impossible) to identify the scam and stolen items.

For mini's and stuff, I've certainly found it much easier to meet in person to hand over armies than to try and make stuff postage safe.

FB Marketplace doesn't have a payment system in the UK, as far as I can tell. We've sold a bunch of stuff there recently and it's an absolute cesspit of scammers for the most part because of this. Every single item we post has a bunch of people trying to buy it, then attempting some weird scam clearly designed to get the item for free in one way or another. We have eventually sold everything we wanted, but FB could make life a lot easier if they wanted to.

I see a lot of Marketplace related scams at work.

What may not be apparent to the untrained eye? Scammers are doing Middle Man Scams.

Let’s say I want to sell my car, and I put it up on Marketplace, and agree a sale. All above board, V5C and all.

Except, the Scammer, unbeknownst to me, uses a comprised bank account to pay me, either directly, or funding their account with fraudulent funds and punting it on to me.

At that point I can find myself in all means of stooky. Not necessarily lose out on the funds if I can reasonably demonstrate “clean hands”. But it is a possibility.

Trying to sell a saddle on FB marketplace currently and inundated with attempted scams. The place is lousy for them.

Its very good for collection only secondhand stuff like furniture in a circular economy way, but quickly becomes a quagmire otherwise.

I've found anything with 'machine' in the title is ripe for the "I'll take it but need to send my cousin, here's a fake paypal link" scams. But at least they are pretty formulaic.

Most things I've otherwise sold have been fine, except for a mountain bike, that was a nightmare of time wasters and chancers. It definitely varies wildly based on the item.

If Facebook directly monetised it, they would be liable in ways they aren't currently. Better to indirectly make money from the traffic.

My main concern, which I think I’ve shared before, is how little social media does to adhere to advertising standards and financial regulations.

Hence I see a lot of scam complaints where someone got roped into Crypto, Contract for Difference and other high risk, unregulated investments.

Some are straight up scams, where they just take your money and head for the hills. Others, the more difficult ones, are where people are persuaded to make genuine high risk investments and then lose every single penny. Or worse, as with Contract for Difference, you can end up owing substantial sums.

Marriages are destroyed, homes and pensions are lost. People are made bankrupt.

All because social media reckons it’s not actually an advertising platform therefore the rules don’t apply.

What's the simple description for "Contract for Difference", Doc? Not one I've heard of before.

It’s basically betting on Exchange Rates.

I don’t deal with investment complaints, so my knowledge is limited. But it involves two parties. One betting a currency will rise, the other betting it will fall, with the loser paying the winner the difference between the value of the asset the beginning and the end of the contract.

Now, if you know what you’re doing, including the staggering risks involved? You can make decent profits.

But hey, there’s a reason they’re not to be promoted to anyone apart from already experienced investors.

Alongside that Crypto is also used as a means to have more favourable exchange rates when moving money around between countries. So underlaying the investor side of it which is pure pyramid scheme style gambling; there's also an underlaying use of it for moving money around.

From legitimate use (apparently its used a decent amount by overseas workers sending money home quickly and without bankfees - where variations in value don't matter because its being bought and sold quickly); to, of course ,money laundering and so forth.