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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

Good thing that beloved old setting sold so well and didn't end up getting cancelled. Oh wait..

And how they brought it back and it sold amazingly. Oh wait..

Of course thats strongly GWs fault by only releasing a total of two new plastic kits and only having three of the nine main factions available half a year after launch.
I'm sure the game itself isn't bad but from a model standpoint there isn't much reason to go with GW stuff and that's where the sales come from.

And just judging by how all four stores near me and three other stores in neighboring countries that I order from sometimes had to put most of the TOW stuff in the sales category with additional discounts to sell anything it really doesn't want to move.
Of course just a small sample size but still not a great look.

 Fayric wrote:
People usually get angry and dissapointed at boxes selling out quickly.
Now the discussion sounds like boxes still in stock is an embarrasing failure for GW, and a game throwing a party that no other kids show up to.

Beeing able to buy their product is not a bad thing, remember.

that is something GW marketing created themselves, kind of

main reason to collect those things by marketing is because they are popular so you have the potential to play a game no matter what, and you buy them now because stock won't last as demand is high and it will get more expensive over time (as the individual boxes are much more expensive and the yearly price increase will come as well)

yet if marketing/FOMO fails, this created the situation that the game is not considered popular enough to be worth collecting for the potential of gaming (if there is still stock, no one buys which means no potential players, so not worth buying)
and in addition, there is a good chance it gets cheaper over time instead of more expensive because excessive stock need to be sold off as a new Edition will come in 3 years


if FOMO is a companies main marketing, being actually able to buy the stuff is failed marketing which can have a bigger impact


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 Geifer wrote:

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

by how GW is missing opportunities, it would be ironic if they take this one

Against all better judgement, the Fire & Jade gaming pack looks ideal for skirmish wargaming in general. But once again, it depends heavily on the price...

If you just wanna rulebook https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/30/sunday-preview-all-the-extras-you-may-need-to-play-the-new-edition/

Guessing the fire and jade kit will probably be about £50. We should know tomorrow though

I suspect I will feel better about buying the core box and flogging the Skaven when the pricing for the components comes out.

I'm a little surprised there wasn't a rebox of the core endless spells with this stuff. They have been hard to source for a while.

Edit: they're by no means impossible - Element have them in stock - but GW haven't seem to have had any for ages.

GW hasn't done much with endless spells in a whle. No expansion or reboxing set and not many factions that don't have them getting hold of them as of late.

They feel like "marketing hotness" that has cooled and the team aren't pushing them

They were also produced out of house, so it might be part of that.

 Overread wrote:
GW hasn't done much with endless spells in a whle. No expansion or reboxing set and not many factions that don't have them getting hold of them as of late.

They feel like "marketing hotness" that has cooled and the team aren't pushing them

And yet they're making a plush Purple Sun! Definite confusion internally.

Billicus wrote:
Guessing the fire and jade kit will probably be about £50. We should know tomorrow though

I'm curious to find out as the terrain/board and the rules/cards are a bit over £40 on Ebay.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW hasn't done much with endless spells in a whle. No expansion or reboxing set and not many factions that don't have them getting hold of them as of late.

They feel like "marketing hotness" that has cooled and the team aren't pushing them

And yet they're making a plush Purple Sun! Definite confusion internally.

Tomy's a licensed product, not GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW hasn't done much with endless spells in a whle. No expansion or reboxing set and not many factions that don't have them getting hold of them as of late.

They feel like "marketing hotness" that has cooled and the team aren't pushing them

And yet they're making a plush Purple Sun! Definite confusion internally.

Tomy's a licensed product, not GW.

They still have to run their product lines by GW for approval though, right?

Dudeface wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Guessing the fire and jade kit will probably be about £50. We should know tomorrow though

I'm curious to find out as the terrain/board and the rules/cards are a bit over £40 on Ebay.

That's the route i went. "pre-ordered" parted out cards, board and book. $40 u.s. plus tax free shipping.

Got a set on Friday, spent the weekend building and painting.

Saw some YouTube reviews saying that the building was a bit fiddly and things did not always go together well - not a bit of it, in my experience. These models go together very nicely, maybe the best I have seen from GW in quite a while.

Other YouTubers have been opining that this might be the best starter set from GW yet - will agree with that, would rate this package as 'Superb'.

Also got high hopes for Spearhead...

Found a victim to take Stormcast, so now I'll be getting two sets of Skaven and one set of rules and terrain.

I'll never build the second set of Clanrats, but extra Ogres, Jezzails and Gatler are worth it by themselves.

EU Prices (I added GBP, USD if I could find them)

Faction packs DoK, IDK, SoB, Maggotkin, Sylvaneth, KO, FS, OBR €12, £9.50, $15
Faction Packs BoK, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nighthaunt, FEC, Seraphon, Orruk Warclans, GSG, LRL, Ogors €14.75, £12.75, $19
Faction packs Skaven, S2D, CoS, SBG, SCE, €20.50
Core Book €55, £40, $65/$70
Dice €24, £19, $33.50
Generals Handbook €34, £26, $42
Fire and Jade €55, £40, $65

MongooseMatt wrote:
Saw some YouTube reviews saying that the building was a bit fiddly and things did not always go together well - not a bit of it, in my experience. These models go together very nicely, maybe the best I have seen from GW in quite a while.

Good to hear, and hardly surprising. Overwhelmingly modern GW's plastic models are engineered quite well and these instances where people experience difficulties are usually down to inexperience with the quirks of peg and hole systems on easy build models, wrapping your head around exotic computer cut parts especially on multi-part models, or a combination thereof.

I've had perhaps 2 or 3 GW models in years that went together oddly and with a bit of fiddly parts (The Morghast models come to mind). Otherwise if you follow the instructions GW models go together really easily.

Push-fit can take a moment to learn that if you're using plastic glues you want to cut a good portion of the peg off otherwise they tend to get too snug and the vapours/glue on the peg causes it to get stuck part way instead of all the way.

I think I've had 1 model that was odd/bad to put together and that was the bloodsnake form the Daughters of Khiane Endless spells set.

 Geifer wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Saw some YouTube reviews saying that the building was a bit fiddly and things did not always go together well - not a bit of it, in my experience. These models go together very nicely, maybe the best I have seen from GW in quite a while.

Good to hear, and hardly surprising. Overwhelmingly modern GW's plastic models are engineered quite well and these instances where people experience difficulties are usually down to inexperience with the quirks of peg and hole systems on easy build models, wrapping your head around exotic computer cut parts especially on multi-part models, or a combination thereof.

Well, that and for AOS a surprising tolerance for two part shoulder pads and cape splits which are relatively advanced modelling tasks to fix for intro boxes.

I was building the Vanquishers and at least they have one-piece pads, but there are still some split cloaks. But they are way easier to build than the Stormcast pushfits.

 DaveC wrote:
EU Prices (I added GBP, USD if I could find them)

Faction packs DoK, IDK, SoB, Maggotkin, Sylvaneth, KO, FS, OBR €12, £9.50, $15
Faction Packs BoK, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nighthaunt, FEC, Seraphon, Orruk Warclans, GSG, LRL, Ogors €14.75, £12.75, $19
Faction packs Skaven, S2D, CoS, SBG, SCE, €20.50
Core Book €55, £40, $65
Dice €24, £19, $33.50
Generals Handbook €34, £26, $42
Fire and Jade €55, £40, $65

No surprise the launch box is a good deal versus regular prices.

Faction packs... I love the convenience, but most of them are above what I'm comfortable paying for something that's planned to go obsolete asap. Buying the Skaven and SCE ones especially seems madness, 20€ each for probably a month of play?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

Given that the 'legacy' factions can only get models from Age of Sigmar, you'd think the existence of Old World would HELP its sales...

Google trends data and subreddit subscribership suggests that TOWs popularity is a drop in the bucket compared to AoS anyway.

Locally the only interest in ToW is from a few college aged folks who never played WHFB but are conditioned to check out every new GW thing. The actual fantasy veterans stayed with T9A, while AoS is looked at mostly by folks who identify as 40k players but like the models.

With Fire and Jade you seem to get a rulebook of sorts in the Skaventide box, but no such book in the separate Fire and Jade Spearhead release.

Are the rules to play Spearhead in the core rulebook or will everything you need to play be in the free downloadable resource(s)?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
With Fire and Jade you seem to get a rulebook of sorts in the Skaventide box, but no such book in the separate Fire and Jade Spearhead release.

Are the rules to play Spearhead in the core rulebook or will everything you need to play be in the free downloadable resource(s)?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

It explains everything in the preorder article:

Preorder Preview Article wrote:Spearhead is the new game mode for Warhammer Age of Sigmar, bringing lightning-fast games rich in tactical depth. This neat box contains everything you need to start playing games of Spearhead with your own collections. You get a sprue with four pieces of terrain and snap-together 3” and 6” range rulers, a double-sided game board with printed objectives covering Aqshy on one side and Ghyran on the other, as well as a Twist Deck for each side, and two identical Battle Tactic decks for each player.

The Battlepack for Spearhead will be available for free, and every faction’s Spearhead rules will be available in their Faction Packs, both in physical and digital editions.

Preorder for Skaventide wrote:That’s not all, as the box also contains all the bits and pieces you need to play Spearhead. The Skaven and Stormcast halves of the box contain their respective Spearheads, and you also get the double-sided Aqshy and Ghyran board, a terrain sprue that includes snap-together 3” and 6” range rulers, and Battle Tactics and Twist Decks. There’s also the 144-page hardback Spearhead: Fire and Jade book, which contains the rules and warscrolls for every existing Spearhead force.*

* Please note that the construction guide for Skaventide shows the Gryph-crow on a 25mm base, which is incorrect. It should go on a 32mm base, which is included in the box.

Fire and Jade contains the Battlepack and every faction's Spearhead rules & warscrolls in a single spot.

Hadn't clocked that the spearhead standalone set doesn't include the book. That's probably sensible, keeps the cost down.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/01/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-these-are-the-key-download-dates/

I guess they're trying to keep hype going but stringing out the faction packs over a whole week sucks a bit.

What's the significance of listing Battletome: Beasts of Chaos and Bonesplitters?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Locally the only interest in ToW is from a few college aged folks who never played WHFB but are conditioned to check out every new GW thing. The actual fantasy veterans stayed with T9A, while AoS is looked at mostly by folks who identify as 40k players but like the models.

That's not even close to being accurate.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Locally the only interest in ToW is from a few college aged folks who never played WHFB but are conditioned to check out every new GW thing. The actual fantasy veterans stayed with T9A, while AoS is looked at mostly by folks who identify as 40k players but like the models.

That's not even close to being accurate.

Okay then you explain to everyone what my local group plays.