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which would only work if you also have packaging in each region

there is no benefit in making mdf regional, but the plastics that go into the box are with the cardboard and booklets in Nottingham
shipping the parts to the regional hub to pair them with the terrain is increasing the cost even more

Well if that's the case the cost of shipping the MDF can't actually be too bad then. Can't have it both ways.

Meanwhile in another thread a company is launching a kickstarter to sell printed mdf terrain.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ttcombatundead/ttcombat-chroma-coloured-mdf-wargaming-terrain?ref=discovery&term=Chroma&total_hits=42&category_id=34

I have to add a likely to be unpopular hot take here after starting assembly of my Hivestorm set - the Vespid may be the worst new kit I’ve seen from GW in a long time. The detail is lumpy and blobby, instead of crisp and clean. The fit is indifferent and ambiguous at times. And the mold lines are EVERYWHERE!

I’d have believed it if with no foreknowledge someone told me this kit was from 2004, and not 2024. It’s going to be a slog to get these even semi presentable.

so similar to the Ork Kill Team, or at least the frames some people got
with everyone always being highly positive and never showing not cleaned up models, hard to tell of this are all the models or just some faulty sprues

I built the Kommandos, and I think the Vespid are worse. Day two, and it took me a solid hour to clean up and build a single Vespid. Almost so bad that you’d think they subcontracted the design or molding job to someone else…

MDF is an odd choice, given that they have plenty of plastic... but it does make sense if you want new players, right out of the box, to have a decent looking game. Assuming the models are cast in blue and green plastic, with the board and printed terrain, new players will have a nice looking game in what, an hour or two?

GW is rebooting underworlds as a skirmish game in a box, Spearhead is a (really fun) fantasy battle game in a box, and now kill team is a full game in a box. this is real full court press to make the game accessible to new players, people who are lore folks, people who have drifted away, etc. Now if only they could fix combat patrol...

 totalfailure wrote:
I have to add a likely to be unpopular hot take here after starting assembly of my Hivestorm set - the Vespid may be the worst new kit I’ve seen from GW in a long time. The detail is lumpy and blobby, instead of crisp and clean. The fit is indifferent and ambiguous at times. And the mold lines are EVERYWHERE!

I’d have believed it if with no foreknowledge someone told me this kit was from 2004, and not 2024. It’s going to be a slog to get these even semi presentable.

I saw a painting video that mentioned the mold line issue and was pleased to find that mine were not nearly as bad. So maybe there is more variation that usual? (for a new kit at least)

Anecdotally, I assembled my vespid this morning, and besides the time taking to learn the knack of getting the hip joints to fit, there was no real problem.

Same. The hips are a bit wonky, but detail was fine and mild lines minimal. Hope my second set is the same.

You just have to remember that for some reason the Vespas have hip bones despite being insects, so as long as you line up the bits it will work.

Also, all the wing sets work on pretty much any of the bodies from what I can work out.

I’m glad others aren’t having the same experience. My Vespid are just nasty, and disappointing for a new kit. Obviously, mileage varies. I’m glad I’m not a Tau player. I sure won’t be tracking down any more when they release in a solo box.

Any chance of some pics of the problems, totalfailure?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Also, all the wing sets work on pretty much any of the bodies from what I can work out.

You just have to be careful to match the arms, since some wing/arm combos will not fit together. The chest piece/middle limbs are also interchangeable, but again need to be careful not to intersect with other protruding parts.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s what happens with Orks. The more they fight and survive, the bigger and ‘Arder they get.

And there’s a lot of fights going on right now.

In theory, it’s possible for the majority of a successful Waaagh! to end up Nob sized, without them all being Nobz (a Nob remaining at all time the biggest Ork in a given Mob, so it’s all relative).

So Nobz are Mobz, but not all Mobz are Nobz?

 Dysartes wrote:
Any chance of some pics of the problems, totalfailure?

We’ll see. It’s tough with mold lines. You need a good camera, know how to use it, and some harsh lighting to capture mold lines.

 Talking Banana wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s what happens with Orks. The more they fight and survive, the bigger and ‘Arder they get.

And there’s a lot of fights going on right now.

In theory, it’s possible for the majority of a successful Waaagh! to end up Nob sized, without them all being Nobz (a Nob remaining at all time the biggest Ork in a given Mob, so it’s all relative).

So Nobz are Mobz, but not all Mobz are Nobz?

Nobz are the ones who tell Mobz to shut their Gobz

The Nob remains the ‘ardest Ork in the Mob, hence a sliding scale.

Though I suppose with a constant influx of new Boyz, you’re still going to have mobs of Just Boyz, because no self respecting established, well ‘ard Mob is gonna accept a weedy yoof or twelve.

Here’s the front and back of a torso, and a look at both sides of a flamer.

Advanced modeling skills required.

^^Yeah sadly that looks pretty time consuming to correct. I'm sure you'll get there though, it'll look worth it in the end.


Anyway I'm curious now what the new starter box will cost seeing as it's up for preorder next weekend.

The 360 degree mold seam around the parts is unpleasant, but wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t on so many curved and segmented parts. It’s really poor on the weapons as well. The standard blaster has tons of angle changes and nooks and crannies. And there’s a seam all the way around.

I think you just have a bad cast there; none of mine were anywhere near that bad. Maybe talk to customer service about it, see if they can do anything.

Prices for this week

Phobos Strike Team and Legionaries go up 5€
Kasrkin go up 3,75€
Inquisitorial Agents go up 2,50€
Pathfinders go up 7,50€? (not sure what they were before I think 47,50€ but could have been 45€ too. Big increase either way)

Ouch, €87,50, the 20% discount softens the blow a bit.

£67.50 is...no thanks. Marines are a bit boring and the rot'n'decay theme of Nurgle just isn't my cup of tea.

But as always thank you, Matrindur. Its nice to have this information to plan ahead.

Probably £67.50 then the same as the 40k and AoS Starter Sets, not the cheaper Introductory Sets.

I haven't liked the 40k/AoS Introductory and Starter last few editions afor introducing a younger relative. They've been Marines vs Hordes, Necrons were probably the best opponent for slightly less hordiness but you still ended up with a lot of Warriors/Scarabs. But you still have the issue that one side of the box kills stuff, the other side just kind of stands around dying (scoring points but a youngster won't care about that).

I really like Marines vs Marines as an introduction for a younger relative as both sides will kill at the same pace, but was hoping for the Introducty Set price £42.50 or at least in the middle of the two prices at £55.

This is the one with MDF yeah? Bad deal!

Were the Space Marine Hero sets this is made up not £35-£40 each?

Is a regular Squad of 7 Plague Marines not £37 right now? and the smallest box of Intercessors £40?

So a chunk cheaper than that, plus terrain and an intro rule book. Not sure how it works out as a bad deal. More than is ideal for a starter set I'd agree, and the usual caveat that GW prices are in a league of their own anyway. But as "deals" go seems fairly decent?

I'd certainly argue there's more to this than, say, the Space Marine 2 Recruit Edition starter set.