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So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

I'll hold my hands up and say my interest in KT is the terrain and the models, rather than the game.

I wouldn't turn down a demo of KT24 at some point, but the idiocy of the measurement system in KT21 was a black mark against it from day 1.

Yeah, it was weird, I agree!

It had a very good side effect, though, which unfortunately was binned by KT24 - uniformity of ranges. If a weapon was short ranged you just KNEW it's 6". No need to check, no need to remember. Very elegant, very smooth. Clean code, love it!

Now you don't know. Maybe it's 8" but maybe it's 7". And this operative actually has 9"... Unnecessary mental load, unnecessary mistakes with differences that don't affect the game state, just increase pointless bloat of granularity. User Interface be damned.

But to be fair, my group used inches in KT21 anyway, as they were provided on Wahapedia, which we used for rules.

Cyel wrote:
So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

I tried to pick up the book last week, but my shops were out.

I'll get Ratlings as a solo box when they're released; I did pick up a couple Ogryn kits to be ready for the ratling KT when it comes.

I have exactly 3 Ogre Kingdoms Bulls in my bits box. They've been there for 15 years or so - I was building a fully converted LatD army but never managed to finish a full 10-ogryn unit. They will come in handy now

Cyel wrote:
So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

Some of use dont get all that many games in, for one reason or another. Another thing is GWs release churn, I still haven't played all the Gallowdark missions from KT21 S2, and I have AT18 and LI games to play before I can hope to get anywhere near Brutal & Kunning missions

You kind of have to buy the stuff as soon as its out, or risk losing out entirely, or paying triple for the hard to get stuff because of scalpers. in the case of KT24, the campaign books and terrain (required to play the missions) is pretty much 100% FOMO, even if the team rules themselves are in the app for everyone to enjoy. I've read many people lament the lack of availability of Gallowdark specific extra terrain, I was fortunate myself to be able to both afford and have access to all the 4 boxes, but a lot of folks who were on the fence can never get them now..

Cyel wrote:
So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

I must say that the so-op mode is what interests me, but aside from the odd sniper scenario...GW has been too quiet on that front. Apparently there's something new in the upcoming White Dwarf...

Cyel wrote:
So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

To be fair, some people like to assemble and paint the stuff before using it, and we have had the festive season eating up time for the last month.

Cyel wrote:
So, nobody, really? So many people here obsess about buying the stuff and now nobody is playing anyway?

My local shop got shorted & I missed getting the set by 1 slot on their reserve list. :(

So for now I'm just waiting on the Ratlings to be released on thier own.
(I'm sure I could find thier rules online, probably on GW, pull old ratlings from my IG cases, & play - but I've got other things to do atm....)
The Orks I don't really care about.

Guilty as charged! I was eager to play my Wreckas and to start the narrative campaign in which I am using them, so jsut after Christmas I put them on the table with only a couple of basic colours ...







But they are look a lot better now, much closer to being finished. The Squigs, which I quickly Contrasted for table readiness in these games, have been fully repainted, for example.

 tauist wrote:


You kind of have to buy the stuff as soon as its out, or risk losing out entirely, or paying triple for the hard to get stuff because of scalpers. in the case of KT24, the campaign books and terrain (required to play the missions) is pretty much 100% FOMO, even if the team rules themselves are in the app for everyone to enjoy. I've read many people lament the lack of availability of Gallowdark specific extra terrain, I was fortunate myself to be able to both afford and have access to all the 4 boxes, but a lot of folks who were on the fence can never get them now..

Pfft.
You don't need to spend a dime on GW terrain to play any sort of KT. Let alone pay some scalper 3x retail for it.
All you have to do is invest some time & effort into building your own.
Or talk to someone with a 3d printer.
Or a combination of the two...

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:


You kind of have to buy the stuff as soon as its out, or risk losing out entirely, or paying triple for the hard to get stuff because of scalpers. in the case of KT24, the campaign books and terrain (required to play the missions) is pretty much 100% FOMO, even if the team rules themselves are in the app for everyone to enjoy. I've read many people lament the lack of availability of Gallowdark specific extra terrain, I was fortunate myself to be able to both afford and have access to all the 4 boxes, but a lot of folks who were on the fence can never get them now..

Pfft.
You don't need to spend a dime on GW terrain to play any sort of KT. Let alone pay some scalper 3x retail for it.
All you have to do is invest some time & effort into building your own.
Or talk to someone with a 3d printer.
Or a combination of the two...

The missions in the campaign books use a specific terrain layout, which uses the included terrain which came in the box. Obviously one is free to ignore all that and use whatever, but thats not how I like to play those missions.

Of course I dont need to spend a dime on anything if I dont want to. I could just use the free app and poorhammer my way through the games with bits of coloured paper and empty cans of youghurt turned upside down. Guess I'm just a chump /s

Anyways, speaking of solo play and joint ops, I was just watching this GMG batrep of one game. Thought it worth posting in this thread since the joint ops have not been discussed so much in detail so far..

I know I've asked this question before, but I still can't find the answer.

Did they update the forces from the Compendium (specifically the Custodes) for the new Edition?

No.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I know I've asked this question before, but I still can't find the answer.

Did they update the forces from the Compendium (specifically the Custodes) for the new Edition?

No, but you could easily "houserule" them to be compatible for casual games. The stats are totally compatible between KT21 & KT24

Thanks, im just looking for some non-tourney games. That's not my crowd.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I know I've asked this question before, but I still can't find the answer.

Did they update the forces from the Compendium (specifically the Custodes) for the new Edition?

No.
Go to the GW Cominity page & hit the download tab. You'll find all the current teams & their rules there.


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 tauist wrote:

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:


You kind of have to buy the stuff as soon as its out, or risk losing out entirely, or paying triple for the hard to get stuff because of scalpers. in the case of KT24, the campaign books and terrain (required to play the missions) is pretty much 100% FOMO, even if the team rules themselves are in the app for everyone to enjoy. I've read many people lament the lack of availability of Gallowdark specific extra terrain, I was fortunate myself to be able to both afford and have access to all the 4 boxes, but a lot of folks who were on the fence can never get them now..

Pfft.
You don't need to spend a dime on GW terrain to play any sort of KT. Let alone pay some scalper 3x retail for it.
All you have to do is invest some time & effort into building your own.
Or talk to someone with a 3d printer.
Or a combination of the two...

The missions in the campaign books use a specific terrain layout, which uses the included terrain which came in the box. Obviously one is free to ignore all that and use whatever, but thats not how I like to play those missions.

Of course I dont need to spend a dime on anything if I dont want to. I could just use the free app and poorhammer my way through the games with bits of coloured paper and empty cans of youghurt turned upside down. Guess I'm just a chump /s

I didn't say ignore the missions & terrain layouts.
You build your terrain to match what's needed. I'd think that'd be obvious....

And bitz of paper & empty cans (though empty cans do make an excellent stating point )? Really?
Learn some modeling skills & you won't have anything resembling an over turned yogurt cup.

Hey, don't badmouth empty cans! I even finished painting some a couple of days ago (first 2025 project finished ...damn, calling it that doesn't sound that well now...) to go with my ITD walls when I want to use them for a more open board.

Tin cans are a terrain evergreen for a reason!

They look fantastic!

Also, ccs you missed the sarcasm on tauist's post

I'm a terrain nut. I try to buy at least one kit of every different flavour of scifi terrain GW makes. I spend more money on my terrain than some people spend on their army. scratch-built terrain rarely looks as good to me. I think the most impressive terrain builds I've seen over the years are always a mix of GW terrain bits and some scratch built stuff around them for fleshing things out.

YMMV

I'm the same, detailed terrain is my jam.

I have (had?) a couple of the early FW imperial Armour modelling books, worth getting hold of for some of the layouts shown, very inspiring

Cyel wrote:
Hey, don't badmouth empty cans! I even finished painting some a couple of days ago (first 2025 project finished ...damn, calling it that doesn't sound that well now...) to go with my ITD walls when I want to use them for a more open board.

Tin cans are a terrain evergreen for a reason!

That is incredible!

Far beyond my skills, but enough to be inspiring !

daisy666 wrote:


Far beyond my skills, but enough to be inspiring !

Thank you!

But... I am normally not into saying "oh, it's nothing special" but in this case it absolutely is and it isn't beyond anyone's skills. There's not a single careful, deliberate brushstroke there, it's crude, simple tools applied in a crude, simple manner in the minimum of time. For example for the cans themselves it's black spray on everything, some white spray from the top (zenithal), then slapping on two Contrast paints (orange and brown) with a big, old brush, some transfers and then applying more orange and silver with a piece ripped out of a bathroom sponge.

Any rumours or leaks about the badly needed balance patch?

Or the next box set?

Cyel wrote:
Any rumours or leaks about the badly needed balance patch?

What's wrong with the game?

Well, we had a finely tuned over many years of balancing, very well working game with MAYBE a couple of very minor changes left for it to be perfect.

So naturally GW decided it's time to throw it all in the trash bin and create a new edition that introduces a lot of unnecessary changes for the worse, doesn't even introduce these few that MAYBE were desirable and throws the entire balance of factions through the window in one fell swoop (even though during KT21 they kept saying balance changes are done with extreme care to avoid overtuning).

So, yeah, there's that.

Nothing specific, then?

Balance-wise, it's very bad. Elite teams are vastly too strong with Legionaries and Warpcoven to the extreme. A lot of teams are lagging behind the median in an extreme way too.

My other gameplay criticisms (note:unlike the balance issues, these are subjective) were voiced twice in this thread already, with zero discussion: everybody apparently only in the business of buying not playing this game. I am not going to reapeat it for the third time just to hear crickets again.

Weird, as in my country KT is the bees knees, probably beating AoS in popularity. On Dakka all KT topics in the "other gw games" section are ignored in favour of 10mm scale games.

Is it all because of the new reaction mechanics? Elite teams being constantly out-activated probably benefit the most from those