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When I had a 2e Ork army, I used the shokk attack gun every game. It was amazingly effective. I dont remember all the details, but I know 2 out of the 6 results on the dreadnought chart took the dread out of action and two others did something else to it.

1) My personal pick has to be Necron Destroyers/Tomb Blades. When originally released, Destroyers were essentially Jetbikes, but they reanimated back into Warriors (if in range) which helped define their battlefield role. I had zero issue with them moving to true 'Necron' models until they released Tomb Blades. We removed a bike unit to introduce... a bike unit. With no need to address physics like Inertial or G Forces, and no need for a sealed cockpit environment, they were treated like a small fighter-style attack craft. This would've been great if they would've gained the ability to address flyers when that mechanic was introduced.

2) The Wraithknight. I was fine with the Wraithknight as a concept, but getting a lower ranked name than the much smaller Wraithlords?

3) Imperial/Chaos Knights. Great for the Narrative games, should never have been allowed in Tournament 40k. No big deal since that's gone too.

Mention: Doomrider. Yeah, that just didn't work out.

Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

I'd forgotten about the bunker. They could've just made a plastic Deathstorm drop pod...

Karol wrote:
Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

Concerning the Reavers....
That's not true at all!
I quite intentionally picked up a 10x used & really poorly painted squad the othrr week for cheap (about 1/2retail)
I did so because I needed the bitz from about 1/2 of them for a project.
And the unused minis I tossed into my KT box.
Now why thier original owner wanted them is anyone's guess.

 Haighus wrote:
I'd forgotten about the bunker. They could've just made a plastic Deathstorm drop pod...

Instead they made a bunker that looks.like its just been deployed like a drop pod... but you can't deep strike the sucker.

Karol wrote:
Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

Now, now; there's absolutely nothing silly about the concept of a fortification being deployed from orbit without any sort of shielding for it's exposed heavy flamers, and significantly less aerodynamism than a houseboat.

Oh if we’re talking wholly bonkers, impractical and possibly suicidal to use?

Have….have you met the Skaven before?

Exploding telephones! Weapons Teams which depending on your luck are probably more of a threat to you than your opponent! Giant turbo hamster wheels which spit of lightning to land where it may, but typically within your own units! ‘Orrid death gas which is really good at killing your own troops!

And whilst contentious, I for one love the End Times books (still have my complete, original, hardback set), where Skaven end up accidentally prank calling a Craftworld.


Skaven. The only race where life is cheaper than in The Imperium.

 Hellebore wrote:
So if you're giving literally every oversized warhammer in all GW media a pass except the elf one, then it's knife ear bigotry my friend.... :p

Pointy-eared gits are over-represented in pretty much every game, especially compared the gloriously-bearded shorter folk.

I think Sly Marbo is definitely up there.

No, him being on that list is not a bad thing. He's the good kind of 'turn your brain off' lore, and he's an interesting character, despite how little he's shown in official publications.

Col. Dash wrote:
When I had a 2e Ork army, I used the shokk attack gun every game. It was amazingly effective. I dont remember all the details, but I know 2 out of the 6 results on the dreadnought chart took the dread out of action and two others did something else to it.

Likewise, my SAG was a standard fixture of my 2nd ed Ork army, and it more than paid for itself.

Karol wrote:
Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

I have never seen anyone buy fortification in my life

The aforementioned Space Marine Starcraft Bunker and probably the Orks' Big 'Ead Bossbunka are a couple of the dumbest units in 40k, particularly the Ork one. Also Primaris Suppressors. People complain about the T-shirt launcher guys, but not the flying "totally not compensating for something" cannon-toting dudes?

Nyxxi wrote:

Karol wrote:
Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

I have never seen anyone buy fortification in my life

There are a bunch of Knight players who own fortifications because they filled In points on their list....

...or so they tell me.

Well….theres some fightin’ talk!

Whilst the model is at worst middling? The Big ‘Ead Bossbunka is a work of pure background win.

Gargants of any stripe are universally considered as manifestations of Gork and Mork.

It makes Orky sense for a Warlord, rising, established or dominant, to adopt any wreckage as their forward HQ, regardless of consequence, on account Orks don’t really care about consequence.

Where Gork and/or Mork failed? I is so Orky, I’ll occupy their bonce and get the ladz to push ever further.

Because Gork/Mork ain’t got perished. Only delayed. And because my great idea was to occupy and push forward, which lead to loads and loads of really good fights, I must be great.

Whoever decided to give the Scots, Ork accents....

.... in all seriousness, Grot Tanks. They sound cool (if you're into foul xenos armor), but they are a little lackluster.

Not the worst. Not the best, just hovering in the middle... Kinda like Ork Armies altogether.

As someone who has spent many a happy hour playing Dawn of War and Dawn of War II, I can't hate on the Hammerfall Bunker - I even own one, though I've yet to build it.

I tend to take a view that the side guns are retracted inside the bunker during descent, and emerge from firing ports once it has landed.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Whoever decided to give the Scots, Ork accents....

.... in all seriousness, Grot Tanks. They sound cool (if you're into foul xenos armor), but they are a little lackluster.

Not the worst. Not the best, just hovering in the middle... Kinda like Ork Armies altogether.

Yoo. Squiggin’. Wot?

Orkses ‘ave cockernee accents, like Mr Van D in Mary Poppins.

Only real gents like wot I are, am has Scots accents. Cockernee is for common folk.

Though some points for using Scots instead of Scotch

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Nyxxi wrote:

Karol wrote:
Probably a tie between the Primaris Reavers and Primaris Bunker. Units that no one asked for, no one wants, that have no reason to be bought, used etc.

I have never seen anyone buy fortification in my life

There are a bunch of Knight players who own fortifications because they filled In points on their list....

...or so they tell me.

Not relevant to the hammerfall bunker, but historically a lot of fortifications hit the table in 6th, due to them being the only AA fire some people had access to for a long time

1. I was referring to the 80 pt. Sacristan Forgeshrine that existed up until the 10th index. Which knight players enjoyed an 80 point giant piece of terrain to hide behind. Because it was pretty useless... unless you brought your Tech priest from another army with you.


2. I now understand that "Mad Doc" auto wins the "True Scotsman" game.

I was taught by a fellow from Glasgow, the easiest way to figure our where you are in Europe:
Walk into any pub, and say, "I love your pretty French accents." If you're still alive, you're in France.

Marine bikes - they don't look like they could steer given the truck wheels, and it'll be virtually impossible to aim. They also don't fit in with the 40K scale (Epic is fine) because for them to actually make sense as bikes they'd have a movement of more than a board length. They make sense in the Mad Max ripoff game but that's about it.

Lets take a nimble piece of mobile infantry, turn it into a tank and then drive it at walking pace. That'll show someone, somehow!

Whilst ranting about marines - why are all the vehicles staffed by actual power armoured marines? It makes them look even stupider, like an adult on a kids fairground ride and it's not as if they routinely disembark. Surely they'd use servitors/acolytes/humans or at a push injured marines.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Uhhh it seems that it would be odd for units not to have large hammers in a game called Warhammer.

It'd be nice if there were any actual war hammers (some Empire/Bretonian knights had them about 30 years ago?) and not mauls, though.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Since it's now all of Warhammer, I'm gonna toss in the stupid Cow-Hat High Elves from Age of Sigmar. There is no amount of elven grace that make those things work me. EVER.

Cow Hat? I'm not familiar with this... but I'm intrigued (and dumb) enough to open the Necronomicon, and ask "what do they look like?"

Spoiler:

They start with your basic tall elven helm, then add even more height, and then massive horns sticking out the side at the top. Like, the helmet looks to be around the same height as their entire leg.

How do those helmets stay on if they move? Even without swinging those things round. They must have epic neck muscles.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Whoever decided to give the Scots, Ork accents....

.... in all seriousness, Grot Tanks. They sound cool (if you're into foul xenos armor), but they are a little lackluster.

Not the worst. Not the best, just hovering in the middle... Kinda like Ork Armies altogether.

Yoo. Squiggin’. Wot?

Orkses ‘ave cockernee accents, like Mr Van D in Mary Poppins.

'xactly. Scots happen to sound just like Dwarves. Something to do with the beards and ale, I think.

Wait has anyone said the Dark Angels Escalade yet?



Cause we have to say something about the Dark Angels Escalade, something like, where is the turret gunner's legs? Or is he like an amputee turned gun servitor?

he just happens to be really flexible, and they are threaded back into the main hull like he's a seal. An angry, heavily armoured seal.

An old one, but the squats battle train. That or the Lord of Skulls.

The problem with some 40k units being called dumb is that there's like a point where something becomes so dumb, that it can start to turn hilariously epic.

The issue that 40k will always have is the sci-fi esthetic.

In fantasy games, you can have zany, nutty things that don't make a lick of sense (homing pigeon bombs and giant hamster balls) but you can go with it....

On 40k, you have the sci-fi feel, where you can't help but wonder, is this a possible future, could we have this some day... which leads to...

Why, gods of woe, why, would they build something like this?

I think that's the real issue here.

Eh... the poster melee weapon is a chainsword, which is extremely stupid for several reasons.
Plus you know all the Fantasy stuff in Space stuff: Elves, Orcs, Daemons, Dwarfs.

40k has never tried to be a "possible future".

Edit: and don't get me started on 40k vehicle design, they are all awful from a realistic perspective. Which doesn't mean they are bad, awful but cool makes for fun and iconic designs. Just don't take them as a serious attempt at speculative sci-fi.

I felt that 40k was the same tongue firmly in cheek future in the same mold as 2000ADs Judge Dredd, which was 1980s Americana told only as it could be from the wisened eyes of the Brits.

The issue there is that 40k is using Judge's Dredds aesthetic as inspiration without understanding its themes, which makes a weird case of broken telephone.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
The issue that 40k will always have is the sci-fi esthetic.

In fantasy games, you can have zany, nutty things that don't make a lick of sense (homing pigeon bombs and giant hamster balls) but you can go with it....

On 40k, you have the sci-fi feel, where you can't help but wonder, is this a possible future, could we have this some day... which leads to...

Why, gods of woe, why, would they build something like this?

I think that's the real issue here.

Nah, I don't think so. The only faction that has a Sci-Fi-aesthetic are the Tau and that's exactly the reason why a part of the community still dislikes them . Even Necrons today are more tomb kings in space than Terminator.

Heck original Necrons had a LOT of Egyptian iconography going on for them. They were very literally TombKings in Space. Modern Necrons are, design wise, quite a good bit removed from that. It's still here and there in their designs, but its far less overt/bold than it was back with the original designs.