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I have a small selection of AT Titans, since I really enjoy the game, but I called ahead to the shop that is closest to my new place and they play Li there... no AT "presence " as the employee put it.

I've heard a lot of negative reviews of Titans in Li, is it worth playing with my Titans or will I just be disappointed?

I currently don't want to buy a bunch of new models for another system.

You'll mainly be disappointed. LI with titans is a handful of HP bars with guns that don't behave particularly different from any other tank or vehicle. Epics generally are built for combined arms and while you can play them with titans only, it'll often be slightly awkward. They are meant to be supporting units for a larger army of smaller things.

You could probably run all titans and have more fun with a very big game and thus a lot more titan models than you'd be able to practically use in an AT game.

Titandeath as the titan only game mode fixes a few of the big glaring issues with titans in the standard mode, but still doesn't measure up well with AT. Fun for very big games (my last titandeath game was 6kv6k).

I've houseruled it so you can take tanks in the game (no infantry), and it makes titans tough and scary.

It is possible but I would really recommend to field a support/allied formation of at least 20 stands of infantry. Just with that it could work.

My Titan army for both games is the following...

1 Reaver
2 Hounds
2 Cerastus Knights

...with the option for a larger titan for AT, or a box of infantry for LI. So basically the AT starter set, a box of marine/solar infantry and a copy of the LI core rules.

Sorted.

Just to end my confusion. Do I need to buy infantry or tanks for Li?

If I do, I'm going to have to pass on the game for a bit. Financials being what they are.

Its not required, no. The rules for all titan armies are included in the Rise of the Dark Mechanicum book, as are knight only forces.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just to end my confusion. Do I need to buy infantry or tanks for Li?

If I do, I'm going to have to pass on the game for a bit. Financials being what they are.

No, but it won't hurt....

They're not using the old Space Marine rules for Titans?

Sherrypie has pretty much said my own thoughts on Titans in Legions.

There are two ways this is often commented on a) Titans are not very effective in games of Legions/unless very specific combinations of titan and armament are used they are points inefficient.
b) in terms of rule mechanics they are just not very fun to play with, and there is not much of a game there.

Focussing just on point B, I would say that aside from perhaps Armageddon, Titans are the least interesting or fun to play with in Legions compared to any other version of Epic or Adeptus Titanicus itself. As said, they are just multiwound weapon platforms.

I think if you're looking for an excuse to paint up some Titans (for which only the tiniest of excuses should be needed, as they are such great minis) by all means use the Legions rules. But I would be much more inclined to get a cheap Adeptus Titanicus rulebook off eBay, you'll have a much more fulfilling game. Or even download the NetEpic rules for free, the hit charts and damage tables will at least add some character, fun and narrative to the game.

The Epic Armageddon rules are still the gold standard, but the Titan/War Engine rules were the worst part of it. It's weird to see they seem to have kept it in Li (the chemical symbol for Lithium? Why...)

 Pacific wrote:

Focussing just on point B, I would say that aside from perhaps Armageddon, Titans are the least interesting or fun to play with in Legions compared to any other version of Epic or Adeptus Titanicus itself. As said, they are just multiwound weapon platforms.

I think if you're looking for an excuse to paint up some Titans (for which only the tiniest of excuses should be needed, as they are such great minis) by all means use the Legions rules. But I would be much more inclined to get a cheap Adeptus Titanicus rulebook off eBay, you'll have a much more fulfilling game. Or even download the NetEpic rules for free, the hit charts and damage tables will at least add some character, fun and narrative to the game.

do you mean Epic 40K (3rd ed)??? Epic: Armageddon has very simplified rules for titans (wound counter, and one critical hit).

Epic 40k (3rd ed), despite having simplified and abstracted rules for troops, had very detailed rules for war engines and Titans (critical hits, charts, catastrophic impact ¿?).

Nomeny wrote:
The Epic Armageddon rules are still the gold standard, but the Titan/War Engine rules were the worst part of it. It's weird to see they seem to have kept it in Li (the chemical symbol for Lithium? Why...)

I would not say "worst". They go well with the overall theme. Not very detailed in order to keep the game flowing as a combined arms battle. I am glad they are also like that in LI for two reasons: keep it abstracted and simplified (there are also infantry, vehicles, aircraft on the table, please do not overload on titans) and keep it way different than Adeptus Titanicus.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just to end my confusion. Do I need to buy infantry or tanks for Li?

If I do, I'm going to have to pass on the game for a bit. Financials being what they are.

Lathe, tell us what Titans you currently own, and if that includes any Knights.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just to end my confusion. Do I need to buy infantry or tanks for Li?

If I do, I'm going to have to pass on the game for a bit. Financials being what they are.

Lathe, tell us what Titans you currently own, and if that includes any Knights.

Here's my list for my Adeptus Titanicus force.


Legio Crucius Battlegroup – 1750 (even)
Maniple: Ruptura

Nemesis Warbringer Titan – 475
Sword of Ryza
Princeps Seniores – Iron Clad Tyrant
Belicosa Volcano Cannon
Laser Blaster
Volcano Cannon
Bi-Folded Power Containment
Tracking Gyroscopes

Nemesis Warbringer Titan – 440
Aegis of Terra
Mori Quake Cannon
Laser Blaster
Volcano Cannon
Bi-Folded Power Containment
Tracking Gyroscopes

Reaver Titan – 310
Primus Secutar
Vulcan Mega Bolter
Melta Cannon
Gatling Blaster

Reaver Titan – 325
Astramos Mortis Æternem
Vulcan Mega Bolter
Reaver Chainfist
Melta Cannon
Bastion Shielding

Support Knight Banner
Knight Atrapos Banner – 200
2 × Knight Atrapos
Virealis
Grievous Insult

Edit: I also have some tiny unpainted Armigers, that I got from a buddy. Not sure why you wound want to use them.

So basically what you have there are two maniples....

Ruptura Maniple( minimum of 2 Warbringers )
Corsair Maniple( minimum of 2 Reavers )

...with each able to take an optional, single Knight. Or you can just lump them all together into a single Ruptura Maniple( 2 Warbringers, 2 Reavers, 1 Atropos ), with the second Atropos as a "Strategtic Asset" Knight Banner and your Armigers can be attached to that Atropos( basically your allied support. ).

Unless you're planning to purchase any mechanicum units, you'd be wasting your money on Rise of the Dark Mechanicum as the information I've provided above is all you'll get out of it anyway. You'll basically just be putting your collection on the table and not getting any special rules out of it.

With that in mind, two purchases should be on your radar...

The core rule book. All the Knights and Titans are covered and a quick google of "leigons Imperialis legio formations" should take you to the Adeptus Titanicus Wiki which includes a review of all the formations used in the game. If not, Goonhammer also gives up the goose in their review of Rise of the Dark Mechanicum. The core book is the only book you need and you'd be better off putting it towards the next purchase...

A single box of marine or solar infantry. This one purchase will immediately improve the game and give a proper sense of scale for your Titan models. You can also use them as decoration for Adeptus Titanicus, or to represent the Titan-Hunters strategem.