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I was really expecting those cool giant Dreadnought sized automata from 30k...

These robots will not be converting me to Chaos (now that I know the promise of cookies are a lie ).

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I was really expecting those cool giant Dreadnought sized automata from 30k...

These robots will not be converting me to Chaos (now that I know the promise of cookies are a lie ).

They're not a lie... you're just not likely to ever get them due to a rather premature case of dying horribly or being turned into a Spawn. You certainly might get them... eventually.. if you're really good...

If you do get them, the chocolate chips will be arbitrarily removed, since you have to have different cookies to other legions.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you do get them, the chocolate chips will be arbitrarily removed, since you have to have different cookies to other legions.

Yeah, the addition of those ugly robots strongly suggests we're gonna lose Predators and Vindicators.

If there's enough vehicles for a vehicle detachment (not a transport one like Slaanesh), and it sounds like Tzeentch is also losing it's chariots, I'm not sure I'd take that bet.
Especially when daemons engines also have the daemon keyword.

Those robots look more like Adeptus Titanicus/Epic models - too static and clumsy for 40k scale,

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you do get them, the chocolate chips will be arbitrarily removed, since you have to have different cookies to other legions.

Yeah, the addition of those ugly robots strongly suggests we're gonna lose Predators and Vindicators.

If that's all Thousand Sons lose, they'll have got off extremely lucky.

Put those Cultists, Helbrutes, Terminator Sorcerors, Defilers, and Forge-/Maulerfeinds on watch.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you do get them, the chocolate chips will be arbitrarily removed, since you have to have different cookies to other legions.

Yeah, the addition of those ugly robots strongly suggests we're gonna lose Predators and Vindicators.

If that's all Thousand Sons lose, they'll have got off extremely lucky.

Put those Cultists, Helbrutes, Terminator Sorcerors, Defilers, and Forge-/Maulerfeinds on watch.

I'm not sure about that. I think that the Emperor's Children lost at least some of those units because the writers thought that they would be too powerful with the Thrill Seekers rule. It's not a good reason, as they just could have written in the codex that vehicles can't benefit from that rule, but still, I think that's why it happened. I just checked the website, and cultists are no longer under the TS roster, so I think that that is going to be taken away. It's the same with the Death Guard. I think what's going to happen is that EC, DG, and TS are all going to get their own unique cultist units.

I assume any new TS cultist models will be armed with Dustpans and Brooms.

Hurry! You must gather the fallen Rubrics' dust, before... oh no! Our most hated of foes! Wind!




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 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I was really expecting those cool giant Dreadnought sized automata from 30k...

These robots will not be converting me to Chaos (now that I know the promise of cookies are a lie ).

They're not a lie... you're just not likely to ever get them due to a rather premature case of dying horribly or being turned into a Spawn. You certainly might get them... eventually.. if you're really good...

Wait, what type of cookies did you get?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm not sure about that. I think that the Emperor's Children lost at least some of those units because the writers thought that they would be too powerful with the Thrill Seekers rule. It's not a good reason, as they just could have written in the codex that vehicles can't benefit from that rule, but still, I think that's why it happened. I just checked the website, and cultists are no longer under the TS roster, so I think that that is going to be taken away. It's the same with the Death Guard. I think what's going to happen is that EC, DG, and TS are all going to get their own unique cultist units.

It's really weird, because parts of the background section of the EC codex mention warbands that have "covens of mortal Slaanesh worshippers in their thrall" and "detachments of battle tanks and combat walkers" (page 17), and there's even a picture of a Slaanesh dreadnought looming over terminators on page 32! Some weird-looking sonic weapon turret on a rhino chassis on page 31, as well. Why did they not omit/edit those references if they were to fully purge such things from the faction?

Because then they don't need to change the Codex Background information when they release new kits for the army. They are basically telegraphing future releases through fully fleshed out background.

Now that all 4 god specific books are out, hopefully they can do more balanced releases to expand each army without having to do an entire range for one book and limited releases for the others.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that all 4 god specific books are out, hopefully they can do more balanced releases to expand each army without having to do an entire range for one book and limited releases for the others.

The 'limited release' probably has little to do with balancing the releases, model-wise. I mean, look at the Loyalists - they're all getting refreshes (so far). No reason they couldn't do the same for Chaos, especially since Tyranids, Guard, and Eldar have also received huge updates.

 dreadblade wrote:

demontalons wrote:
Updated the first post with adepticon reveals

Meh to the robots. However, what do folks think about running a Lord of Change as part of the army?

I already had that option, so....??
Ok, it did require the tax of also bringing along a unit of Blue/Pink Horrors.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that all 4 god specific books are out, hopefully they can do more balanced releases to expand each army without having to do an entire range for one book and limited releases for the others.

The 'limited release' probably has little to do with balancing the releases, model-wise. I mean, look at the Loyalists - they're all getting refreshes (so far). No reason they couldn't do the same for Chaos, especially since Tyranids, Guard, and Eldar have also received huge updates.

I’ll warn you now, the following may suggest I’m wearing millinery made from a thin metal, but if I am, I swear it’s being worn at a rakish (possibly foppish) angle.

But.

I’m beginning to wonder how The Studio/The Powers That Be view Chaos.

See, The Imperium is clearly split up across Marines, Guard, Sisters, Custards, Knights, Mechanicus and Imperial Agents. And Marines in particular are then sub-divided. And there’s usually a fair old amount of releases across them, marking them as Separate Parts of A Wider Whole.

But, when we look at Chaos Releases? Maybe it’s just viewed as Chaos. Not Legions and Renegades, Chaos Knights and Daemons. That each Codex is part of the whole. I say that as, if we do the same? Chaos doesn’t typically hurt for releases in a given Edition, they’re just kinda spread out. And in a way highly frustrating for players of a specific Legion. Certainly Chaos kinda feels like it’s still getting the 3rd/4th Ed treatment, where your Codex is a sub-Codex in principle.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Now that all 4 god specific books are out, hopefully they can do more balanced releases to expand each army without having to do an entire range for one book and limited releases for the others.

The 'limited release' probably has little to do with balancing the releases, model-wise. I mean, look at the Loyalists - they're all getting refreshes (so far). No reason they couldn't do the same for Chaos, especially since Tyranids, Guard, and Eldar have also received huge updates.

I’ll warn you now, the following may suggest I’m wearing millinery made from a thin metal, but if I am, I swear it’s being worn at a rakish (possibly foppish) angle.

But.

I’m beginning to wonder how The Studio/The Powers That Be view Chaos.

See, The Imperium is clearly split up across Marines, Guard, Sisters, Custards, Knights, Mechanicus and Imperial Agents. And Marines in particular are then sub-divided. And there’s usually a fair old amount of releases across them, marking them as Separate Parts of A Wider Whole.

But, when we look at Chaos Releases? Maybe it’s just viewed as Chaos. Not Legions and Renegades, Chaos Knights and Daemons. That each Codex is part of the whole. I say that as, if we do the same? Chaos doesn’t typically hurt for releases in a given Edition, they’re just kinda spread out. And in a way highly frustrating for players of a specific Legion. Certainly Chaos kinda feels like it’s still getting the 3rd/4th Ed treatment, where your Codex is a sub-Codex in principle.

I'd agree with this, their language over the last decade is very consistent and much like the preview image last year it was "treats for chaos". Many have, like myself, interpreted that as "treats for all of the chaos factions". What GW seemed to mean was "have an EC release and that's good for all of you right?!"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

See, The Imperium is clearly split up across Marines, Guard, Sisters, Custards, Knights, Mechanicus and Imperial Agents. And Marines in particular are then sub-divided. And there’s usually a fair old amount of releases across them, marking them as Separate Parts of A Wider Whole.

But, when we look at Chaos Releases? Maybe it’s just viewed as Chaos. Not Legions and Renegades, Chaos Knights and Daemons. That each Codex is part of the whole. I say that as, if we do the same? Chaos doesn’t typically hurt for releases in a given Edition, they’re just kinda spread out. And in a way highly frustrating for players of a specific Legion. Certainly Chaos kinda feels like it’s still getting the 3rd/4th Ed treatment, where your Codex is a sub-Codex in principle.

I'm not convinced that the Imperial factions are split up that way. I think GW treat 'space marines' and 'other imperials' as two separate buckets:

Space Marines: After the edition launch focus has been on the DA/BA/SW ranges, while others vary from nothing (Deathwatch) to single model or upgrade sprue (GK/BT?).

Other Imperial: Guard got the lion's share this edition at ~10 kits, with single models each for Sisters, Custodes, Knights, AdMech and Imperial Agents.

Xenos: By the end of 10th I expect this will be the largest bucket after marines, with medium-sized releases that look to be spread around several factions. Tyranids / Tau / Eldar have the most so far, with more expected for Votann and possibly DE / Corsairs.

Chaos: The new EC range brought 7 kits, CSM get 2 characters, with 1 kit each for the other factions.

Overall it still looks like Chaos are getting the least support, but after the edition launch the numbers are much closer across these four categories. This would explain why factions like Grey Knights aren't getting needed updates right now... they're competing against the long-standing marine chapters for this edition who are getting their first major overhauls since 5th/6th.

Kill Team has acted as a bit of an equaliser lately, with the last few boxes favouring Other Imperial & Xenos (and no Space Marines since 2023). Hopefully we see more Chaos KTs to help balance things out.

Not counting the team in the starter there, xttz?

 Dysartes wrote:
Not counting the team in the starter there, xttz?

The KT starter? No, those weren't new models.

Given the leak of world eaters we can make some educated guesses on some of our crossover units.

1/ So far EC and WE have had a rhino based detachment. If death guard also get one it would appear that that’s a thing they want for us now.

2/ Foot Princes with Lone Op if near infantry are also WE and EC specific so far.

3/ Rhinos with new legion specific special rules so far have been very fluffy and effective.

4/ It looks like they’re not doing a purge of vehicles as we thought when EC came out. I quite like the way they made world eaters vehicles feel more world eaters with lower BS but rerolls of shooting nearest enemy and rapid fire.

5/ they seem to have detachments more focused on making certain groups of units better within the legions as opposed to fluff based archetypes. So far we know we are getting a vehicle based detachment/demons/ and reworked magic. My guess is our other 2 detachments are a rubric/terminator based one and the other is a tzaangor/spawn/vortex based one.

Fresh leaks (take with salt etc etc)

Tson Leaks(Semi Verified)
Army rule
4 spells, doombolt, double move, full rerolls against a unit, and unkown
Any psyker may cast
2d6 or take d3 to get 3d6 on the cast
Once succeeded a spell can’t be used until next turn


Overall changes
Weapons(I assume bolters) are back to baseline ap 2


Units
Magnus is +2 to cast, supposedly nerfed but cheaper

Ahriman
+1 to cast
Redeploy 3 rule

Thousand Son Sorcerer
Has a +d3 attack/strength once per battle ability

Exalted sorcerer
Revive

Winged prince
6” deepstrike and conditional charge(has to sacrifice a buff)

Foot Demon prince
Keeps glamour aura
Some casting buff
Lone op while within in 3” of a unit

Sekhetar
Flamer+Hellfyre missile racks, and either claw or melta
Hellfyre has blast now
Infiltrate/-1 to hit ability(could be stealth)
Hit on 4+
Sqauds of 2-4

Scarab Occult Terminators
Hellfyre has blast now

Rubric Marines
6” move

Tzaangors
6” scout and return to reserves if not within 9” ability

Enlightened split into 2 sheets
Spears have mortals on the charge
Bowman have reactive fallback

Rhino
Ability to tag unit then give a buff(either +1 to hit and wound or rerolls, conflicting sources)


Detachments

Vehicle Detachment
Vehicles may reroll 1 dice of 1 once per phase, while within 6” of a psyker reroll 1 dice of anything once per phase and explode on 5+
Enhancment for warpsmith style
Strategem for sticky mortals

Mutant Detachment
When attacked take d3 reroll saves of 1
When attacking take d3 mortals to reroll wounds of 1
Makes tzaangors battleine, +1 oc
Strat for a 4++

Rubric Detachment
All is dust for detachment rule
Strat to reduce damage by 1(making 2 damage weapons affected by all is dust)

Index-Like
Same rules as index
Options other than devs seemed to have been buffed
All options once per game now
Enhancment for umbralific crystal
Destined by Fate retained

Daemon Detachment
Allied daemons may cast army rule spells

I'm glad enlightened are still in the army, as they aren't in the TS section of the GW website.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm glad enlightened are still in the army, as they aren't in the TS section of the GW website.

That's because they're Age of Sigmar models with token 40k rules.

God I hope those leaks are fake. Casting rolls? That was one of the main problems with the army being so swingy in previous editions. Then only four spells that can only be used once? If you fail and can’t try to use elsewhere that would be trash.

Maybe your Geth robots from Mass Effect will be really good, and you can overlook some minor issues, like the rest of your army not being any good.

(I think this is a sign to play Space Wolves. )

 xeen wrote:
God I hope those leaks are fake. Casting rolls?

Wait until GW copies these casting rules into the GK codex too

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Maybe your Geth robots from Mass Effect will be really good, and you can overlook some minor issues, like the rest of your army not being any good.

(I think this is a sign to play Space Wolves. )

When the 1kSons players get tired of you and make you dissappear, can I have your knights?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Maybe your Geth robots from Mass Effect will be really good, and you can overlook some minor issues, like the rest of your army not being any good.

(I think this is a sign to play Space Wolves. )

For as ugly as they are, they'll need to be good to sell well.

Also:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Maybe your Geth robots from Mass Effect will be really good, and you can overlook some minor issues, like the rest of your army not being any good.

(I think this is a sign to play Space Wolves. )

For as ugly as they are, they'll need to be good to sell well.

Also:

I'd honestly not be surprised to see people converting UR-025 models, despite the cost. They are the right size and look FAR better.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd honestly not be surprised to see people converting UR-025 models, despite the cost. They are the right size and look FAR better.

I hadn't thought of that. Its not a bad idea if you can get them at the right price.

I had thought that Thallax would be a good alternative though. There must be a good way to make the jump jets look like a multi-launch rocket pods