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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

IIRC, there were 1 or 2 successor chapters, Wolf Brothers and somebody else?
But they didn't prosper, and the Adeptus Terra doesn't use their gene seed for new foundings.

There was one successor, they went mad and nothing else was done as SW being away from Fenris for too long results in major problems hence any chapter using their gene seed would need to return once in a while

Thats old lore, theres now several primaris Space Wolf successor chapters, most notably the Wolfspear, but also the Moon Eaters and Icefangs

lets see if those stay, as there are also technically no Primaris Grey Hunters in the current lore but the new Codex has them

which is basically what I am most curious about, what parts of the lore get adjusted with the new book as the stuff about Cawl solving all gene seed problems with Primaris is gone

 Quixote wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

I don't know if any story published that had newly manufactured power armour, virtually all marines were wearing suits hundred or thousands of years old and continually patching them.

But even then, if power armour is churned out then why do all other marines restrict it to full battle brothers? If it's that easy to get then everyone could start out in it. Any positive for survival of a blood claws applies to any other neophytes.

By simple numbers the spaces deploy a third to half again as much power armour into the field as any other chapter because all their neophytes are in it and their scouts are rare elites.

And every neophyte gets a suit, not just some. There aren't neophytes waiting or wearing scout armour in the meantime, they all get a suit and are never not able to get one. Each great company recruits it's own neophytes and equips them independently of one another, unlike other chapters were they are all integrated together and yet still have enough suits.

And people missing the point that Space Wolves are have a Forge on Fenris and produce everything on their own

They can get fresh Power Armour for their recruits because they produce it on Fenris and don't need to ask the AM for supplies like other Chapters

Another point is that other Chapters have a tradition that one needs to earn them the right to wear armour, which isn't a supply issue either

but in general, 90% of the background falls apart of one ask to many questions because the whole thing of everything being a 10k year old relic that is hard to get, while at the same time billions are lost every second is just over the top story telling to make everything sound more awesome without ever had a thought wasted on how that should work

 Hellebore wrote:

I don't know if any story published that had newly manufactured power armour, virtually all marines were wearing suits hundred or thousands of years old and continually patching them.

As I stated, Outer Dark. The Mechanicus delivers brand new, unpainted power armor, terminator armor, and vehicles(including a Land Raider) to the Sharks and do so fairly regularly in exchange for relics found during their missions. They're known as Grey Tithes among the Sharks.

Going forward it would be nice to have something other than competitive-wargame-edition-grind to offer. Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest at the very least...

SamusDrake wrote:
Going forward it would be nice to have something other than competitive-wargame-edition-grind to offer. Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest at the very least...

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

 Quixote wrote:

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

You mean the competitive wargame without the edition grind?

SamusDrake wrote:

 Quixote wrote:

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

You mean the competitive wargame without the edition grind?

That's the one.

The game where we get new models and new rules in a completely different game's boxes.

I keep buying Legion Imperialis boxes, and Tipping them over like a box of crackerjacks looking for the free prize inside. There's the dashboard I need!

 Quixote wrote:


That's the one.

The game where we get new models and new rules in a completely different game's boxes.

I keep buying Legion Imperialis boxes, and Tipping them over like a box of crackerjacks looking for the free prize inside. There's the dashboard I need!

So damn true!

On the one hand I'd like to see a new edition of AT to at least revamp the Knight rules, but on the other there's something "underground-scene-cool" that it's current edition is now 6+ years old and still rocking a good value starter set.

But while AT and LI are my jam for classic competitive wargaming, it's certainly not the only thing I'd want to see in these previews. While I have been looking at MESBG, I think I'd only buy the models as one only needs so many comp-wargames in their life. That game has also launched with a new edition firmly aimed at the competitive crowd, even though it's bread & butter is supposed to be narrative.

Golden demon winners

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zvwn30fc/golden-demon-2025-winners-revealed-at-adepticon/


So many good entries this year.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Golden demon winners

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zvwn30fc/golden-demon-2025-winners-revealed-at-adepticon/


So many good entries this year.

Is that guy's surname REALLY "Orcbutt"?

Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm loving the Cathay stuff... Anyone know how newer Old World releases scale with the older stuff? Are they keeping to the classic scale, or going with the more modern upsized scaling?

Everything they’ve released so far has pretty much fit the scale. But it’s been mostly characters on foot so easy to do. But the Bret peg character and bone dragon were to scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

Probably referring to how they are all the same style. All very clean, all the same sort of highlighting and shading, all kind of blend together when you scroll past them.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

Probably referring to how they are all the same style. All very clean, all the same sort of highlighting and shading, all kind of blend together when you scroll past them.

You could make that comment every year. A certain style comes from competition painting. I'm going to have to disagree, I think most have managed to be unique.

Have to say, I miss the days when the models weren't all on giant plinths... They're really distracting.

Other than that, some lovely entries,. It's definitely a more understated style overall compared to some previous years, but there are some very clever pieces in there. Love the smokey Ork/Sister 'duel'.

Does anyone have any idea what the Chaos battleforce prices are? Comparable with the Emperor's children release? Codex included?

They should be around the same as the Guard & EC army sets, but with extra models and no codex / datacards.

I expect them to compare with holiday battleforces price wise. No codex.