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And then the fire nation attacked....


American Billionaire's Noble Savage: The Tech Demo Part III

I couldn't even make it thru the entire trailer without getting bored.

Aw, for a moment I thought it was the other Avatar :(

 Albertorius wrote:
Aw, for a moment I thought it was the other Avatar :(

Strangely, so did I.

So .. it's pretty, as expected, but that trailer is a mess. Looks like a bunch of cut scenes spliced together to advertise a graphics card, rather than any sort of coherent movie.

 Albertorius wrote:
Aw, for a moment I thought it was the other Avatar :(

Me too.

I was disappoint.

I wonder if there will be a coherent script in this one, with characters that can think and make rational decisions...

They're only 0 for 2 so far.

The fire tribe looks neat. The story will probably be plodding and boring. The action might be good.

I can’t wait to see what creatures they plunge their head-tails into this time.

I swear some of the scenes from that trailer were ripped from the second movie.

For all their faults I did enjoy both of the other two Avatar movies. I do hope we see another trailer for this one as I'm confused as to what the story is here (other than the fact that at least one antagonist is a Na'vi leader).

I wanted a firebender series too

This looks like Fire tribe sides with invaders? A riff on the conquest of Mexico?

First thing I'm thinking is we've reached the "colonial powers paying off/manipulating the Native Americans to fight each other" bit of the metaphor for this franchise.

I'll see it if I'm bored.

I'm really indifferent to this series.
The first one was fun. The characters were decent. I'll probably watch it in a few years.

Having had long enough to think about it, I root for the Humans in these movies.

The blue Aliens should have been easily, seen as less than a speed bump in human history, wiped out prior to the events of the first movie.

Chemical and Biological weapons are a thing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wanted a firebender series too

This looks like Fire tribe sides with invaders? A riff on the conquest of Mexico?

Odds the alien hating commander who was resurrected as an alien hooks up with the fire princess?

I wonder if they remember that they're there to yoink unobtanium from the natives. They kind of forgot about that in the second movie. Also, are they now going to forget all about whale brains as well now that the quest for fire is on?

 warhead01 wrote:
The blue Aliens should have been easily, seen as less than a speed bump in human history, wiped out prior to the events of the first movie.

The biggest failing of Avatar is that the same guy is behind it who already knew thirty years earlier that the solution is to nuke them from orbit. The native victory in the first movie is almost Ewok levels grotesque.


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 AduroT wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wanted a firebender series too

This looks like Fire tribe sides with invaders? A riff on the conquest of Mexico?

Odds the alien hating commander who was resurrected as an alien hooks up with the fire princess?

Don't worry. If James Cameron wusses out on us, the Internet's got your back.

 Geifer wrote:
The biggest failing of Avatar is that the same guy is behind it who already knew thirty years earlier that the solution is to nuke them from orbit. The native victory in the first movie is almost Ewok levels grotesque.

I thought it was because the natives weren't facing the Terran military, merely Space Nestlé and a few hired goons. Does Nestlé have nukes?

Also friendly reminder to the ultra far right to please just quit outing themselves in Avatar threads, it's embarrassing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
The biggest failing of Avatar is that the same guy is behind it who already knew thirty years earlier that the solution is to nuke them from orbit. The native victory in the first movie is almost Ewok levels grotesque.

I thought it was because the natives weren't facing the Terran military, merely Space Nestlé and a few hired goons. Does Nestlé have nukes?.

To be fair if they can travel between the stars they can drop rocks which are basically nukes at that point. But to me that was easy enough to hand wave away with the mineral they were after was highly explosive if enough energy is applied. Similar to like Stargates Naquita (or however you spell it). So they had to get down in the mud or their special mineral goes boom.

That said I only managed to watch like 20 minutes of the second one and I doubt I'll get to the third.

The first movie's second half relies entirely on human hubris, which by itself isn't an issue. We do hubris like pros after all. It's set up so the one-sided burning of the big tree gives the colonel or whatever his made up rank is the confidence to fly into the blackout zone and brute force his way to the glowy tree, because savages with bows and arrows can't stand in the way of high tech whirlybirds. Simplistic but relatable, if you don't think about it too hard. But it's already predicated on arrogance blinding the dude to any and all tactical considerations. I guess that could happen?

As an aside, it's a very Cameron thing to do. The Colonial Marines in Aliens get massacred for the most unbelievable reasons because the plot needs it. Same thing, really. Bad military men don't know how to brain, duh.

But back to our regularly scheduled program. The final battle then ends in the corporate dudes marching off to their lander like the natives actually won in a decisive way. Happy end! Hurray! What's to stop them from loading up their remaining ordnance onto the ship they clearly have access to, before it even comes to the blue people arriving at their base at that, a lander that can take them to any height they want all the way up into orbit, where presumably the interstellar vessel waits that gets them back to Earth, aka a fully functional orbital base of operations, and MacGyver a firebomb or two to drop on the glowy tree from a nice safe distance? Something they could have done in the first place if made up colonel dude didn't want to see the fireworks up close. A first semester physics student can calculate that trajectory, and they don't seem to be short on engineers and technical personnel.

But nope. All it took was for the rebels blue people to score one tiny victory and the rest of the Empire evil corporation packs up and goes home so folks can have a victory celebration and go vote or something go back to sticking their head tails where they don't belong.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
For all their faults I did enjoy both of the other two Avatar movies.

They aren't bad movies they are just serviceable. The FX are the shiny keys jangling in front of the racoon that keep its attention for a moment but is soon forgotten. It is like a roller coaster you ride once, enjoy, but have no real motivation to do it again. The only real discussion around them is how much money they made and that no one can remember John Sulllivan's name whereas you still get quotes and anecdotes from Aliens and Terminator and T2 to this day. I enjoyed the 3D and CGI of the original but everything else, especially the hoary old Noble Savage/White Savior tropes, didn't sell it to me enough to shell out money to see Ferngully: Tech Demo II or Dances With Wolves: Tech Demo III.

I'll take excellent or awful over banal any time. Obliviously like anything YMMV.