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Eh, they're competing with all sorts of low attention spans. People get bored with a meta in a matter of months. Constant change is about the only thing that holds people's attention. Personally, I think they've got a pretty good handle on the rate of change, particularly since the core rule updates have been free and its just the same codex churn as always with less of people being forgotten for years on end. I've actually found 10th to be the least disruptive edition since I started playing in 7th. Hope they keep a good handle on it.


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PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I mean, if we end up standing next to power generators, barbicans, ammo caches, Pavlov's House, etc that's going to feel better than controlling arbitrary spots in the open.

This only happens if people take the time to hobby these terrain elements, which you could have always done. There's never been anything preventing you from decorating your circles.

Upside? Nobody is going without a Codex for years and even editions at a time. Well. Hardly nobody. Not sure if we count Inquisition and Lost and the Damned?

Four year cycle would be better. And as covered with new four main game (40K, Heresy, AoS and ToW) perhaps that’s coming. We don’t know yet, as if it is coming we don’t know when that new cycle began.

Charax wrote:
honestly the three year cycle has killed any desire I have to play the game. I keep up with the rules and army composition but I just collect and convert now. By the time I'd get around to collecting and painting an army I'm happy with there's only a little while left before sweeping changes come in. So I have a somewhat academic interest in the new edition and how it changes things but I'm not actually going to play it

Same here. I have played 1 game in 10th. Partly because I didn't want to relearn things when I didn't even get the 9th ed rules down.
Been playing and collecting since before 2nd ed, but the last edition I played regularly was 7th.

Looks like I sit out another edition or two while I work on models I've collected & play other games.
Star Wars Legion and OnePageRules are interesting...

Heh, One Page Rules updates too fast for me, so I stick with their 2.5 edition. All 40K factions and mantic factions represented, PDFs dead short and concise, and not as special rules bloaty as some of the later OPR stuff I've seen.

40K is on another planet in that regard. If I was 20 and had all that free time I'd probably find it okay, but I'm 41 with very limited gaming time and I can't be arsed with that pace of change.

Same for rank and flank for me, I'm sitting on KoW 2nd edition and I'm damn well going to play that a bunch before I move on to any later edition (especially since I don't like what I see from later editions rules wise.)

I'm looking at Old World but it looks like the FAQ has changed the game so much the expensive rulebook is already fairly pointless to own, so that's not very encouraging! Also the rules don't look that good to me.

At least some of us are getting new rules with the new Edition. Custodes were promised an update.

From WarCom back in January:

We’ve dropped a few hints that some of these models are also perfect for using in Warhammer 40,000 and it’s entirely true. A rules update for the Adeptus Custodes is set for later this year. But several of these new miniatures are already perfectly suitable to represent current units in Warhammer 40,000.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
At least some of us are getting new rules with the new Edition. Custodes were promised an update.

From WarCom back in January:

We’ve dropped a few hints that some of these models are also perfect for using in Warhammer 40,000 and it’s entirely true. A rules update for the Adeptus Custodes is set for later this year. But several of these new miniatures are already perfectly suitable to represent current units in Warhammer 40,000.

Oh we're ALL getting new rules in 11th - new Codex books will certainly be along.
I predict SM & Orks are 1st.
And Astra Militarum in about 2028.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Upside? Nobody is going without a Codex for years and even editions at a time. Well. Hardly nobody. Not sure if we count Inquisition and Lost and the Damned?

Four year cycle would be better. And as covered with new four main game (40K, Heresy, AoS and ToW) perhaps that’s coming. We don’t know yet, as if it is coming we don’t know when that new cycle began.

If that's the case then it would happen next summer. Lets look at the next four summers...

2027: The Old World.
2028 Age of Sigmar.
2029: The Horus Heresy.
2030: Warhammer 40,000.

I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

Billicus wrote:
It isn't change for the sake of change, they just want to make it the Best Edition Ever! Until they do it again in a few years.

It is literally just an excuse to sell rulebooks.

You are both saying the same thing.

GW makes so much money from each edition launch (not just from the rulebooks - GW sells way more models during edition launches, the data doesn't lie, ask any FLGS owner) that they have incentive to change stuff whether they can ultimately improve it or not.

If they can't think of how to improve something, they -will- deliberately worsen it just for change's sake.

GW wants to sell the rulebook, but doesn't want the glossy, colour photographs advertising miniatures within it to be out of date. Thus, like a catalogue, they update it so that pictures of the newest, most expensive models are front and centre. Of course, they also want to sell it to existing players, so they take the opportunity to update the rules as well so that everyone has to buy it.

 Crimson wrote:
I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

No, it'll arrive when the new Steel Legion kits do. It's simple Marketing.
The coming vehicles & Yarrick are end of 10th edition filler & extensions of the current codex. They'll already have rules going into 11th.
And GW has told us that A) the current codexs will carry forward until replaced, B) the new SL figures will be along in a few years.
So new Guard codex alongside the SL kits.

Assuming that they don't include catachans and the new tanks in a codex and have steel legion in another set of campaign books later on.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Assuming that they don't include catachans and the new tanks in a codex and have steel legion in another set of campaign books later on.

If we do switch to a 4 year cycle, 11.5 Codexes for Guard, Orks and Marines in 2029 would certainly be possible as well.

 Crimson wrote:
I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

The starter box is Ork vs Spacemarines, so that’s my guess for 1 and 2. Could be IG is year 1 though per your reasoning.

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

The starter box is Ork vs Spacemarines, so that’s my guess for 1 and 2. Could be IG is year 1 though per your reasoning.

IG need theirs fairly soon to add in all the stuff coming with the Yarrick book!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

The starter box is Ork vs Spacemarines, so that’s my guess for 1 and 2. Could be IG is year 1 though per your reasoning.

IG need theirs fairly soon to add in all the stuff coming with the Yarrick book!

By that reasoning so will CSM, Eldar, and Mechanicus. As long as they keep the rules in the app and warhammer community, they should be fine for a while. Getting a bunch of models now also makes it likely that those factions will get smaller releases with a new codex, in the range of a character or unit plus book, freeing up space for some of the factions that need major range revamps (after orks and marines get their bunch of new kits)

ccs wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I’d expect the Guard codex to be among the first ones given that they just got a bunch of new units.

No, it'll arrive when the new Steel Legion kits do. It's simple Marketing.
The coming vehicles & Yarrick are end of 10th edition filler & extensions of the current codex. They'll already have rules going into 11th.
And GW has told us that A) the current codexs will carry forward until replaced, B) the new SL figures will be along in a few years.
So new Guard codex alongside the SL kits.

Two years is far too long for a IG codex, especially with the number of units not in the current one.

However two years for a 'return to Armageddon' having spent those years exploring two of the other major warzones (Damocles and the 4th Tyrannic War, or the Atillan/Vigilus Gap, Eye of Terror or Pariah Nexus etc) seems more reasonable, with the new Steel Legion tied to that kind of release rather than a new codex.