Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon Unboxing – 1 May 2026

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**BorderCountess**

Dudeface wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
If they can squat tactical marines then I totally can see the Russ going.

There's a logical in lore and present setting reason for tactical squads going to legends. There isn't anything about a redesign of the russ, a shortage of russ parts, a new mechanicus/guard leader dictating russes go mothball and so on.

...yet. We know that GW can - and will - invent lore to back up models. They invented the Primaris BS instead of just saying, "these are properly-scaled Marines" after all.

**Dudeface**

BorderCountess wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
If they can squat tactical marines then I totally can see the Russ going.

There's a logical in lore and present setting reason for tactical squads going to legends. There isn't anything about a redesign of the russ, a shortage of russ parts, a new mechanicus/guard leader dictating russes go mothball and so on.

...yet. We know that GW can - and will - invent lore to back up models. They invented the Primaris BS instead of just saying, "these are properly-scaled Marines" after all.

Yes but they didn't just overnight remove core kits, they've taken 9 years getting this far, sp why would they coin flip remove the most iconic guard tank?

**parakuribo**

My guess is that they want every player(focus on EVERY) to field the new toys. They don't see many games, they wonder why people don't want them without saying they need new stats or options.

**Crimson**

As painful as removing units is, I think it is in certain way easier for people to accept with marines. Every starter box will come with marines, so it is is very easy and relatively affordable to end up with a lot of newer marine units. I suspect a most players by now have a bunch primaris units, so even if some of the older units are retired, most of your army still isn't gone. With other factions it doesn't really work like this.

**triplegrim**

cuda1179 wrote:

Also suspicions that the Taurox and Leman Russ will be going to Legends

Well. I'll be picking them up for cheap then, hopefully, assuming people will start selling off theirs eventually. Still missing 2 Demolishers, and only have 4 of these bad boys, even after 20 years collecting Guards.

I really liked Commisar Greaves Centaur or whatever that black half track was called. Hoping one can field more than one of those, if I have to get a few. Need to vostroyanize it a little bit though.

**Overread**

Tauox I can see going - it was never the most popular tank. Russ I can see going to legends the same way that zombie dragons went to legends for Soulblight

The zombie dragon went to legends.... at the same time the Dracolich came out which is the very same model concept of an animated undead dragon.

**Asmodai**

So, looking at the actual quotes from Mordian's video, I'm not going to be looking for mothballs to pack my Russes into yet:

https://youtubetotranscript.com/transcript?v=h5qARZslc5g wrote:
I've had a sickening feeling in my stomach that they're going to get rid of the Leman Russ.
I've no evidence for this whatsoever.
The only evidence I have for it is the Leman Russ is featured in as that we haven't seen anything for the Russ in the Total War trailer. It was all Rogal Dorn [ __ ] If at any of the gameplay trailers that GW's been putting out, we've not seen the Russ featured once, whether it was in that like Tactica's game I think they brought out, um Dawn of War 4 trailers that we've seen, uh Total War stuff. All If you go back and look at all these trailers, none of it had Leman Russ in it. It was just the Rogal Dorn.

....

So I yeah, I I think that there's a non-zero chance the Leman Russ is going to go. I don't know when.
Maybe 11th.
Uh maybe 12th, but um I I don't know.
The big one is the Russ is in heresy now.
If it's in heresy, doesn't What Why would Games Workshop produce two different Russ kits?
Or three even.
Technically because of the the heresy thing.
Russ is all over Space Marine 2 and Darktide. Yeah, those came out um a little while ago now, man.
Those came out Those What Space Marine 2 is like 2 3 years ago now, something crazy.
Wasn't last year. It was befo- it was the year before. I'm pretty sure it was 2024, wasn't it?
I think it was 2024.
2024?
Yeah. Space Marine 2 is uh coming up ne- coming up to 2 years old.
Same with uh Darktide's [ __ ] probably 4 5 years old now, right?
Uh 4 years old. Yeah, Darktide.
I don't think those games can be used as a litmus test anymore.
I don't think they can be.
Uh so we ate I'm on glory I think you're more likely to get a new Russ variant that warrants a new kit. Maybe.
Maybe if big if true.
But strangely it only fills me with a modicum of hope. Because we've ever whenever we see a new kit replace an old kit, the new kit's inferior.
The old kit is the old Russ kit. It's a little rough, but it's very easy to build.
Yeah.
Is Leman Russ legends speculation? It is.
Pure speculation. But if they can if they can legends I mean think of it this way. If they can legends great selling kits like vindicators, which have been selling well in 10th edition. I mean every Space Marine player has run basically two to three of the things. And there's a lot of Space Marine players. Even if you put in Space Marine 2 3 things.
Think of all the predators that have been viable all the way through. You think all of the vindicators. If they can get rid of those things, hm Anyway, let us go back.
That is pure speculation. Let's go back to the rumor.
Uh Primaris stuff.

The Russ moving to Legends is speculation based on it not being in the Total War trailer.

Every edition is accompanied with a doom-train of equal momentum to the hype-train. Until there's actual concrete rumours (like with the Space Marines from Valrak's reliable source), I'm not going to worry about it.

EDIT: Valrak is now saying May 30 pre-order, June 13 release date for the new edition (with some fairly convincing scheduling info from Warhammer World to back it up).

**goffnob deffsmakka**

Thanks for the transcript, that Leman Russ rumour seems like a nothingburger then.

I think Valrak rumoured a new battlewagon, glad that I picked one up along with a Taurox to kitbash.

30th of May pre-order puts it straight in the middle of my vacation, will be interesting to see if I can order one from eight time zones away.

**Crimson**

The Russ thing is speculation, but I've been having similar thoughts. It definitely is on my "do not buy any more of these" list.

And this is the issue with the unit removal. It used to be super rare for GW to just abandon an unit, but it has become more common recently and if the rumours about the massive marine legending is true, much more common.

And it will make people to hesitate to buy. It might not show on GW's bottom line yet, but at some point it might.

**Dudeface**

Crimson wrote:
The Russ thing is speculation, but I've been having similar thoughts. It definitely is on my "do not buy any more of these" list.

And this is the issue with the unit removal. It used to be super rare for GW to just abandon an unit, but it has become more common recently and if the rumours about the massive marine legending is true, much more common.

And it will make people to hesitate to buy. It might not show on GW's bottom line yet, but at some point it might.

Tbh almost every unit should be thoight of like this, none of it is permanent any more.

**BorderCountess**

Dudeface wrote:
BorderCountess wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
If they can squat tactical marines then I totally can see the Russ going.

There's a logical in lore and present setting reason for tactical squads going to legends. There isn't anything about a redesign of the russ, a shortage of russ parts, a new mechanicus/guard leader dictating russes go mothball and so on.

...yet. We know that GW can - and will - invent lore to back up models. They invented the Primaris BS instead of just saying, "these are properly-scaled Marines" after all.

Yes but they didn't just overnight remove core kits, they've taken 9 years getting this far, sp why would they coin flip remove the most iconic guard tank?

For the same reason they remove anything else - make people buy new stuff.

**catbarf**

I think it's reasonable to interpret the Russ not showing up in any of the new boxes or marketing as an indication that the current kit- which unless I missed a refresh, is about twenty years old- is going away.

The real question is whether that means it's getting a new kit or being retired altogether. I'd assume the former if it weren't for the fact that the Hippogriff and Rogal Dorn now cover light tank and heavy tank archetypes, so it seems plausible that GW might just retire the medium tank from the mix and relegate it to another HH-only product.

Edit: The Taurox getting nixed wouldn't surprise me at all though, that thing looks like a kid's toy and putting wheels on it only partially redeems it.

**RaptorusRex**

Mordian doesn't have any sources and this is hence mere speculation.

**robbienw**

Current Russ came out 2009 for the Demolisher variant, 2010 for the standard one.

It's not going anywhere, thinking its going to be removed is absurd.

Could get a refreshed kit soon though.

**NAVARRO**

Theres a big difference in discontinuing very old kits VS recently released kits, because when you do that to things like the ATV it raises the question why do I even bother buying anything new only to not have time to paint, and enjoy the product on a gaming table because the window is just too short for that. On top of that and this is a MAJOR turn off, your recently purchased £40 kit that was discontinued holds very little value on the second market, no one will want it and you will have to sell it for peanuts.

So yeah people saying its supported in Legends its all good, forget that what was considered a good investment and that minis hold their market value for a long time is simply no more.
People saying GW does that because they want to sell you the new thing... do it too often and people will just move away because you cant keep tricking people.

**Ashiraya**

Dudeface wrote:
Tbh almost every unit should be thoight of like this, none of it is permanent any more.

This. I think all my second edition Stormcast being tossed when AoS launched 4th edition fundamentally changed the way I view warhammer.

Gameplay is now a wholly secondary concern. I only buy something if its aesthetics and coolness alone will be worth the investment, because that is the only thing that can be trusted to last more than a couple of years.

**goffnob deffsmakka**

catbarf wrote:
I think it's reasonable to interpret the Russ not showing up in any of the new boxes or marketing as an indication that the current kit- which unless I missed a refresh, is about twenty years old- is going away.

I find it difficult to know how much to read into GW's promotional pictures. They seem to just prefer showing off newer kits. I think they haven't shown a single picture of the old ork boyz or lootas/burnas since the monopose boyz kit came out five years ago, despite all of them staying in the range until now.

I could also swear that the Leman Russ is more recent than that (at least the kit with all the variations which I cannot name).

**Ashiraya**

goffnob deffsmakka wrote:

I could also swear that the Leman Russ is more recent than that (at least the kit with all the variations which I cannot name).

2009, so 20 years is genuinely not far off.

**Da Boss**

That's the only way to do it. Only buy a kit if you like the models enough for the price - don't think about any in game use or rules too much, because that is ultimately transient.

And personally, if you want something in the older 28mm scale instead of the new 32mm scale, get it as soon as you're able to or content yourself with the secondary market or third party alternatives.

**beast_gts**

Ashiraya wrote:
goffnob deffsmakka wrote:

I could also swear that the Leman Russ is more recent than that (at least the kit with all the variations which I cannot name).

2009, so 20 years is genuinely not far off.

The regular and demolisher versions were combined in the same box in 2023.

**NAVARRO**

Da Boss wrote:
That's the only way to do it. Only buy a kit if you like the models enough for the price - don't think about any in game use or rules too much, because that is ultimately transient.

And personally, if you want something in the older 28mm scale instead of the new 32mm scale, get it as soon as you're able to or content yourself with the secondary market or third party alternatives.

Yeah but thats the thing, unlike the old metals or old historic kits and old hammer etc... the new stuff has none of that baggage and will be simply dumping money into something that when discontinued has no value.
This was common on many other companies lines but old GW minis always hold their value.

**Selfcontrol**

Does Mordian Glory actually have any good history regarding rumors and leaks?

After taking a look at his youtube channel, I'm inclined to believe the whole channel deserves to belong in the trash bin.

**Da Boss**

Personally, I never really sell on my miniatures so I don't worry too much about retaining value. I tend to assume only my very old metals will have any value anyway, plastics I presume I'll certainly be selling at a loss if I ever do.

For me, it's just about if it fits with one of my projects and I like it enough to stomach the GW price. It means I buy a LOT less from them than I used to, but I do still pick up the odd kit here and there.

On the starter, I have Orks as my biggest army but I suspect I'll be skipping this release anyway. The grots look alright, despite their weedy ears, but I'm going to wait and see what the models look like compared to older Ork models before making any decisions.

**Billicus**

I'm certainly mulling grabbing a few IG tanks before they get squatted. I've got rid of my new bigger scale guard models now, prefer the old ones.

**catbarf**

NAVARRO wrote:
People saying GW does that because they want to sell you the new thing... do it too often and people will just move away because you cant keep tricking people.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but I think they absolutely can. Their sales model revolves around getting someone in the door, selling them a bunch of stuff to get started, and keeping them hooked for a year or two before most players move on. People like us who build large collections, stay invested over years or decades, post on social media dinosaurs like this forum, and really, genuinely care about the 5+ year horizon for a kit are not the target market. We're just the background infrastructure that maintains a community so new players feel like they'll have someone to play against when they buy in. And I find those new players don't know and don't care if a kit that's a couple of years old, especially if it wasn't popular to begin with, recently got retired.

So for this churn to negatively impact GW's bottom line, it would have to be so bad that it actually kills existing 40K communities, and thus puts off new players from buying into 40K or picking up that shiny new army. But it seems like for most established players, as long as their entire army isn't rendered unplayable overnight, they'll just grumble and accept the suggested counts-as and keep showing up for games. They might feel put off and stop buying new kits, but they weren't buying every new release anyways.

I think GW used the Stormcast refresh as their litmus test. The fact that they were able to squat sub-decade-old core units for the poster boy AOS faction, without provoking any WHFB-End-Times-army-burning in response, showed just how far they can push things. Expect more of this.

I agree 100% with Da Boss: Buy stuff that you like as kits, don't buy it for assumed gameplay relevance in five years' time. We're in an era of TCG-esque constant churn and refresh, paired with game design philosophies (fixed unit sizes, fixed wargear, lack of options) that aren't conducive to using old models as new units. The assumption that GW will try to ensure you can always use your old minis is gone.

**Billicus**

You see this a lot but without that community of fans, one of the core pillars of the offering to those new people - that there's a player base out there - is undermined and sales doubtless suffer. GW probably want everyone to be net promotors and probably do want established fans to be at least somewhat happy.

**NAVARRO**

Billicus wrote:
You see this a lot but without that community of fans, one of the core pillars of the offering to those new people - that there's a player base out there - is undermined and sales doubtless suffer. GW probably want everyone to be net promotors and probably do want established fans to be at least somewhat happy.

I agree, I suffered the stormcast fiasco in the flesh and after decades with fantasy minis since WFB etc I decided to move away from all that. Today if a new/potential GW client asks me about AoS, I cannot say anymore, that he can try it out spend the money and if he gets bored of it he can sell his minis for a good value. That was a big sales pitch because it would reduce the risk of burning so much money.

It's not Harsh to say that some think that GW is going this route, it's somewhat predictable but it's not the full angle IMO. New folks will join in if theres a community to help them out, delete that and I cannot say sales numbers and performance will be the same.

Also lets not forget old collectors see a new shiny army and they can sell some of their old stuff and get on board... They are not new clients but Im pretty sure they will buy full new collections on the back of their old stuff and thats part of the sales numbers.

**LunarSol**

I've never seen kits hold any real value. If value is a concern, the right answer is almost always to not buy in the first place outside of certain bundle deals pieced out later when parts are in demand. Pretty much everything I've ever sold has been at a staggering loss and mostly done to either help someone get started or clean up clutter. The idea of them as an investment feels about as real as the collector coins and plates they used to sell on late night TV.

My perspective has shifted a lot in the last 15+ years. Honestly, a lot of the things being said here are just good advice in general. You shouldn't buy more stuff than you have time to paint or play. If you play a game a month, you're not going to get much use out of 13 armies. Buying more than 2 of any kit is generally a bad idea. If you are worried about getting a decade of value out of a model, start playing it now. I see far too many people buying piles of plastic for someday that never comes.

Focus on the now. Get value now and honestly, no one is showing up at your door to smash your toys. If you're really invested in them, its a lot easier to think of new ways to enjoy them if you have that motivation to do so from years of use.

**Da Boss**

Very good advice, especially about not sitting on piles of plastic for years.

It's easy to fall into, if you've got money but no time, but it's a bad idea.

Heh. Called out with "you'll get no use out of 13 armies!" but it is kinda true.

**NAVARRO**

LunarSol wrote:
I've never seen kits hold any real value. If value is a concern, the right answer is almost always to not buy in the first place outside of certain bundle deals pieced out later when parts are in demand. Pretty much everything I've ever sold has been at a staggering loss and mostly done to either help someone get started or clean up clutter. The idea of them as an investment feels about as real as the collector coins and plates they used to sell on late night TV.

My perspective has shifted a lot in the last 15+ years. Honestly, a lot of the things being said here are just good advice in general. You shouldn't buy more stuff than you have time to paint or play. If you play a game a month, you're not going to get much use out of 13 armies. Buying more than 2 of any kit is generally a bad idea. If you are worried about getting a decade of value out of a model, start playing it now. I see far too many people buying piles of plastic for someday that never comes.

Focus on the now. Get value now and honestly, no one is showing up at your door to smash your toys. If you're really invested in them, it's a lot easier to think of new ways to enjoy them if you have that motivation to do so from years of use.

Sorry mate but with all due respect you enjoy your minis the way you see fit and I will do the way I see fit and Mr. Smith will enjoy his way. We all have different focus and they are all valid.
I would say you look into old hammer and other stuff and yeah some metals and kits I have are worth silly money. They were not bought as an investment but they hold their value and thats good it gives me options. Unlike your warmachine minis or other companies that is errrr was a fundamental difference between companies.
Like I said several times, its about what you can do with your collections that gives them more or less value overall... GW discontinuing new kits after a few years reduces value in many ways, some may not affect you personally but thats not the point.