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A while back GW put out rules for the War of the Beard in Fantasy. Although it was not its own book, the White Dwarfs that had the army lists seemed to be quite detailed ( I will admit I never tried it myself). It was neat and got me thinking if they could do that with Warhammer 40k. I noticed that BoLS has created rules for a Warhammer 30k era of play, I was curious what others thought about if GW were to do it. Could it be profitable, or would it be another money sink for the company. Now when I say GW would do it, I also mean they would need to release some new models for that era of play. With all the new Horus Heresy information that is out now, it wouldn't be too hard I suspect...what are your thoughts?

I don't know if a whole ruleset would be a good idea financially for GW (although I'd LOVE to see it, it seems as if it might be akin to Apocalypse), but just making models readily available from the Heresy timeframe would certainly make GW a few truckloads of cash.

Heresy era armor suits for Marines would sell quickly!

And in large amounts!

OK, I guess if they go through the trouble of making the models, it wouldn't be that hard to whip up some 30K rules/settings...

For Primarchs too?

Heresy-era Terminators would be awesome.

And Marine Jetbikes!!

BYE

I you don't play an Imperial force it wouldn't change much.

Eldar (including their dark kin) technology hasn't altered for millennium.
Ditto for the Necrons.
Orks are always Orks.
Tau just wouldn't get any models at all.

It could be an opportunity to bring back genestealer cults which could be pretty cool. Hey, they could even bring back the squats. Well, we all know the likelihood of that happening.

Then again, most things GW does centers around Space Marines anyway, so xenos forces staying the same doesn't really matter.

Letsee... it gives GW an excuse to put out a metric horde of new Space Marine models.

Concept art is already done.

Fan approval is in place.

So yeah.

Odds they'll ever do it?

Imagine a snowball in the fires of hell... melting... melting...

Am i mistaken or weren't there Assault marines on Surf Boards as well?

It would pretty much be IG Tau and Movie Marines marines. So....

Zoats!

Well, they could do a heresy campaign.

But we already know how those campaign armies get
treated, so why would most people spend the money?

I think it would be awesome if they released minis with Heresy-era gear. I think they could still do some new sculpts of Eldar, Orks, etc. with a more old-school feel, even if their stats and equipment is basically the same.

It could be really cool. Probably not happening, though.


But yeah, marine jet-bikes, old-school power armor...cool idea!

i think they'd more likly put out a plastic uprage sprue with heresy era marin bits - older bolters, leather dangly bits, diffferent heads/shoulder pads, maybe plain chest plates (no eagles). Similar thing to the dark angels and black templars.

can't see them doing jet bikes, things seems to be heading that way slowly but i think the guys in the studio have a fetish for NO MARINE jetbikes, except when they feel like making a character they can flog for £££££££ standard jetbikes - maybe the squats will bring them.......

Korcheski wrote:Am i mistaken or weren't there Assault marines on Surf Boards as well?

I don't know about in the Heresy fluff, but in the Rogue Trader rules there were rules for hoverboards, and they had a picture ( artwork, not a model ) of a Squat with a board. Having a unit of assault Squats on boards would be all sorts of cool.

Plus you could have new IG vehicles and equipment, stuff that was lost or irreplaceable in the 10,000 years between Heresy age and modern.

Would this mean the Eldar get their musicians back? I had a couple models, but have NO idea what they even did...

its a nice idea. This actually sounds like a forge world project.lol. Just wait, I'll wake up tomorrow and see posts about IMPERIAL ARMOUR ZER0:RISE OF THE IMPERIUM.

theHandofGork wrote:I you don't play an Imperial force it wouldn't change much.

Eldar (including their dark kin) technology hasn't altered for millennium.
Ditto for the Necrons.
Orks are always Orks.
Tau just wouldn't get any models at all.

It could be an opportunity to bring back genestealer cults which could be pretty cool. Hey, they could even bring back the squats. Well, we all know the likelihood of that happening.

Then again, most things GW does centers around Space Marines anyway, so xenos forces staying the same doesn't really matter.

AFAIK, Necrons hadn't re-awoken yet, so you wouldn't have Necron armies and while you'd see Genestealer cults you wouldn't have 'Nid armies (or would they only be up against other Xenos armies? I can't remember when Iyanden nearly got eaten). But along those lines, the Squat homeworld hasn't been eaten yet, so it'd be an opportunity to revive them!

I think a few bitz packs with different marine upgrades/sprues would be pretty cool, along with a codex book for the Loyalists and one for the Traitor Legions. Probably be a good way to sell a lot of marines along with the new sprues. Maybe throw in some IG allies to the Legions, some special vehicles as mentioned above, and I could see it really working.

The BIG pull would probably be primarchs, though whether they would have to do them individually in metal, or make a few plastic kits is debatable. Probably metal is the best bet, but a "Build your own Primarch" kit would rock socks.

well, if you think about it, WH30k could not be much more than a rules overlay for 5th edition WH40k. Large format hard back book, $50 US, fluff cribbed from the HH book series, art from the card game, Unified army list for Marines working directly with the Imperial Army, page for each primarch, another page for each legion's history and special rule, short army lists for now extinct aliens, and hay presto, instant book.

Then GW could make the upgrade sprue for marines mentioned by covenant84, a metal imperial army squad, a horde of special characters, including the main key primarchs, rerelease the old predator and rhino (for $45 of course), and figures are sorted out.

Yeah, it would sell like crazy. No, they will apparently never do it.

Here's how I see it shaking out:

Imperial crusade army list
IG, Adeptus Mech, Marines all in one monster list. Plus jet bikes, jump pack IG squads, robots, thudd guns and any other missing RT era stuff.

Horus Heresy List
Chaos marines, demons, renegade cultists, beastmen all in one.

Primarchs and the Emperor
If the rules can handle greater demons, the Avatar of the Space Elven god of bloodwar and C'tan they can certainly include a couple of over the top marine commanders.

Models
Plastic historical marine armors
Metal primarchs
Trenchcoat IG
cultists

Um, yeah, I'd buy a tonage of stuff.
So they'll never do it.
Bring on Codex Space Demons and Space Elfs in Space who are dark.

WH30K would be truly awesome. They could even throw in scenario's for the major battles of the crusades, Ullanor(Apoc 30K) with what 4 Primarchs and the Emperor with Custodas(Rules for them too)

Various uncompliant human worlds aswell to be crushed too.

Will we ever see it? nah

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Here's how I see it shaking out:
...
Models
Plastic historical marine armors
...

The best part about a plastic Mark IV armor sprue, is that they could add spikes to it and make a proper chaos marine sprue...

Maybe it is a good thing that this will never happen, the cash I would want to spend would be truely frightening.

Korcheski wrote:Am i mistaken or weren't there Assault marines on Surf Boards as well?

Indeed there were. Power boards to be more precise.

But not only marines had access to this wonderfully dangerous piece of suspensor technology.

I can't believe GW hasn't figured out how to leverage the popularity of their HH books. A HH supplement would be a license to print money, and it wouldn't require a ton of development. The artwork is done, and the fluff is written. They'd need a few pages for army list changes, a section full of special characters, and a ton of "historical" scenarios from the books.

Who wouldn't buy a Mournival collector's set, even if they didn't play a single HH game? I have to think tons of players -- even those with SM armies already -- would build HH-era Mk. 4 SM armies if given the chance. That alone should have meant a HH supplement in our hands by now. God knows GW loves selling SMs.

But never fear, the Planetstrike supplement is on the way!

A WH30K project could also be a good way to really evolve the rules system (as a lot of people desire) without requiring that the current WH40k die or be immediately obsoleted.

This has already been done on Bell of Lost Souls.

http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/2007/09/warhammer-30000-age-of-heresy-v2.html

It would b e interesting to see how the armies would be composed. However I dont know that a 4th game is a good idea for them right now.

I really doubt GW could do it better than the BellofLostSouls have. SO while I am sure the new models would be good I suspect the rules would be pants

I would Love if GW did this Simple Task cause i have a 2000pt Emperors Childeren Army just not fully Made cause each model takes about a hour maybe more i cant rember. ( cause of the Glue )

I'd be more interested in a Pre-Darkage of man setting where the forces of humanity faced off against their robot creations.

Before some smarty pants thinks it, No it's not BFG. It's in the 40K fluff that humanity used to have robots scout, terraform, and build settlements on the planets and then the humans would just come in and settle there. The robots got smart enough to question why, and hilarity ensued.

Age of Strife would be cool. Lots of Mad Max sort of stuff.