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**Quintinus**

No offense to the other thread, but it's kind of degenerating into a wishlist, so I wanted to post these rumors in a new thread.

This is from Badger[Fr] who posted this at Warseer:

Hi all,

Here are a few rumours about the new IG Codex a friend heard from a local GW manager. I trust him, as he had already provided me with very accurate informations concerning the 5th Ed SM Codex a few monthes ago. We can expect:

-3 Leman Russes per HS slot. Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength. It seems that GW wants to bring the Leman Russ to the foreground...
-New doctrines, including one which provides +1 to cover and allows firing while going to ground.
-New Plastic Command squad.
-Assault 2 Lasguns (not free, though - probably an upgrade).
-The plastic Valkyrie will cost 60€.
-New plastic Hellhound (old news but good news anyway).

As usual, take it with a pinch of salt.

PS: I hope my English wasn't too bad... Don't hesitate to correct me if I did something wrong.

Is all I have to say to that. Except for the Valkyrie price...

**H.B.M.C.**

3 Leman Russes per HS slot. Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength. It seems that GW wants to bring the Leman Russ to the foreground...

I'll believe it when I see it. Of course, all this will be for nought if they are a squadron of vehicles, making immobilised = destroyed results.

-New doctrines, including one which provides +1 to cover and allows firing while going to ground.

I'm dubious at the inclusion of Doctrines at all, let alone ones not tied to Special Characters.

-New Plastic Command squad.

Stands to reason. Looking forward to seeing the options. Hopefully there will be a couple of plastic banners on there. Maybe even plastic Advisors.

-Assault 2 Lasguns (not free, though - probably an upgrade).

So they'll be slightly less crap.

-The plastic Valkyrie will cost 60€.

Ouch... well I said my Inquisitorial Storm Trooper army would ride in style. I guess it'll just be a really expensive kind of style.

-New plastic Hellhound (old news but good news anyway).

Makes sense. They want to move away from hybrid kits as much as possible. This will probably go with the all-in-one Russ kit as well.

BYE

**JohnHwangDD**

I am starting to really *hate* GW. Now, I need a 3rd Russ to for the regular IG, to go with a 3rd Bassie and 3rd Hellhound to fill out the Apoc formations.

Plus, Cameoline stays.

And then they confirm that the plastic Valkyrie is going into production?

And that Valk will cost $75+ instead of the $150+ it currently costs from FW?

Bastards!1!!!11!

**JohnHwangDD**

Oh yeah, Assault 2 Lasguns? Who cares?

Now *Rending* Lasguns? Yeah, I'd pay an extra point for thaose...

**Anarchyman99**

Not too sure but sounds crazy and very dumb....so it will be true.....IE marine rumors.

**the_trooper**

Assault 2 24" lasguns would be awesome. Terminators fall to lasguns, not lascannons.

**GMMStudios**

PLEASE let the first be true. I would just kiss JJs feet if GW made my first love a legal army!

**ubermosher**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll believe it when I see it. Of course, all this will be for nought if they are a squadron of vehicles, making immobilised = destroyed results..

Obviously GW wants to see more tread guards (assuming they make the new codex)

**Alpharius**

Leman Russ' moving and firing ALL their weapons?

No, probably not.

Doctrines?

No, probably not.

And the last thread seemed like a wish list?

**High Commissar Biffsmack**

-3 Leman Russes per HS slot. Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength. It seems that GW wants to bring the Leman Russ to the foreground...

...really? This could either be really awesome or really crappy.

They're probably going to make it weaker individually, wich could be good or could be bad. After all, the I.G's tanks are the only thing they feild that has much semblance of quality, aside from stormtroopers and hardened veterans. I think I like the idea of endless waves of expendable infantry charging next to a few deadly, effective tanks better than endless waves of expendable infantry charging next to limited waves of somewhat-expendable tanks. Whatever. We'll see how it works out when the new codex finally comes out.

**Datadep5**

I think that russ's moving and shooting is just wrong. Why could they do it, but my pred has to sit still to fire it's HB sponsons? If they do this I'd like to see some reasoning behind it.

**Miguelsan**

-New Plastic Command squad.
-Assault 2 Lasguns (not free, though - probably an upgrade).
-The plastic Valkyrie will cost 60€.
-New plastic Hellhound (old news but good news anyway).

This I can belive, the Leman one sounds far fetched

M.

**Commisar00**

Out of all the rumors here I can only believe the ones about new kits coming out for the army. I really hope that there are actual options for the command squad ala the SM Command squad boxed sets!

**JohnHwangDD**

I could see Russ Squadrons. Note that, in regular games of 40k, you won't be able to take more than a couple before you run out of points.

**BrookM**

€60 for the Valkyrie? Crap, now my Elysians wont be air mobile in one fell swoop as I had imagined.

**Starnite**

My take on the Russ's ability (as the origional poster states English is not his native tounge) would be that the russ's can't more and shoot all weapons, but that all weapons are move and shoot capable. Ie, when moving, they can opt to shoot the battle cannon as their one weapon to fire, where as now, they can not move and shoot the battle cannon. Just a guess though.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Perhaps the Russ will get 'lumbering' speed from the old vehicle design rules?

Move a max of 6" can always fire all weapons.

**Frazzled**

-3 Leman Russes per HS slot. Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength. It seems that GW wants to bring the Leman Russ to the foreground...
-New doctrines, including one which provides +1 to cover and allows firing while going to ground.
-Assault 2 Lasguns (not free, though - probably an upgrade).

I doubt the veracity of these three rumors. They break rules for imperium units. assault weapons, doctrines when doctrines and traits are falling away, multiple vehicles in one heavy support slot.

**CaptKaruthors**

I'll believe it when I see it. Of course, all this will be for nought if they are a squadron of vehicles, making immobilised = destroyed results.

Hopefully, Track Guards will still be an option to take, because if they are squadrons...expect to see people paying 10pts for a chance to bounce that result.

Capt K

**JD21290**

im quite like most of this, and im an ork player

dont know abut the russ firing all weps though, kinda seems weird.

well, as soon as the val's are released in plastic ill start my fighta bomba boyz

**Vaktathi**

Datadep5 wrote:I think that russ's moving and shooting is just wrong. Why could they do it, but my pred has to sit still to fire it's HB sponsons? If they do this I'd like to see some reasoning behind it.

Because the leman russ masses about twice as much and is a much more stable firing platform? The Predator is just an upgunned APC, a medium support vehicle, the Leman Russ is a heavy main battle tank. At least that would be my reasoning if such actually were to occur.

As much as I hope the rumors are true (as currently IG need every bit of help they can get), I'm having trouble believing all of them, though I want to so bad.

**Scottywan82**

Vladsimpaler wrote:No offense to the other thread, but it's kind of degenerating into a wishlist, so I wanted to post these rumors in a new thread.

This is from Badger[Fr] who posted this at Warseer:

-New Plastic Command squad.

I shat myself in JOY. I want this SO badly. I'm gonna buy six. Or a hundred!

**Raxor**

After the SM Codex, I'll believe in anything.

**wolfguard99**

That's really not a bad price for the valkyrie....it sure beats the forgeworld price and you don't have to deal with mis-molded and warped parts!

**Heavygear**

JohnHwangDD wrote:I could see Russ Squadrons. Note that, in regular games of 40k, you won't be able to take more than a couple before you run out of points.

I think you hit the nail on the head. With the points limitations of a tournament style game, this just provides you with the ability to field an armored company from the codex. Roughly 9 russes and a hellhound or two. This isn't anything major, as we have all seen armored companies before.

With regards to move and shoot, who knows. The change in the new rules system was I think ment to bring Eldar tank armies to heel. Guard got hosed with this rule and I watched guard players yank the sponsons off thier tanks. It might be time to break out the superglue.

**Rymafyr**

wolfguard99 wrote:That's really not a bad price for the valkyrie....it sure beats the forgeworld price and you don't have to deal with mis-molded and warped parts!

For a plastic model it's a horrible price. The Land Raider pushes it at the $50+ US that it goes for. Don't even get me started on, "paying for the cost of points" either.

**oni**

Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength.

If this is true than that's just complete bull gak. There is absolutely no reason why IG's vehicle rules should differ from others. I've liked every change GW has made for 5th, but this I will not accept without a reasonable explanation.

**ShumaGorath**

The russ rules wouldn't surprise me as an upgrade. Though I would definitely want to see an increase in points to reflect their newfound versatility. It would certainly serve to nail home the fact that guard are big tough vehicles with tiny little blood balloons with silly guns running around them.

**Heavygear**

Rymafyr wrote:
wolfguard99 wrote:That's really not a bad price for the valkyrie....it sure beats the forgeworld price and you don't have to deal with mis-molded and warped parts!

For a plastic model it's a horrible price. The Land Raider pushes it at the $50+ US that it goes for. Don't even get me started on, "paying for the cost of points" either.

I agree that is too much. Space marines get drop pods for $30.00 and IG get a skimmer flying rhino for $75.00 (or more with GW recent trend of raising the price of an item by 2/3 just before releasing it). While being versatile in the game, it aint a baneblade.

**Heavygear**

oni wrote:
Leman Russes can now move and fire ALL their weapons (including the Battle Canon), regardless of their strength.

If this is true than that's just complete bull gak. There is absolutely no reason why IG's vehicle rules should differ from others. I've liked every change GW has made for 5th, but this I will not accept without a reasonable explanation.

The change in rules would be for those wanting to field an armored company. If you are only firing ten weapons per turn even if its an ordinace weapon, you are handicapped. Allowing you to fire side sponsons with heavy bolters allows you to bring more fire power to the equation. You are still firing with BS3. This is needed because once you get into close combat your pretty tanks, with the rear armor always being used for CC, become pop cans.

Troop heavy Assault Marines, Nids, Deamons and Orks will own this type of army. Eldar and Tau armored armies will probably have a tougher time. You will be getting into armored slugging matches. I like armored slugging matches. Some of my most enjoyed games were opposite another tank heavy IG army in Apoc.