Even *more* IG Rumors (and confirmations)...

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**JohnHwangDD**

Bell of Lost Souls wrote:Hi everybody,

Word on the wind this cold December morning says:

Codex
The IG Codex is slated for release in the first week of May.

There is a new HQ choice referred to as a "Fleet Officer". This fine chap gives you access to different types of orbital bombardments every turn. There are other officer "types" to select from that give other abilites including a Commissar Lord.

Models
New Commissar Lord is available as a new HQ choice with dual models.

Plastic Command Squads; Cadians and Catachans are said to both be getting plastic command squads.

Infantry Squad Recuts; Infantry boxes are rumored to be repackaged as 2 sprues containing eight guardsmen and a single heavy weapon team in each box; similar to what was done to the Eldar Guardian kits.

Plastic Stormtroopers are on the way.

Plastic Valkyrie is on the way. This is said to be a transport option for the Stormtroopers and possibly other select squads. Kits have been visually spotted. The Valkyrie will be interesting as it is said to be a skimmer only in the codex. The idea is that flyers never exist in "straight 40k" so the Valkyrie keeps its flyer/skimmer modes as published only in Apocalypse. Price is said to be £35/US$50, and the kit is fairly large (roughly Land Raider sized)

~Wow! Standard caveats apply as always folks, but something tells me the Marines and the Greenskins are going to get a run for their money come Spring. I'm particularly intrigued by the different officers for IG armies and their special abilities. That makes me wonder if they are going to use that mechanic to introduce different things like Artillery officer, Armoured officer, or the like to give the monolithic IG army some flavor if doctrines are removed???

And there we go!

May is later than I'd have liked - April is when we get our tax refunds / stimulus checks!

Officers in lieu of Doctrines, with a "Fleet Officer" as the continuous Bombardment officer - who'da thunk it? Still, not the worst thing that could happen... Of course, the real meat is what they do with Platoons, and that is still tight-lipped.

New Commissar model, because, like Eldar Warlocks, you can never have enough of these. Seriously, GW has made how many of them, and how many are playable? Right!

Plastic Command? BFD. I don't play Cadians or Catachans, but nice to see GW throw the new kids a bone.

Plastic squad recuts? No way! I never imagined GW would do that... Who wants to wager against GW will charging $25+ bucks for a new, improved squad of 10 IG against the current price of $35 for 20 IG? Anyone?

Plastic Storms? If I weren't sitting on roughly 3-dozen fully-painted Storms, I might actually care here. Still, I wonder what they'll look like. And whether they'll be in scale.

Plastic Valk? $50? OK, I'm all over that!

**Dropkick_Murphy**

I'm new to 40k, but orbital bombardment every turn sounds so very yummy.

**ph34r**

$25 for the new squad would be awesome considering that that the cost of half a troop box (10 troops) is $17.50, plus a heavy weapon is $12, totaling $29.50.

**JohnHwangDD**

A Heavy Weapons box makes 3 HBs on tripods, 3 hand-carried MLs, 3 Mortars, and 3 Autcannons / Lascannons on sandbags.

To do this, you need an extra box of 20 dudes, so for $70, you get 12 Heavy teams. Or each Heavy Team is $5-6.

Adjusting for the dudes, the fair price of a 10-man Guard team with Heavy is $20-22.50, so $25.00 would be on the high side.

Of course, as I use OOP metals, the comparison price is $35 for 10 Guard with Heavy & Special.

**Dexy**

But you just know it's going to be the less desirable weapons like Mortars.

**T_55**

I love mortars.....

Heres to hoping we get some good psychic defence, lash of submission has been particularly punishing as of late.

**BoxANT**

T_55 wrote:I love mortars.....

Heres to hoping we get some good psychic defence, lash of submission has been particularly punishing as of late.

Like a reworked Sanctioned Psyker that didn't suck ?

Love the idea of a "Fleet Officer". Calling down Orbital Bombardments every turn in addition to our normal Ordnance would be lovely

**EdMorgan**

You'd have thought that Orbital Bombardments would be restricted to Apocalypse games, surely?

Those spaceships have mighty big guns y'know...

I'd have prefered the High Command rules updating and putting in instead of the Fleet Officer, but whatever... it still sounds cool.

Psykers -have- to get reworked, I don't think i've ever seen anyone use one in a game in 4th ed.

Penal legions? Never going to happen, but how good would it be. The 1st Ed army list from White Dwarf was, and forever shall be, the Imperial Guard's finest hour...

Also, plastic Valkyries.... sweet.

**WGXH**

Commissar Lord, provided he's not totally useless, could satisfy the need people have to keep a badass Commissar in the army without dumping tons of point of them.

...potentially. >_>

**EdMorgan**

I so hope that Commissars are more useful, the Guard isn't the Guard without several Commissars scuttling about occasionally shooting people....

**dodgex1**

If I put together all the IG related rumours that ive heard, e.g leman russ's with each platoon and as heavy support choices and orbital bombardment with everyturn I could create an IG army than could obliterate the majority of opponants before they got close enough to shoot.

Nice to hear more, Im just hoping they dont take away the ability for specialised IG armies like drop troopers for those who want them, ie me.

**EdMorgan**

Agreed, it'll suck if they remove doctrines and don't allow any mechanism for specialised armies.

Not every IG player wants a Cadian gunline, or a Cadian tank regiment, lol.

**Kid_Kyoto**

We shall see...
We shall see...

Any rumors on the new Inquisitor-like HQ that was mentioned? I worry that my daemonhunters are about to go away.

**EdMorgan**

It would appear that that is now the Fleet Commander...

**H.B.M.C.**

So rather than losing all our Doctrines and getting a bunch of special characters that dramatically alter our force we lose Doctrines and get a bunch of mundane no-named characters that dramatically alter our force.

We're all heard the line "A rose by any other name...", right?

BYE

**Gobstomp420**

EdMorgan wrote:
Penal legions? Never going to happen, but how good would it be. The 1st Ed army list from White Dwarf was, and forever shall be, the Imperial Guard's finest hour...

Explosive collars ruled! That and human bombs! Their finest hour is to true.

**EdMorgan**

I think i'd rather have the generic characters, at least then we can build our own fluff...

On a side note, what does the "BYE" mean at the end of all your posts, HBMC?

**George Spiggott**

An April release will give me a little breathing space after the new Hordes book comes out. I'm not seeing anything that alleviates my worst fears yet though fortunately I'm not seeing anything that confirms them.

My guess is that S4 shotguns will be GW’s solution to the S3 hellguns issue.

**Dexy**

EdMorgan wrote:I think i'd rather have the generic characters, at least then we can build our own fluff...

On a side note, what does the "BYE" mean at the end of all your posts, HBMC?

Thanks to Google:
adieu: a farewell remark; "they said their good-byes"

In the sport of cricket, a bye is a run scored by the batting team when the ball has not been hit by the batsman and the ball has not hit the batsman's body.

Being Australian, I am guessing he means the second definition.

**Apone**

I'd prefer generic characters as well. Your only going to have them "counts as" if they are named anyway and it always feels a bit naff doing that.

**EdMorgan**

Dexy wrote:
EdMorgan wrote:I think i'd rather have the generic characters, at least then we can build our own fluff...

On a side note, what does the "BYE" mean at the end of all your posts, HBMC?

Thanks to Google:
adieu: a farewell remark; "they said their good-byes"

In the sport of cricket, a bye is a run scored by the batting team when the ball has not been hit by the batsman and the ball has not hit the batsman's body.

Being Australian, I am guessing he means the second definition.

I figured with it being capitalised it was an acronym for something, lol...

**George Spiggott**

there's not much in it with Imperial Guard Officers having very little choice of wargear. An option that will no doubt become even more limited in future.

I'd like to see the officer out of Dawn of War become a special character.

**Kingsley**

EdMorgan wrote:You'd have thought that Orbital Bombardments would be restricted to Apocalypse games, surely?

Those spaceships have mighty big guns y'know...

Marines can call down a form of Orbital Strike in their new codex. It's a one-use Strength 10 AP 1 Ordnance Barrage.

**BoxANT**

H.B.M.C. wrote:So rather than losing all our Doctrines and getting a bunch of special characters that dramatically alter our force we lose Doctrines and get a bunch of mundane no-named characters that dramatically alter our force.

We're all heard the line "A rose by any other name...", right?

BYE

Sounds like the "Fleet Officer" will not be a special character, just an alternative HQ. I hope this is the direction they take, different HQ, different type of army. Actually makes sense, just as long as this HQ is not in addition to our normal HQ.

**djones520**

The option to call down an orbital bombardment every turn, on top of this rumor that 3 Leman Russ's will count as a single heavy support choice? The basic guardsmen will get cheaper, so people can afford more pie plates.

I'm sorry but if this is true at all, IG will become the epitomy of broken.

**H.B.M.C.**

Well it does make sense, but it's still characters defining the army rather than the player defining the army. Just because he's 'Generic Fleet Commander' rather than 'Admiral Orbital von Bombardment of the 128934127th Lunar Assault Division' doesn't make it that much different from a gameplay perspective.

BYE

**Necros**

Well... guess I'm gonna have to grab some more boxes of cadians before they get the redo

But luckily most of my army is pretty much done as far as troops go.. i'm even switching gears a bit and moving more toward an armored company for apoc and that's pretty much all I play lately. In fact out of all the new stuff all I think I'd really be buying is 2 plastic valks, 1 for each stormtrooper unit I have. I was gonna buy chimeras for em since I always use them as grenadiers, may as well wait

I don't mind the leaders being the guys that give the special rules and the orbital bombardment thing sounds like it could be a lot of fun. But I don't use comissars at all now and I don't expect I'll need em later... psychers? priests? why bother when you can leave them home and bring bigger guns instead?

So I'm gonna go ahead and assume they'll be giving us the Valk in mayish, and then a vulture conversion kit when Planetstrike comes out.

**EdMorgan**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well it does make sense, but it's still characters defining the army rather than the player defining the army. Just because he's 'Generic Fleet Commander' rather than ' Admiral Orbital von Bombardment of the 128934127th Lunar Assault Division ' doesn't make it that much different from a gameplay perspective.

BYE

But isn't the player defining the character that defines the army?

I think it makes sense to have an infantry commander commanding an infantry army, a tanky commanding an armoured fist, etc..

Edit to clarify who I was replying to

**bryantsbears**

H.B.M.C. wrote:So rather than losing all our Doctrines and getting a bunch of special characters that dramatically alter our force we lose Doctrines and get a bunch of mundane no-named characters that dramatically alter our force.

We're all heard the line "A rose by any other name...", right?

BYE

While I dislike the loss of the doctrines, we knew it was coming. I'm just glad, that if the rumors are correct, that we're getting a no-named character that I don't have to "count-as" to fit in with my army.

I'll take a higher priced Paratroops Officer than Major Perry Troops, who i have to "count as."

It's not ideal, but it could be worse.

**Alpharius**

bryantsbears wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:So rather than losing all our Doctrines and getting a bunch of special characters that dramatically alter our force we lose Doctrines and get a bunch of mundane no-named characters that dramatically alter our force.

We're all heard the line "A rose by any other name...", right?

BYE

While I dislike the loss of the doctrines, we knew it was coming. I'm just glad, that if the rumors are correct, that we're getting a no-named character that I don't have to "count-as" to fit in with my army.

I'll take a higher priced Paratroops Officer than Major Perry Troops, who i have to "count as."

It's not ideal, but it could be worse.

Even though there really is minimal (no?) difference between that and "counts as"...