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I think that Tigurius is the most powerful because he is the one of the most powerful psykers in the Imperium,but I wonder since Kharn has mark of Khorne which protects him from psychic powers could the mark be overcome with sufficient psychic power?
Is Ahriman powerful as Tigurius?

Ahriman (and all the other chaos lords) should be the most powerful, but GW can't match rules to background to save their lives so...

Intersting question havent read alot...well in fact nothing on Tigirius all i can say is in no way does Ahriman gamewise compare storywise. Yes he has access to all powers minus nurgles rot and fzorgle but i think he is far more devastating in fluff than the measly powers he has in the game.

What about Marneus Calgar,Dante and Logan Grimnar.

Exactly.
It really bugs me that Cassius is tougher than Typhus, the Herald of Nurgle too. Would it have killed them to give him Eternal Warrior?

In terms of political power though, Calgar has got to be the most impressive.

Agreed with da boss.

Probably Marneus and Abaddon? If you count the Dæmon Primarchs as Space Marines, then any of those except Angron.

Asherian the founder of the Storm Crusaders. A psyker who was so imposing that many believed him to be a primarch. (hes still alive ^.^)

Imperial: one of the Grand Masters of the Grey Knights.
Chaos: Ahriman or Abaddon.


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Asherian Command wrote:Asherian the founder of the Storm Crusaders. A psyker who was so imposing that many believed him to be a primarch. (hes still alive ^.^)

no

ph34r wrote:Imperial: one of the Grand Masters of the Grey Knights.
Chaos: Ahriman or Abaddon.


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Asherian Command wrote:Asherian the founder of the Storm Crusaders. A psyker who was so imposing that many believed him to be a primarch. (hes still alive ^.^)

no

+1.

The closest Astartes to a Grey Knight that could be an equal match, if not better are the Adeptus Custodes. The only drawback is there are no recorded psyker Custodes.

Ahh jeez i even own GKs and forgot about them.... their power of being not talked about works on me apparently

The Traitor Legions would have more powerful members than the loyalists. I'd say Ahriman, Abbadon, and Kharn are all very powerful, and older than any living space marine (except dreadnoughts).

Of the Loyalists, Dante being one of the oldest space marines alive is likely one of the most powerful, and I would rank Logan Grimnar up there with him.

+1 to GK Grand Master(flash?) for loyalists.

They can Whoop Up on anything in the game, Instant Death style.

"Goodbye Mr. Carnifex! Goodbye Mrs. Nightbringer! I didn't forget about you, Dr. Demon Prince!"

If we're talking toughest Loyalist Psyker, my vote would go to Njal. He's the master psyker basically and can control weather to kill people. That's some big shet right thar.

Non-Psyker Loyalist goes to either Calgar or Logan Grimnar as well. I mean, while Calgar is a force, I'd say Grimnar's sheer amazing battle-fury makes him more than a match for Calgar.

Traitor Psyker is no competition. Ahriman all the way.

And then Traitor Non-Psyker obviously goes to Abaddon. Gotta remember that he's the only one that every Chaos God be loving like they do.

You don't think Tigurius is a more potent psyker than Njal? That cat stuck his consciousness into the Hive Mind and came out just fine!

Epic.

I think it's stated under his entry that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium (which sucks for the Emperor I guess?).

Also, there are no psyker custodes? I thought they were all psykers.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I think it's stated under his entry that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium (which sucks for the Emperor I guess?).

Also, there are no psyker custodes? I thought they were all psykers.

He's the most powerful "that isn't The Emperor."

And I'm trying to remember if the custodes in Tales from the Heresy were psykers or not...

Orkeosaurus wrote:I think it's stated under his entry that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium (which sucks for the Emperor I guess?).

Also, there are no psyker custodes? I thought they were all psykers.

Well, I've just never heard of any. There are Custodes and Terminator Custodes. That's all you hear about.

Any Grey Knight Grand Master would be up for nomination. They're the most skilled, best equipped, and most powerful psykers in the imperium. Going toe-to-toe with Greater Daemons is all in a day's work for them, and the forces of Chaos feel fear when in their presence.

Going by fluff, a GKGM would eat any marine alive.

Well what are we rating them on, fluff or rules?

So Traitor Normal > Abbadon
Traitor Psyk> Ahrimen

Normal> Calgar (he has a mini empire dude)
Psyker Normal> Mepheston, blessed by Sangarious himself and the only Blood Angel to ever beat the Red Thirst and Black Rage.

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I think it's stated under his entry that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium (which sucks for the Emperor I guess?).

Also, there are no psyker custodes? I thought they were all psykers.

Well, I've just never heard of any. There are Custodes and Terminator Custodes. That's all you hear about.

Well they wouldn't be dedicated psykers in the sense that a Librarian is. They would just universally have psychic abilities, in addition to their other traits (I believe this is already the case for the Gray Knights).

in general, i think the traitor is much stronger. just from the status of the units and HQ. sad for loyalist.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Well they wouldn't be dedicated psykers in the sense that a Librarian is. They would just universally have psychic abilities, in addition to their other traits (I believe this is already the case for the Gray Knights).

I'm pretty sure all combat ready Grey Knights are, at least in the fluff, psykers on equivalent level to Librarians.

I don't recall custodes being psykers. It doesnt really make sense for them to be since there should have been NO imperial sanctioned psykers pre heresy, they were banned werent they? Especially not close to terra and the emperor.

Only poor Magnus and his thousand sons practised in seclusion and look where that led them, tried to help Horus and he got dobbed in.

Psykers came back only when the heresy started, and fluff wise a lot of marines and high functionaries still distrust them.


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Mephiston, Calgar and Grimnar for the imperium. Ahriman and Abbadon for the traitors.

Mr. Burning wrote:I don't recall custodes being psykers. It doesnt really make sense for them to be since there should have been NO imperial sanctioned psykers pre heresy, they were banned werent they? Especially not close to terra and the emperor.

Actually, no. The Council of Nikaea only banned sorcery (trafficking with powers of the warp and such), not psykery of any form. They used Navigators and Astropaths during the great crusade in the same manner that they do now, and as Librarians were present at the council they must have existed as well.

Ahh wouldn't Lucius the eternal be the strongest as he can't really die in a sense. Also some Primarchs could still be alive like Vulkan, and they are almost as good as the emperor.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:I don't recall custodes being psykers. It doesnt really make sense for them to be since there should have been NO imperial sanctioned psykers pre heresy, they were banned werent they? Especially not close to terra and the emperor.

Actually, no. The Council of Nikaea only banned sorcery (trafficking with powers of the warp and such), not psykery of any form. They used Navigators and Astropaths during the great crusade in the same manner that they do now, and as Librarians were present at the council they must have existed as well.

Ah, thanks, wasn't terribly sure. BUt i still don't think Custodes are psykers.

The Emperor is the most powerful space marine.

No. The Emperor. Is Not. A Space Marine.

The Chapter Master of the Legion of the Damned.