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Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

No, I have been using the same models for my army since 2001 in 3rd edition. The models rarely update.

Dantalian wrote:No, I have been using the same models for my army since 2001 in 3rd edition. The models rarely update.

yay, just made my worry about one less thing, thanks.

Even if they do update your core models it doesn't mean the models you have can't be used or anything like that. I know a guy whose army is made up of mostly Rogue Trader era Marines and he's even got two of the goofy old style Land Raiders.

Yes it'll mean new models.

Yes it would even possibly look different aesthetically.

But No, chances are you are safe been able to use what you currently own. The only issue if any, are base size changes.

Other issues involve your models wargear being either illegal or sub-par under the new rules. For example, if they make is so "Gets Hot" allows no armor save, you might not want all the plasma in your army, even though it's still legal to field. Or the new Codex doesn't have the option for both bikes and storm shields on the same model in command squads. (Both these examples are totally made up to illustrate my point, no basis in rumors/reality)

Occasionally you can have massive shakeups. I played an Undead army in WHFB before they split it into "Tomb Kings" and "Vampire Counts" Luckily the theme of my army was undead bretonians, so I was able to make the switch OK, but I did miss my skull chuckers, carrion, and the odd mummy. Other changes are easier to deal with. My Tyranid war vets serve with the sternguard now, rather then their own unit.

This also doesn't address power levels. My scouts get a lot less use then they did when they were WS/BS 4. Storm shields get a lot more use now that they work against shooting. So even if all your old stuff still works fine, you might want to buy/convert to the new shiny stuff.

I have a feeling that this version will almost certainly be backwards compatible with the present codex books and models. Though rule changes sometimes make certain weapons and units behave so differently, that you'll regret gluing them. I've had to snap the arms off quite a few minis over the years to keep them up to date.

One of the nastiest changes was between version 2 and 3. They cut so much out of the game that time, quite a few modes and weapons didn't exist any more. Things like assault marines with power weapons became illegal. And in the case of Squats, the whole army got cut loose. I doubt they'll make such dramatic changes this time though.

Ryan_A wrote:... will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Er, no. You can use whatever models you like to play the game as long as they match the description. Me? I'm still using my 20 year old Rogue Trader Imperial Guardsmen and a quick browse round some sites P&M blogs shows I'm not alone in using older GW miniatures.

Also, as I don't game at GW locale's, nothing's stopping me using Mantic Corporation or Sedition Wars Vanguard troopers as guardsmen either

Ryan_A wrote:For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

No models go obsolete ever. Even if they're old models with weapons on them no longer legal (like Rogue Trader Space Marines with shuriken catapults), they're still fine (though might need a bit of explaining, like that Marine instead having a bolter).GW even have a part of their rulebooks that say this - use your old miniatures, just make sure they are used on the base they came with (which can lead to seeing old big models and daemons on square bases).

This isn't video gaming. A new edition doesn't force you to go and buy a whole new army. The models work just like they used to, and no store or group anywhere ever will refuse you using them.

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Ryan_A wrote:For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

No models go obsolete ever. Even if they're old models with weapons on them no longer legal (like Rogue Trader Space Marines with shuriken catapults), they're still fine (though might need a bit of explaining, like that Marine instead having a bolter).GW even have a part of their rulebooks that say this - use your old miniatures, just make sure they are used on the base they came with (which can lead to seeing old big models and daemons on square bases).

This isn't video gaming. A new edition doesn't force you to go and buy a whole new army. The models work just like they used to, and no store or group anywhere ever will refuse you using them.

Thanks so much.

Although bear in mind that sometimes updated models can cause trouble. I'm thinking specifically of the redesigned terminator kits. Because of the base size changes and scale creep, the old style terminators looked stupid and out of place to the extent I ended up replacing all my old style termies with new ones.

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's complicated. The new starter set may revise a few models for the factions included, but these may be 'simplified' models, so they may not. For example, assuming the set has Space Marines in it, they may keep the current Space Marine models for tactical squads, but the sprues in the starter may be simpler models like the snap-together versiosn they've used in the past. Aesthetically, ocne assembled and painted these should fit in reasonably well with the more complex models.

In time, new Codecies will be released for various factions and some models will be redone. Which models depends heavily on the faction: For example, plastics have more expensive molds, so a longer time to make back the investment. It's not worth turning these models over quickly. Metals/finecast models are more likely to get new models, especially if they're really old or known as 'troublesome' for whatever reason.

However, you can still use old models int he new edition, so this is not a big deal. You may want to upgrade, and may feel the desire to try out new options, but you don't have to. Space Marines are one of the safest as GW seems unwilling to really massively redo them, althoguh they have changed over time. Compare to IG, where you have very different plastics in the form of the Cadians and Catachans that can look odd side-by-side.

Balance wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's complicated. The new starter set may revise a few models for the factions included, but these may be 'simplified' models, so they may not. For example, assuming the set has Space Marines in it, they may keep the current Space Marine models for tactical squads, but the sprues in the starter may be simpler models like the snap-together versiosn they've used in the past. Aesthetically, ocne assembled and painted these should fit in reasonably well with the more complex models.

In time, new Codecies will be released for various factions and some models will be redone. Which models depends heavily on the faction: For example, plastics have more expensive molds, so a longer time to make back the investment. It's not worth turning these models over quickly. Metals/finecast models are more likely to get new models, especially if they're really old or known as 'troublesome' for whatever reason.

However, you can still use old models int he new edition, so this is not a big deal. You may want to upgrade, and may feel the desire to try out new options, but you don't have to. Space Marines are one of the safest as GW seems unwilling to really massively redo them, althoguh they have changed over time. Compare to IG, where you have very different plastics in the form of the Cadians and Catachans that can look odd side-by-side.

thank you for the indepth review!

filbert wrote:Although bear in mind that sometimes updated models can cause trouble. I'm thinking specifically of the redesigned terminator kits. Because of the base size changes and scale creep, the old style terminators looked stupid and out of place to the extent I ended up replacing all my old style termies with new ones.

On the flip side, I like my old school terminators, but I'm probably never going to expand my assault squad past the 5 I own. I can't just get the new box, as they would tower over my old ones, and don't feel like finding/trading/stripping/repainting old minis to match the ones I have. Assuming anyone would be willing to part with them.

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Yes. They redo some models, to keep the lines freash, but run of the mill troops are pretty much standard, except when they relaunch a faction/ army.

then they pull all stops out, relaunch everything, and pretty much start from scratch.

Some armies become obsolete, and go the way of "Squatted." Some armies just get retooled, and thier playstyle changes.


Long answer, yes, Short answer- No. Play whith what you have until you relearn the game and decide on how your army needs to evolve to the new way of the game.

Be careful, on this edition, though. I do not see a very good resale return on finecast.

we are not likely to see models redone. We are likey to see new releases and the "finecast" treatment of decent metal models.

We will only see redone models with codex flips. So, in that regard, given that the core rulebook is flipping, and Eldar were flipped back in 4th edition, I can forsee new eldar models. Possibly new CSM models as well, though I find that unlikely.

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Yes GW will be doing away with bolters entirely in the new edition, and all of the vehicles will become hover tanks. Conversion kits will be sold, don't worry with a little elbow grease you will be updated in no time.

AustonT wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Yes GW will be doing away with bolters entirely in the new edition, and all of the vehicles will become hover tanks. Conversion kits will be sold, don't worry with a little elbow grease you will be updated in no time.

LOL, that was great.

Ryan_A wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:Alright, so 6th edition is comeing out soon, my question is, "Are the models going to be redone?"

For example, I have about 4000 pts of space marines (tac, assault, LRs, etc), will these models be redone and make the models I have been worknig on for years obsolete?

Yes GW will be doing away with bolters entirely in the new edition, and all of the vehicles will become hover tanks. Conversion kits will be sold, don't worry with a little elbow grease you will be updated in no time.

LOL, that was great.

I write for White Dwarf

Furthermore, there are times when the updated models look inferior to the existing sculpts. Below is an infamous example...


Rogue Trader/2nd Edition Striking Scorpions


3rd Edition Striking Scorpions

Needless to say, most preferred the models in the top picture

Some models are outdated when they get new sculpts - I doubt many people would be okay with TLOS to the old marine sized Avatar, old Warrior sized Carnifexes, or the Hive Tyrants that are that size.

tuebor wrote:Even if they do update your core models it doesn't mean the models you have can't be used or anything like that. I know a guy whose army is made up of mostly Rogue Trader era Marines and he's even got two of the goofy old style Land Raiders.

I remember when the old RT land raiders, preds, etc were common in stores. I wasnt into 40k (Battletech player back then) so I passed them over. Now I really like them, and wish I had a few of them.


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poda_t wrote:we are not likely to see models redone. We are likey to see new releases and the "finecast" treatment of decent metal models.

We will only see redone models with codex flips. So, in that regard, given that the core rulebook is flipping, and Eldar were flipped back in 4th edition, I can forsee new eldar models. Possibly new CSM models as well, though I find that unlikely.

PA CSM will likely not be changed, but Termies might see a bit of an update. There is a masterclass (or something like that) bieng done in Sept (IIRC) on how to paint CSM termies. Thats about the time a 6th edition starter set (heavily rumored to include CSM) will hit...and why would they do a big painting deal on one of the older, more basic kits available?

Also its heavily rumored that CSM will be the first 6th ed codex...and that will surely include some new/updated minis.

However like its been mentioned...u can use any generation minis you want, as long as your opponent can clearly tell what they are.





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rigeld2 wrote:Some models are outdated when they get new sculpts - I doubt many people would be okay with TLOS to the old marine sized Avatar, old Warrior sized Carnifexes, or the Hive Tyrants that are that size.

Meh, someone that fussy (outside a tourney) is someone I dont want to play against. Those are the TFGs who make a game not fun.

"Are the models going to be redone?"

Oh how I wish.
Sometimes they throw in some new bits and bobs to make it seem like theres something new about a kit with a Codex/Edition change.
Example: Tactical Marine box around 4th Edition. A bit of a shuffle of sprues and adding in a new shoulder pad with studs and some new purity scrolls and seals.
However sometimes its an annoying change in some ways.
Example 1: Vampire Counts Skeletons box. Used to come with 20 models. Now a complete re-design which is pretty nice BUT you now only get 10 models.
Example 2: Tyranids 5th edition drops. They separate the Gaunts box which came with Hormagaunts and Termigaunts, 16 altogether and now they separated them into 2 boxes of 10.

tuebor wrote:Even if they do update your core models it doesn't mean the models you have can't be used or anything like that. I know a guy whose army is made up of mostly Rogue Trader era Marines and he's even got two of the goofy old style Land Raiders.

Yes to this. Tourney people may not like it but theres nothing saying you can't use them.

Mad4Minis wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:Some models are outdated when they get new sculpts - I doubt many people would be okay with TLOS to the old marine sized Avatar, old Warrior sized Carnifexes, or the Hive Tyrants that are that size.

Meh, someone that fussy (outside a tourney) is someone I dont want to play against. Those are the TFGs who make a game not fun.

The ones fielding the models, or the ones objecting to me using them?

filbert wrote:Although bear in mind that sometimes updated models can cause trouble. I'm thinking specifically of the redesigned terminator kits. Because of the base size changes and scale creep, the old style terminators looked stupid and out of place to the extent I ended up replacing all my old style termies with new ones.

Aye, try sporting the little rhinos and predator along side newer models. Its laughable. I dig my old tanks!

OP- IMO the older the model the better(2nd guy here)! Not everyone thinks like that however. But you should never be not welcome at any event if you have OOP GW models.