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In line with the request from the moderators that we have one thread per book, it seems like an idea to get the thread for the book-after-next created while I'm on my lunch break.
I think all the information we currently know about the book came from the preview on Saturday:
Spoiler:
The eighth book in the galaxy-spanning Psychic Awakening reaches the ruins of Cadia. While Abaddon the Despoiler has moved on to Vigilus, another villain is looking to make the system his new playground.
Yes, Fabius Bile is back! Congratulations if you picked up on the not-so-subtle hints that we’ve been dropping. This iconic character has spent 10,000 years terrorising the galaxy, and this glorious new model perfectly encapsulates his warped genius. He’s the last of the original “classic” Chaos Space Marines characters to be updated and, just like with Abaddon, Ahriman and Khârn, he’s well worth the wait. Let’s take a closer look at how the Primogenitor has changed.
As well as returning with an epic new model, Fabius is also the cover star of the next book in the Psychic Awakening saga – War of the Spider. As he spins his plans and schemes, his enemies close in on him – the Death Guard, Officio Assassinorum and Talons of the Emperor all have their reasons for wanting to stop Bile. Along with background on the battles taking place amid the ruins of the Cadia System, the book will include new rules for the Adeptus Custodes, Sisters of Silence and Imperial Assassins. There are also additional rules for each of the seven Plague Companies of the Death Guard and a new Chaos Space Marines sub-faction called Agents of Bile, representing the twisted creations of the Clonefather.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
I think we're unlikely to see a new datasheet for Chaos outside of Fabius Bile. If there's going to be anything to represent his new toys, it'll probably be a stratagem (think Veteran Intercessors).
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With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
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Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
Hopefully they will finally get power armour option then!
As GW is doing minimal effort with Bile's creations I assume it will just be the usual single Relic, Chater tactic and a few strats as a Chaos Space Marines sub faction - still at least they get a model!
Crossed fingers that Sisters of Silence get at least a HQ character option. Even a kit bash one - apparently its good enough for Grey Knights Grandmaster babycarrier.
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Manfred von Drakken wrote: I think we're unlikely to see a new datasheet for Chaos outside of Fabius Bile. If there's going to be anything to represent his new toys, it'll probably be a stratagem (think Veteran Intercessors).
I suspect it will come with new legion rules as well for the agents of bile
Bowie wrote: What are the chances the rules for Sisters of silence/Assassins won't just be copy pasted from white dwarf?
For Assassins, 100%, given they did explicitly announce new rules for them.
For Sisters of Silence, a straight re-print is possible, but unlikely.
At minimum, Sisters of Silence will have some sort of "Talons of the Emperor" keyword thing to make them play nicely with Custodes - GW said as much when revealing the Black Library character pair.
At least one strategem for each of the three SoS units seems pretty likely as well.
Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
What is 'Pariah' other than an Eisenhorn/Bequin novel?
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Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
What is 'Pariah' other than an Eisenhorn/Bequin novel?
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Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
What is 'Pariah' other than an Eisenhorn/Bequin novel?
As above, one version of Pariahs are (human?) "blanks", people without a warp presence. Alizebeth Bequin from the Eisenhorn novels is such a person. Culexus Assassins are also made from "blanks".
Old Necron lore, as mentioned above, had human blanks connected to Necron lore, and Necrons used to have a unit called Pariahs, though they were cut (fluff and models) with the Necron re-launch in 5th.
On the Harlequin / Sister side, there is a rogue Harlequin called "the Pariah" that has worked with Ephrael Stern / Daemonifuge in the lore (who is herself an outcast Sisters ... a "pariah" of sorts).
So that could be name-drops for Clowns and Sisters, if (which rarely happens) GW wanted to build on (somewhat dated) Black Library lore.
I mentioned in the other thread, it would be really cool if in reaction to the psychic awakening, the necrons were actively searching out the pariah gene again, and they were sent to go collect a decent source of it.... Only issue is, the Inquisition are doing exactly the same thing and send out the DW to protect their assets.
Maybe we should change the name of this thread to War of the Spider and Pariah otherwise it may get locked for talking off topic though.
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Wild speculation: could Bile be where the Blackstone Fortress Renegade Guardsmen get published rules rather than relying on just the boxed set's booklet?
GaroRobe wrote: To be fair, Ephrael Stern did have a cameo with the harlequin during psychic awakening. So it could totally be them
wrong Sisters.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
GaroRobe wrote: To be fair, Ephrael Stern did have a cameo with the harlequin during psychic awakening. So it could totally be them
wrong Sisters.
Well, it was an off-topic tangent about Pariah, which in turn is the rumoured (but not confirmed) book after War of the Spider, which in turn is speculated to possibly be the last PA, which in turn is thus speculated to thus include Sister of Battle, which in turn led to even more far-fetched speculations about Ephrael Stern (in other words, expect "rumours" along the lines of Ephrael Stern getting a mini soon to appear within the next day or two )
Either way, seems improbable, not least because the current Sisters Codex has no psychic tree.
Mr Morden wrote: Crossed fingers that Sisters of Silence get at least a HQ character option. Even a kit bash one - apparently its good enough for Grey Knights Grandmaster babycarrier.
The obvious solution would be to just make sisters superior into HQ choices and reduce the minimum unit size to four models. I'm not sure why they didn't do that already.
They can take Primaris Psykers as HQ now though, can't they?
Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
To be fair, sub-factions for Custodes dropping their The Emperor's Chosen bonus to their invul. for ... something else ... are probably a giant waste of paper.
Asmodai wrote: With Assassins and Sisters of Silence in this book, there will be only one White Dwarf army left (Inquisitors). I have a hunch they may show up in Pariah.
Plague Companies were mentioned with Death Guard - but Watches weren't for Custodes. I'm curious if that omission means they won't be getting subfaction rules.
To be fair, sub-factions for Custodes dropping their The Emperor's Chosen bonus to their invul. for ... something else ... are probably a giant waste of paper.
That is true - the only situation where it's useful is the list spamming 30 Sword and Board Custodian Guard since they don't benefit from the increased invul anyway. GW probably doesn't want to encourage that list.
Mr Morden wrote: Crossed fingers that Sisters of Silence get at least a HQ character option. Even a kit bash one - apparently its good enough for Grey Knights Grandmaster babycarrier.
The obvious solution would be to just make sisters superior into HQ choices and reduce the minimum unit size to four models. I'm not sure why they didn't do that already.
They can take Primaris Psykers as HQ now though, can't they?
Theymay not work with the new list - Depends if they will be classifed as Talons or not likely not.
But yeah that would work but GW often does not do the logical thing.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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I'd be surprised. I think Fabulous Bill is the only Chaos release this book. And rightly so - Chaos have enjoyed a glut of releases for some time.
Yea, I'v had a thought that Agents of bile will literally only be a legion trait and a single stratagem.
Oh I reckon there'll be a lot more rules, just no other new model releases.
Presumably it'll be a subfaction trait, a number of unique stratagems, 1 or 2 relics, maybe a psychic tree and that's it? Perhaps a new mechanic unique to the faction?
Well, if there is more stuff, we should very likely see it in the preview tomorrow.
But the looks of it, Engine War is the one with the higher number of new kits released (and Saga of the Beast with a box akin to Phoenix Rising). War of the Spider (and whatever comes after) will likely be back to the single clam-pack version we've seen for things like Blood of Baal and Ritual of the Damned.
Depending on how far they go with Fabious, it could just a few basic stratagems that allow him to re-roll his "unit-upgrade"-roll or something, or they could have him unlock "custom-unit-upgrades" with a mechanic similar to the Tyranid unit adaptive biologies, the Tau customization of units from Greater Good, etc..
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I'd be surprised. I think Fabulous Bill is the only Chaos release this book. And rightly so - Chaos have enjoyed a glut of releases for some time.
Yea, I'v had a thought that Agents of bile will literally only be a legion trait and a single stratagem.
Chances are pretty high that it is indeed just the lazy way out for GW.
Then again just like the AOBR Deffkopta is in the smae category as 80% of the cultists and the chosen.
Shame really.
One can hope.
Also at AAE: By that same measure you didn't need ghazkull, even though he was old or failcast. Not a good measureing stick.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
