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They look good but Death Guard will be STARVING for CP with all of that, because most stratagems are not "Making something good even better " but more into the "making something bad actually usable"

Am i right in saying because LORD OF CONTAGION is in caps it means it's a keyword and therefore we can give Typhus the reroll ones stratagem? That is well worth a CP to leave the vanilla lord at home...!

 Galas wrote:
They look good but Death Guard will be STARVING for CP with all of that, because most stratagems are not "Making something good even better " but more into the "making something bad actually usable"

welcome to chaos 1 o 1, firstly screw units actually beeing worht something because you can stack BUFFS ON ONE UNIT , pray that your opponent has a key mini on the field and delete it and pray that your SV actually works for once.

What you play against Nu Marines? Well , you just lost the long war.

I'm happy most of the useful stuff is in general stratagems. At least it means we don't have to lock our self into specific plague companies to get the most out of this PA. As for the Plague Companies themselves, most seem very lackluster except for the Daemon engine one and the Poxwalker one if you are into that playstyle. Overall I'm happy with what we got, could it have been better? Yes always but I'm fairly confident some of the good stuff will be rolled into our datasheets once we get our new Codex eventually.

 Jidmah wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So mostly garbage as expected

Don't be so harsh with yourself

I'm not wrong.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So mostly garbage as expected

Don't be so harsh with yourself

I'm not wrong.

Oh, I do agree.

 Jidmah wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So mostly garbage as expected

Don't be so harsh with yourself

I'm not wrong.

Oh, I do agree.

I'm not sure if you're trying to agree with me or not

He is making Fun of you in a dry humourus manner, something Germans occaisonally do.

Just occaisonally though

Quite funny you can make fabius have a cohort of plague marines that are t7 when someone shoots at them

 Latro_ wrote:
Quite funny you can make fabius have a cohort of plague marines that are t7 when someone shoots at them

Taking Walking Tank literally

Sacred number of nurgle to boot.

Shame the dg are chasing him. I guess it's quite a fabous thing to do, have his own nurgle plague marines that hes "convinced" into his service.... oh and hes made them tougher much tougher... in your smelly face mortariun

Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the shorthad some of you are using - what exactly is the difference between a "5+", "5++", and "5+++" supposed to be?

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the shorthad some of you are using - what exactly is the difference between a "5+", "5++", and "5+++" supposed to be?

+= Armor
++= Invul
+++= Fnp.

And fnp is feel no pain, a reference to an old rule from another edition.

It's basically any save that ignores wounds after any normal or invulnerable saves.

Not Online!!! wrote:
He is making Fun of you in a dry humourus manner, something Germans occaisonally do.

Just occaisonally though

True enough. German humor isn’t really a laughing matter.

I wonder what a game without their egregious Marine books would be like. It seems all these PA books are written for a world without them.

A game without primaris would be a much better game, that's for certain.

Just read all the dg stuff. Will use about 2 or 3 rules out of that entire set.

Dg are gonna get hit hard with the 9th ed points bat, I have a feeling in my rancid puss filled gut. So anything might help.

At this point chaos as a whole is just a mass of a lot of rules that are there for the sake of it. It's like every birthday your family buy you a screw driver set, half of them are the same size you might have use for the weird Allen key you got one year but all in all ye generally got a tool box and would like something new like a cool lazer measure or a nail gun... nope have 5 more flat head screw drivers, now you have a red green blue orange and pink set! Woo hoo... ugh

That's chaos for you. 5984 different rules, with 5940 of them bad and samey. But the ones that are a good, are REALLY good...

 Latro_ wrote:
Just read all the dg stuff. Will use about 2 or 3 rules out of that entire set.

Dg are gonna get hit hard with the 9th ed points bat, I have a feeling in my rancid puss filled gut. So anything might help.

At this point chaos as a whole is just a mass of a lot of rules that are there for the sake of it. It's like every birthday your family buy you a screw driver set, half of them are the same size you might have use for the weird Allen key you got one year but all in all ye generally got a tool box and would like something new like a cool lazer measure or a nail gun... nope have 5 more flat head screw drivers, now you have a red green blue orange and pink set! Woo hoo... ugh

Chaos in general seem to be "here we will give 40 different builds with tons of combos, but most of them wont work in face of a sniper just shooting your leader or you just dont have enough CP to make it work consistently", fitting I suppose. we get so many rules, units and stratagems but when it comes down to it the most competitive way to play is just take the alpha legion -1 to be shot.

I am interested to see what detachments are like in 9th, im wanting to add fabius to my list but battalions only getting 3 HQ slots is going to make the character heavy chaos lists (I need dark apostle, deamon prince and or sorcerer and now fabius) as well as the set CP costs (and cp charge for further detachments) will make the CP starved Chaos struggle as it relies heavily on making use of all the weird stratagems, vigilus detachments, relics and other stuff just to make Chaos compete as a faction viable. I can already burn through a bunch of CP just on endless cacophony, frequencies, combat elixer, honour the prince and extra relic costs on first turn of the game.

 Latro_ wrote:
Just read all the dg stuff. Will use about 2 or 3 rules out of that entire set.

Dg are gonna get hit hard with the 9th ed points bat, I have a feeling in my rancid puss filled gut. So anything might help.

Why would you assume this? Everyone is going up in points likely to where they began in 8th. Likely DG will be better off than most factions. Start making 1600pt lists and that is likely the amount you will have to play in relative to the next edition points values.

There are some stupid strong combos DG have now. A unit of 20 poxwalkes can easily bring down a knight now with buffs. PBCs are also very deadly with entropy cannons and dameon engines getting a 4++ save is very strong.

I'm not seeing anything that de-thrones Arch Contaminator as the only useful warlord trait. Though Ironclot Furnace may actually beat out the Helm?

Blighthaulers running around with a 4++, giving attacks to units within 7" an additional AP, and then firing into melee in the next edition sounds spicy.

Foulgush seems great.

Virulent rounds, Volley, and arch contaminator may be the only easily achievable combo? Especially as DG rapidfire to 18". 20 man plague marine squad firing 80 shots, rerolling all failed wounds, etc. But that's ~3cp per bit. 4cp if you also blow veterans of the long war, and for maybe 10 wounds on a knight?

Situational, which is what stratagems should be. No stratagems that strive for Iron Hands levels of power though.

broxus wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Just read all the dg stuff. Will use about 2 or 3 rules out of that entire set.

Dg are gonna get hit hard with the 9th ed points bat, I have a feeling in my rancid puss filled gut. So anything might help.

Why would you assume this? Everyone is going up in points likely to where they began in 8th. Likely DG will be better off than most factions. Start making 1600pt lists and that is likely the amount you will have to play in relative to the next edition points values.

There are some stupid strong combos DG have now. A unit of 20 poxwalkes can easily bring down a knight now with buffs. PBCs are also very deadly with entropy cannons and dameon engines getting a 4++ save is very strong.

just a feeling i have

Who puts EC's pn PBC? anyone? lol
4+ is great, if you spam DE but how does the characte keep up with them?

Pure DG players do. It's not like you have an abundance of other anti-tank options to chose from.

I was quite happy with the Death Guard PA updates. One or two of them are great, several of them are situationally useful and a few are just there to fill the pages. Pretty much like every set of PA releases so far.
Fabious is interesting if nothing else, it could be quite fun using enhanced berzerkers, possessed and warp talons, but probably not that competitive.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but the new Unholy Essence strat for The Inexorable, that does nothing in 9th, right? Vehicles can already move and fire without penalty, so what good is Inexorable Advance for them?

Perhaps it's a sign that the day 1 FaQs for 9th will finally fix Inexorable Advance so that it won't be as useless as it currently is?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe I'm misremembering, but the new Unholy Essence strat for The Inexorable, that does nothing in 9th, right? Vehicles can already move and fire without penalty, so what good is Inexorable Advance for them?

Why, it allows your Rhino to rapid-fire its combi-plasma from 18" away! Up to three of them, in fact! That is surely worth 1 CP.

There‘ll be a lot of useless and unclear 8th Ed. rules, once 9th hits.

All the new AdMech „instead of Overwatch“ strats for example are also weird now, if you need to pay a CP to Overwatch to than again replace Overwatch with another Strat.

People just need to accept that Pychic Awakening is just random bloat thrown out with minimal editions and testing to milk the end of 8th., not some secret „designed with 9th in mind“-masterplan

yukishiro1 wrote:
A game without primaris would be a much better game, that's for certain.

Remember, for like 75 percent of 8th edition, marines were trash tier. And primaris more than that since they weren't in any of the early Gman flyer spam index lists.