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Fateweaver wrote:I mean how many Daemon armies exist that DON'T spam 3x4 Crushers (or more)?

I only own a single Crusher.

Archonate wrote:I gotta say, this is one of the most unworthy uses of GWs time and resources that I've ever seen.
Demons have an amazing models range already.
Who asked for this? We have Eldar, Tau, DE, SoBs, Chaos and Necrons who are all struggling to enjoy the game using outdated codices full of obsolete rules... And GW is still vomiting superfluous garbage like Spearhead, more SMs, and now some new models that nobody asked for.

It feels like GW keeps throwing up barriers to keep armies that need updates away from the fans of those armies.

Jesus christ, grow up. Yeah, I get it. You're a bitter Dark Eldar player. Join the club.

Do you really think the sculptors are the ones writing the books? Does having Jes Goodwin on the one job slow down actual paper releases? Isn't it more logical to believe that Marines get gak out so frequently, because they all have a base model to design from that doesn't change to often? You can rewrite the rules for the marines, paint them a color and have a whole new "release" where-as the Xenos races need more work and typically (Tau and Nids not withstanding) don't sell like marines?

Do you really think people want more sisters and Dark Eldar to begin with? They are niche armys, and I play DE. I love Sisters. Does my opinion of them matter? Not when I'm one of 2 active DE players within 20 miles of my location.

Do you really just stay awake in a cold sweat, thinking about how everything released outside your tiny window of played armies delays your own toys? That's incredibly immature and obnoxious.

Platuan4th wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:I mean how many Daemon armies exist that DON'T spam 3x4 Crushers (or more)?

I only own a single Crusher.

If I had Seekers that I could field without modding an entire army or having to hunt down more discontinued Daemonettes on Steeds, I wouldn't use a single crusher, I don't believe.


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Archonate wrote:
Who asked for this? We have Eldar, Tau, DE, SoBs, Chaos and Necrons who are all struggling to enjoy the game using outdated codices full of obsolete rules.

If this isn't a gross overgeneralization, I don't know what is. Have you read the results from 'ard Boyz? Plenty of Tau and Necrons placed. Tons of Chaos. Many Eldar (including me) and a few Dark Eldar. None of those armies are pushovers. You just may want a new, glossy codex (and who doesn't), but I think it's a far cry to say that these armies are "struggling to enjoy the game".

I have deamons for 40k, and really hope they are 1st to get new book in WFB followed by Vampire counts .

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The current bloodletters and current daemonettes look far more like the original artwork and miniatures of the Realm of Chaos era than either of their predecessors.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think the current bloodletters are pretty damned good.

They've grown on me, but as a proud owner of a few hundred dollars worth of the previous ones, I'll stick to the big-axed brutes.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Unfortunately in the daemonette's case, I think the predecessors were a far superior miniature. God only knows why they aren't even available as 'collectors edition' minis direct from GW. Someone suggested it was the bewbs and trying to make inroads in the Chinese market, where sensitivity to 'corrupting influences' is high.

Which doesn't hold water for me. They just wanted to do them in plastic. As a result, the infinitely superior old versions go the way of the do-do. Again, as an owner of over 70 of the old ones (plus 18 Daemonette Cav), I'm not fussed with the new ones being out there.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Plaguebearers are supposed to look morose and plodding, because they are morose and plodding... The Tally men have to mope about counting all day and doing the washing up, whilst the Great Unclean Ones, Beasts and Nurglings get to have a mouldy picnic and play 'Guess Flu'.

And as the owner of over 40... wow... I'm turning into a broken record here. I don't want them to change Plague Bearers. I like how pathetic they look.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I like the current incarnation of horrors, I liked the original as well, with the 'wakka wakka' hands. I'm interested to see what will be released in their stead and slightly terrified by Waagh_Gonads mention of the revulsion of the Morley minis... but morbidly curious to know what those looked like.

The only reason I don't own any current Horrors is because I hated putting together the Daemonette models and the Horrors have even more tiny fiddly parts. Plus a friend of mine has heaps and he hates all the little arms and tentacles and whatnot. Otherwise, great models. I do love the original ones though with the giant hands. The Musician Horror that was playing his head like a drum, he was awesome!

Plastic Horrors should be a good thing, but, we said that about Daemonettes...


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Fateweaver wrote:I mean how many Daemon armies exist that DON'T spam 3x4 Crushers (or more)?

I only own one Crusher. And I swore an oth of vengeance against the moron who designed that model... big metal cavalry model with frickin' two contact points on the base. Uhhh... apparently the non-Herald model is better.

I would not be surprised to find that the horrors go back to the earlier style - if only so that GW can unearth the old 'you kill a pink horror, now replace it with 2 blue horrors' rule to make us buy more models!

Plus, who doesn't like the old cheeky grins and sucker-fingers?

I'd scoop up 2k points worth of Horrors if they went back to the big head look.

I agree with H (ugh, I threw up in my mouth a little). The drum-head horror is classic.

Fateweaver wrote:The drum-head horror is classic.

That whole Command set is in my Daemon's army. While the old ones were great models, I can't help but prefer the newer style.

I do like the new ones but I would scoop up the new plastics if they did them in the big head style. Sad thing is I've never seen the old school ones on Feebay or any trading sites.

Fateweaver wrote:I do like the new ones but I would scoop up the new plastics if they did them in the big head style. Sad thing is I've never seen the old school ones on Feebay or any trading sites.

they are occasionally on the ebay, just gotta check twice a day every day. and i am being serious, i have seen them

Fateweaver wrote:I agree with H (ugh, I threw up in my mouth a little).

I love you too gakface.

Daemon Prince Adramalech has hinted at the new releases in his regular cryptic vision format:

Daemon Prince Adramalech wrote:The veil parts.....

The mysts of the warp fall open and the mortal realm catches a glimpse of the tumultuous realm of the gods. The surface of a distant planet coalesces before you. A mighty vista streches into the distance, the sky is a multi coloured smudge that churns and roars silently like an ocean in the grip of a great and terrible maelstrom. As you take in the sight before you multi hewed creatures caper across your vision cackling endlessly as they shift and change in the edies of the Emperyian. Suddenly the Diciples of Destruction swiftly charge across the plain, reveling in the dismay and debauchery they inflict in the name of the Prince of Pleasure. The tounges of their mounts flick out nervously as they sense the approach of their daemonic nemesis'. The Foot of Khorne charge from the horizon, blood and molten metal left in their wake as they attack the lithe riders of the Prince of Pleasure in a terrible stampede. Both rider and mount clash in a never ending dance of death.

As you look your point of view suddenly shifts, in the distance a mighty eddifice raises endlessly into the violent sky. On a balcony many Daemon Lords watch the ensuing combat, some wildy exhaulting their followers, others wisely taciturn and silent. In the shadows a shape moves, it's form seems to shift and warp as it flits around the balcony playing tricks on its daemonic cousins for its own amusement. You move up to the top of the tower, in a secluded chamber a mighty daemon lord stares endlessly into a crystal, muttering gibberish to itself. It's blind eyes seem unable to encompass it's own surroundings but as your vision begins to fade one of it's heads turns to look at you. As you see the creatures twisted visage you realise it has seen more than any other creature of it's kind, even it's patron deity knows not what sights have passed before its shattered from. It smiles at you......the veil closes your vision has ended.

Which I think suggest:
- Pink Horrors (shifting multi hewed creatures)
- Bloodcrushers (mounted Khorne)
- Seekers (mounted Slaanesh)
- The Changeling (shape moving in the shadows)
- Fateweaver (multi-headed daemon lord)
- Greater Daemon or Daemon Prince (the Daemon Lords)

Daemon Prince Adramalech over at Warseer gives us this cryptic vision of the new release:

Anyway i feel a vision coming on.....

The veil parts.....

The mysts of the warp fall open and the mortal realm catches a glimpse of the tumultuous realm of the gods. The surface of a distant planet coalesces before you. A mighty vista streches into the distance, the sky is a multi coloured smudge that churns and roars silently like an ocean in the grip of a great and terrible maelstrom. As you take in the sight before you multi hewed creatures caper across your vision cackling endlessly as they shift and change in the edies of the Emperyian. Suddenly the Diciples of Destruction swiftly charge across the plain, reveling in the dismay and debauchery they inflict in the name of the Prince of Pleasure. The tounges of their mounts flick out nervously as they sense the approach of their daemonic nemesis'. The Foot of Khorne charge from the horizon, blood and molten metal left in their wake as they attack the lithe riders of the Prince of Pleasure in a terrible stampede. Both rider and mount clash in a never ending dance of death.

As you look your point of view suddenly shifts, in the distance a mighty eddifice raises endlessly into the violent sky. On a balcony many Daemon Lords watch the ensuing combat, some wildy exhaulting their followers, others wisely taciturn and silent. In the shadows a shape moves, it's form seems to shift and warp as it flits around the balcony playing tricks on its daemonic cousins for its own amusement. You move up to the top of the tower, in a secluded chamber a mighty daemon lord stares endlessly into a crystal, muttering gibberish to itself. It's blind eyes seem unable to encompass it's own surroundings but as your vision begins to fade one of it's heads turns to look at you. As you see the creatures twisted visage you realise it has seen more than any other creature of it's kind, even it's patron deity knows not what sights have passed before its shattered from. It smiles at you......the veil closes your vision has ended.

Which probably translates to:
Horrors
Seekers
Bloodcrushers
Daemon Prince
Changeling
Fateweaver

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Kroothawk wrote:Edit: OOps! Ninja'd

Great Hive Minds think alike.

But it could possible mean 4 plastic kits, assuming they don't release new metal Bloodcrushers, and the Daemon Prince is the plastic model which has been known for a few years. Very nice.

He's a very wordy bloke that Adramalech.

Sidstyler wrote:GW thanks you for pissing off and chasing away their customers. Especially ones who spend as much as HBMC does.

Dude, GW doesn't need my help to piss off and chase away their customers - they do it quite well on their own!

Really? Plastic Blood Crushers?

Now that would be interesting...

In box of 3s !

Wow! I almost ordered 12 of the metal ones from Maelstrom today! I can definately wait till August and finish up some other stuff before then. That's great news.

Well, DPA has been accurate with previous 'visions', such as the Spearhead releases and that the Manticore would be in the epic style instead of FW style. That the Crushers would come in plastic is currently still conjecture though, but it would seem strange to release a new metal Blood Crusher when the current model is still perfectly fine.

But you know, GW is stooopid, etc, etc, yadda yadda yadda...

Edit: And I suppose the Khorne mount could also be a Chariot instead of a Juggernaut.

I think its funny how everyone immediately assums GW is going to function in the same manner it "always has" and/or this Daemon model release is a sign that current rumors about DE/GK are invalid.

GW recorded record profits last year, this year, they have closed down a good number of "unsuccessful" GW stores (I put it in quotes because it was not always a case of "active" or not...) are planning on spitting out Spearhead (aka "Buy more tanks) Warhammer fantasy 8th and having a minor price hike in some of their bigger markets. Chaos Daemons are literally a "duel army" meaning that if 8th edition rules fit their fancy, WFB players will want to buy the new and exciting models, 40K Daemons are also a semi-popular list, and with the added melee threat of Dark Eldar and the clear-cut rival of Grey Knights, Daemon players will probably also injoy a surge of new models to field against their new adversaries. I honestly would not put it past GW to start spitting out codexes in bunches of 2s as it does nothing but open up opportunities for new and existing players to continue to buy more guys.

Imagine Bobby and Billy (GWs fav customers, aka spoiled brat brothers) Bobby buys grey knights, Billy buys Daemons. All the while, Brendon (their older brother, who is a bit 'disturbed') sees these Dark Eldar sadists who appeal to his dark burning soul... suddenly three kids whose parents have disposable income now have about 500$ worth of Christmas/Birthday presents they want to get. Also, August/September is when most kids get their student loan checks... all too convienent eh?

Its quite simple really... Plastic models = Higher profits. Replacing Metals with Plastics Should be right up GWs ally. The armies that currently need updates are surpringly high in metal models... so doing duel releases like, DE/GK, Necrons/DA, Eld/SoB, Tau/BT etc... just makes sense. I also wouldnt be too surprised to see a new Apoc rendition (or even a bunch of free PDF datasheets) with new legendaries (and models to go with them) as Forge World is also trying to make a deeper hold in the average gamers life...

Remember the golden rule:

GW will do ANYTHING for money!

its funny how everyone immediately assums GW is going to function in the same manner it "always has" and/or this Daemon model release is a sign that current rumors about DE/GK are invalid.

Not completely invalid, just the part about an August 2010 release that was so prevalent for the past few weeks till the latest news email from GW dumped it in the bin.

Is it possible there could be two releases in August?
May had LotR stuff and Orc stuff which was just a wave release for the latter.

Anything's possible, but since Grey Knights is going to be a major release with both a new Codex and models, why would GW pull focus away from that by releasing it the same month as some randomly updated Daemon models? GW is careful not to compete with itself by releasing too much stuff at once. In spite of what some people think, it's pretty clear from their staggered releases that they understand that their customers only have so much money they'll spend in a single month and that if you release too much stuff at once some of it will sit on the shelf and the excitement over it will be lost.

May's Battlehosts and the two sets for Orc and Goblins are both relatively small releases both in number of items and in likely overall sales so it made sense to stagger them two weeks apart to keep cash flow going in May, but the Daemons release is probably (and hopefully) considerably larger both in number of items and in the fact that it is useful in both of their major core Warhammer game systems. I would find it suprising if GW had the Daemon release and the Grey Knights release share a release month.

All good points, well made.

I was just thinking that releasing models for two bitter enemy armies in the same month would be a good theme and we've seen lately that they really like to theme new releases as much as they can.

My daemon army in 40K will be pelased! I go away for a wekend and when i get hey it's new daemon time.

Persoanlly the only things I'd really like are plastic Seekers (only got three onld metal ones) and a plastic DP, i've got enough plague bearers and horrrors, but it the mini's are nice i'll ake them

Just miniatures, or also codex and army book?

Is it just me, or are most of the Chaos daemon models horrible. I mean, whenever I see a daemon army, I always think the models look cartoony and silly. Fiends look like something out of a he-man cartoon, Flamers and Horrors look like they're made out of pulled taffy, Plaguebearers look like silly pinhead caricatures, Screamers are just a bunch of flying Manta Rays, and we all know they have a big smile on their faces if you look at them from underneath. Even Bloodletters are cartoony with all their tongues hanging out. I've thought about trying out a Daemon army a bunch of times, but I can't get past the silly/non-evil appearance of most of the models. They need to be redone big time I think.

Just minis. Its about time too. New seekers would be awesome. Plaguebearers are great models and dont need doing. Bloodletters dont need doing. The daemonettes look awesome as they are. To be fair the two current princes look awesome but a plastic one with all options would be cool. The changeling needs a model though.

Well, not only the models need an overhaul, also the codex (40k) needs a redesign.
Daemons don't cut it in competitive environments.