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Tau and Eldar. At least fluff wise.

zagopa wrote:i hate the spandex armor wearing space ninjas of the galaxy AKA THE ELDAR

you mean the hot gun toteing space elf women.... right..... hate it when chicks wear spandex... and shoot guns

Rimmy wrote:

zagopa wrote:i hate the spandex armor wearing space ninjas of the galaxy AKA THE ELDAR

you mean the hot gun toteing space elf women.... right..... hate it when chicks wear spandex... and shoot guns

I only hate it when they shoot those guns at me.

Chaos Space marines and in a way Space marines. Its not that I hate them its just I hate how every third person plays either CSM or SM and i'm not an exception cause I play Space marines.

Commisar Wolfie wrote:

Rimmy wrote:

zagopa wrote:i hate the spandex armor wearing space ninjas of the galaxy AKA THE ELDAR

you mean the hot gun toteing space elf women.... right..... hate it when chicks wear spandex... and shoot guns

I only hate it when they shoot those guns at me.

I agree with that.

Wolfun wrote:I love Space Wolves for the same reason everyone seems to hate them. Woo!

Anyway, I don't like Eldar going along identical lines of:

SpessMehrenD3R9 wrote:Eldar. Arrogance is probably the one thing I hate more than anything else in this world, and nothing (except maybe certain Chaos Marines) embodies it more than them. Add that to the fact that they STILL think they know best after creating a Chaos God and the Eye of Terror, and you've got a race that just plain grates on me.

I don't see why everyone is annoyed at Eldar arrogance. Fluff wise, I understand you can hate it, but from Eldar players? I for one have always made sure to not boast about a victory or seem arrogant about it. All the Eldar players I know do the same as far as I know.

I don't see why everyone hates the Space Wolves- Well, I do, but they're obviously not the SW players. Personally, I like the 1d4chan fluff for them and Angry Marines- THat's the funny fluff, and the stuffI go by. Even if it's fan made, it's not Matt Ward.


Blood Angels Team up wiht Necrons to pimp slap Tyranids? WTF! NO! NO! NO! STFU MATT! THEY DONT GO ALONG HAPPILLY EVER AFTER EITHER!

Lynata wrote:Space Wolves. Whilst the general concept (a viking Chapter!) is rather cool, they just overdone it with all those special snowflake exceptions:
- they gak on the Codex Astartes and generally behave like a gang of bikers (in short, there's no narrative balance to their superhuman traits)
- rampant mutation, no backlash
- killing off loyal Imperials left and right, no backlash
- The Fang apparently being harder to take than the Imperial Palace on Terra, even when seriously undermanned
- SW can take on the entire Segmentum Pacificus Navy, despite all sources saying SM fleets aren't supposed to be able to challenge the Navy even in a one-on-one
- ... but I guess that's because they have a fleet of Battle Barges

... and the list goes on. Also, their names seem to get worse as every edition adds a further layer of "wolf" or "wolfson" to something.

Sad. At the core, the idea is very cool. But the execution and overhype ruined it. My suspension of disbelief has limits.

My feelings exactly. Plus, the fact that the rules don't align with the fluff... in the background, they're a martial chapter, bold combatants itching for the chance to get into hand to hand. On the tabletop, they're a mech. infantry force, supported by an abundance of missile launchers and psykers, and rarely if ever charge headlong into combat.

Oh, there's backlash, they're just tough enough to shake it off.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Oh, there's backlash, they're just tough enough to shake it off.

That's sort the issue. They're so mary sue that they can't possibly ever seem to be beaten/make real mistakes/cross the line/etc. They're little snowflakes that are of course the exception to everything and can do no wrong, or if something does backlash at them, they're always able to "shake it off" without any real issue. And for an army of angry berzerker space vikings, well...that just doesn't jive.

Somehow the Fang outmatches all sorts of other fortresses supposedly built and defended by much more capable siege troops, (and apparently now...only "idiots" call it "The Fang" according to Prospero Burns), notwithstanding the question of why an army of space vikings has such a fortress instead of something that better matches the archetype (temporary raid bases, etc). Then of course they dislike psykers but have some of the most capable psykers in the fluff and probably the best in the game. They're Space Marines...but better, fightier, more savage, but no less capable in ranged warfare. For Space Vikings, much of their fluff goes on about their extensive intelligence activites...but how on earth is an army of super soldier space vikings able to keep up such an extensive intelligence network? It's not exactly like they can spy well at 8ft tall and it's not like Fenris breeds spies well. For a chapter with limited fleet assets they somehow are more than a match for the far larger Imperial Navy with ship far better suited for ship to ship warfare, etc ad nauseum.

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

No mistakes? Miss that whole thousand sons thing?

I just like the viking theme. The werewolf is OK. But, since I use mine as ANGRY MARINES, well...

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:No mistakes? Miss that whole thousand sons thing?

which particular aspect?

I just like the viking theme. The werewolf is OK. But, since I use mine as ANGRY MARINES, well...

The problem is, they don't even really act all that much like vikings if you're familiar at all with them, they just take a handful of Norse words and slap it on and call it Viking.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:

Blood Angels Team up wiht Necrons to pimp slap Tyranids? WTF! NO! NO! NO! STFU MATT! THEY DONT GO ALONG HAPPILLY EVER AFTER EITHER!

You can't blame the Angels for this blame Mat Ward. Story made me when I read it. By my book never happened

BA I hate them so much. Oh we are space marines with feel no pain and all fast vehicles plus we take land raiders as dedicated transports. Hate them so much.

It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

asimo77 wrote:

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

At least with grey knights they have an excuse to be superior to other SM's, rather than "we're nonconformist" like SW's.

Vaktathi wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

At least with grey knights they have an excuse to be superior to other SM's, rather than "we're nonconformist" like SW's.

Oh my god. I just realized something. Space Wolves are hipsters.

"We don't use pyskers, but rather priests who summon the innate power of Fenris. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Yeah, we don't use the Codex Astartes. We even have a 13th Company. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Our geneseed gives us extralong K-9 teeth and more body hair and turns some of us into Wolfren. You probably haven't heard of them."

snake wrote:It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

The game wouldn't be very fair if a basic warfare tenet such as "Overwhelming numerical superiority" was not taken into account.

Also not sure why you have such a problem with reality.



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Grey Templar wrote:I hate Tau ... The Tau were also unheard of in the fluff before release. they were invented by GW to capitalize on the Anime craze and the opening of the first GW in Japan.

1. To be fair, GW invents everything regarding Warhammer

2. I hate to be the one to bring this up, but GW is a business. They make decisions which are good for their business. To do otherwise would be profoundly illogical. You seem to be taking offense to something that international businesses do ALL the time. For example (if I may borrow your phrasing)

"I hate Toyota Tacomas ... The Tacoma was unheard of in the old business plan before release. They were invented by Toyota to capitalize on the truck craze and the opening of the first Toyota dealerships in America."

See how that makes good business sense?

LoneLictor wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

At least with grey knights they have an excuse to be superior to other SM's, rather than "we're nonconformist" like SW's.

Oh my god. I just realized something. Space Wolves are hipsters.

"We don't use pyskers, but rather priests who summon the innate power of Fenris. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Yeah, we don't use the Codex Astartes. We even have a 13th Company. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Our geneseed gives us extralong K-9 teeth and more body hair and turns some of us into Wolfren. You probably haven't heard of them."

Hahahaha I lol'd IRL. So true, it nails down the SW's so well.

LoneLictor wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

At least with grey knights they have an excuse to be superior to other SM's, rather than "we're nonconformist" like SW's.

Oh my god. I just realized something. Space Wolves are hipsters.

"We don't use pyskers, but rather priests who summon the innate power of Fenris. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Yeah, we don't use the Codex Astartes. We even have a 13th Company. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Our geneseed gives us extralong K-9 teeth and more body hair and turns some of us into Wolfren. You probably haven't heard of them."

+1. Well written.

I think I was blaming Matt Ward.... Read that BA part again.

SW made the mistake of being told by Horus to Kill the 1Ksons, not bring them back like the emprah says. So... sounds a little viking ish. SO do their massive parties, their Homeworld and its natives, and their superstition. But yeah, the names are taken- just like all the other chapters! I mean, Look at them! Every chapter has some sort of a theme, however well pronounced it might be!

Also, I like the Wolves, but again, not so hot on the current fluff. Some is OK, others- eeeehhhh. The codex was kinda lame; I blame the writers for all the wolf stuff- Just a little excessive. But the BA do the same, with Blood.

LoneLictor wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

They do everything better than everyone else and never **** up. Of course they come out looking silly after that.

I feel like all SM are like this to an extent. SW just more so and then there's the Grey Knights you take this up to 11.

At least with grey knights they have an excuse to be superior to other SM's, rather than "we're nonconformist" like SW's.

Oh my god. I just realized something. Space Wolves are hipsters.

"We don't use pyskers, but rather priests who summon the innate power of Fenris. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Yeah, we don't use the Codex Astartes. We even have a 13th Company. You probably haven't heard of it."

"Our geneseed gives us extralong K-9 teeth and more body hair and turns some of us into Wolfren. You probably haven't heard of them."

Ok, I laughed at that last one too.

Orks basically ruin the game for me. In games where Orks are involved, there are no interesting tactical choices being made on either side of the table. It becomes, "Will I roll well enough to kill enough Kanz / Wagons , etc, and will my opponent fail enough KFF saves, that he doesn't get across the table with enough left to do anything".

All of the units are completely idiotproof. Worry about cover? Pfft, KFF. Worry about casualties? Boyz are fearless until they take 20 casualties (30 strong). Playing the army consists of moving units 6" across the board, then running them, while maintaining maximum squad coherency and praying that you withstand enemy shooting for 2-3 turns. The most interesting tactical nuances to fighting Orks are going for side armor shots on Battle Wagons, and feeding them speed bumps. BORING.

Space Wolves. Just can't stand them. Hate their fluff and hate their characters and the way they play on the table as well.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Orks basically ruin the game for me. In games where Orks are involved, there are no interesting tactical choices being made on either side of the table. It becomes, "Will I roll well enough to kill enough Kanz / Wagons , etc, and will my opponent fail enough KFF saves, that he doesn't get across the table with enough left to do anything".

All of the units are completely idiotproof. Worry about cover? Pfft, KFF. Worry about casualties? Boyz are fearless until they take 20 casualties (30 strong). Playing the army consists of moving units 6" across the board, then running them, while maintaining maximum squad coherency and praying that you withstand enemy shooting for 2-3 turns. The most interesting tactical nuances to fighting Orks are going for side armor shots on Battle Wagons, and feeding them speed bumps. BORING.

There's a few of things that really, *really* hurt Orks. No-Retreat, AV14, massed AV, and any of the new multiudes of things that can snipe individual models. I've seen full Ork mobz destroyed entirely in a single round of combat due to No-Retreat, especially in multiple combat. Orks have really no way of dealing with AV14 at anything but assault range, and massed AV11/12 very easily overwhelms their AT capabilities. Stuff like JotWW can pick out and destroy the one model in any Ork unit that gives them their real punch.

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

snake wrote:It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

The game wouldn't be very fair if a basic warfare tenet such as "Overwhelming numerical superiority" was not taken into account.

Also not sure why you have such a problem with reality.

I am well aware of this basic tenet of warfare and its significance, which I why I indicated that I dislike its reality.

I dislike this reality because I don't like seeing hard, well trained warriors brought down by fodder whose individual skills do not compare to said warriors and who consequently prevail only on the basis of their numbers. It irks my sense of honor.

snake wrote:

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

snake wrote:It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

The game wouldn't be very fair if a basic warfare tenet such as "Overwhelming numerical superiority" was not taken into account.

Also not sure why you have such a problem with reality.

I am well aware of this basic tenet of warfare and its significance, which I why I indicated that I dislike its reality.

I dislike this reality because I don't like seeing hard, well trained warriors brought down by fodder whose individual skills do not compare to said warriors and who consequently prevail only on the basis of their numbers. It irks my sense of honor.

but the reality is this is a table top game, if you followed the fluff to the letter in the games balance would not be there or a space marine for example woudl cost 800 points

as far as real world... it jsut is what it is, I cna be the bes ttrained in fighting hand to hand, small arms and longrange weapons of all kinds, but contrary to action movies if i gt charged by 20 people in close range... guess who's getting beaten not the twenty

*edit* I'm bad at typing >_<

G00fySmiley wrote:

snake wrote:

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

snake wrote:It's not just one army, but anything with hordes. I despise the reality that masses of weaklings can bring down elite soldiers both on the table and in reality.

The game wouldn't be very fair if a basic warfare tenet such as "Overwhelming numerical superiority" was not taken into account.

Also not sure why you have such a problem with reality.

I am well aware of this basic tenet of warfare and its significance, which I why I indicated that I dislike its reality.

I dislike this reality because I don't like seeing hard, well trained warriors brought down by fodder whose individual skills do not compare to said warriors and who consequently prevail only on the basis of their numbers. It irks my sense of honor.

but the reality is this is a table top game, if you followed the fluff to the letter in the games balance would not be there or a space marine for example woudl cost 800 points

as far as real world... it jsut is what it is, I cna be the bes ttrained in fighting hand to hand, small arms and longrange weapons of all kinds, but contrary to action movies if i gt charged by 20 people in close range... guess who's getting beaten not the one guy

"guess who's getting beaten not the one guy"

I am not sure but I think you mean that the one guy is getting beaten.

Moreover, I am well aware of all of these things. I understand that they can't and won't ever change. I still do not like it.