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Talonair wrote:
My biggest peeve is people who don't tell you what units are equipped with when the unit does not comply with WYSIWYG. One example I can think of is drop-podding Sternguards close to a Riptide, and the guy proceeds to then tell me that it has the Interceptor upgrade. Stuff like that really annoys me

My second biggest one, as someone who enjoys playing with the Heresy rules, is people saying 'I refuse to play against you because forge world is OP. Now excuse me whilst I take out my five Wave Serpents and Seerstar...'

To be fair, there isn't any official bit for the interceptor upgrade. Some units would be quite tiresome to be 100% WYSIWYG such as Space Wolf Grey Hunters (all the weapons... ugh).

It's safe to assume that a riptide has Early Warning Override. One should ask, or when in doubt, know that it's a 5pt upgrade. It will probably ALWAYS be taken.

Also, not playing Heresy units in 40k is legit. There's a difference between FW units and Heresy units. The latter are not made for 40k; they are not stamped "40k approved."

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
People who don't like terrain. I make terrain, and it's pretty good other than my complete lack of painting skill, but nobody seems to like to use very much terrain.

Terrain is awesome.
I like your terrain. I've never seen it, but I'm sure that I like it.

Terrain is what makes the game unique, the fact you make your own is just cool. (give us a picture, my painting skills aren't the best either)

What really bugs me is people who won't play with anything thats not an official model, even when its converted to have the right weapons and wargear. My current club is really easy going (one guy makes a point of coming over and seeing what I've got thats new) and as long as its clear whats what they're fine with it. At the old club however I remember getting flack for wanting to use some converted Storm Troopers. All GW bits with codex approved loadouts but because they didn't come the right package they weren't allowed.

 TheKbob wrote:

Talonair wrote:
My biggest peeve is people who don't tell you what units are equipped with when the unit does not comply with WYSIWYG. One example I can think of is drop-podding Sternguards close to a Riptide, and the guy proceeds to then tell me that it has the Interceptor upgrade. Stuff like that really annoys me

My second biggest one, as someone who enjoys playing with the Heresy rules, is people saying 'I refuse to play against you because forge world is OP. Now excuse me whilst I take out my five Wave Serpents and Seerstar...'

To be fair, there isn't any official bit for the interceptor upgrade. Some units would be quite tiresome to be 100% WYSIWYG such as Space Wolf Grey Hunters (all the weapons... ugh).

It's safe to assume that a riptide has Early Warning Override. One should ask, or when in doubt, know that it's a 5pt upgrade. It will probably ALWAYS be taken.

Also, not playing Heresy units in 40k is legit. There's a difference between FW units and Heresy units. The latter are not made for 40k; they are not stamped "40k approved."

Yes, there isn't an official bit. But, the rulebook states that units must be WYSIWYG. I agree, it is impractical to enforce that, but simply informing your opponent of options that you have taken that are not displayed on the model, or are perhaps more subtle to display (i.e., how am I supposed to tell the difference between a power sword and a master crafted one?) at the start of the game should be done

This was very soon after the new Tau codex was released, and I hadn't had a chance to look at it thoroughly, so I wasn't even aware of it's existance

Had his reason for it been 'It's not designed for normal 40k', then I wouldn't have a problem. His argument was that it was overpowered and hence wouldn't play it, when all he fields are cheese lists

The biggest issue I have (that hasn't been mentioned) is people giving me unsolicited painting "tips", usually from people who are terrible painters to begin with.

It's similar to table-hoverers, I suppose. Don't give advice that isn't asked for unless you know the involved parties very well.

For instance, I'm not the best painter, but I'm fiercely proud of my models and I don't field anything that's not fully painted/WYSIWYG. Having someone repeatedly tell me how to "improve" my army, typically using buzzwords like "wash"/"drybrush" when they don't even know what they mean, really gets on my nerves. My painting is good enough for me, thank you very much.

Oh, and there's one guy who spray painted all his Finecast models sprue-grey so they match the rest of his half-assembled, bare plastic army. That's pretty great.

 Poehammer wrote:
Oh, and there's one guy who spray painted all his Finecast models sprue-grey so they match the rest of his half-assembled, bare plastic army. That's pretty great.

That's like being heavilly dedicated to being lazy. If he just based his models with that color he could wash them in Nuln Oil and at least claim they were painted.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Poehammer wrote:
Oh, and there's one guy who spray painted all his Finecast models sprue-grey so they match the rest of his half-assembled, bare plastic army. That's pretty great.

That's like being heavilly dedicated to being lazy. If he just based his models with that color he could wash them in Nuln Oil and at least claim they were painted.

Even worse, he plays Ravenwing. He could prime them black and be halfway done. But nope.

 Poehammer wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Poehammer wrote:
Oh, and there's one guy who spray painted all his Finecast models sprue-grey so they match the rest of his half-assembled, bare plastic army. That's pretty great.

That's like being heavilly dedicated to being lazy. If he just based his models with that color he could wash them in Nuln Oil and at least claim they were painted.

Even worse, he plays Ravenwing. He could prime them black and be halfway done. But nope.

Half nothing, that's like 3/4 done, especially if you don't have the feathers on the bikes!

That guy is like the figgin' Messiah of laziness!

There are birds that have black feathers.

Makumba wrote:
There are birds that have black feathers.

True, but Ravenwing traditionally has those in white.


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Someone should really tell the Ravenwing that black birds with white wings are traditionally "Magpies" though.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Makumba wrote:
There are birds that have black feathers.

True, but Ravenwing traditionally has those in white.


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Someone should really tell the Ravenwing that black birds with white wings are traditionally "Magpies" though.

Maybe in the 41st Millennium no one knows what ravens actually look like so they just picked whatever color was cool?

All he would really have to do is prime black, paint in the eyes and drybrush some boltgun metal. TT quality paintjob right there.

I think the most popular "peeve" here has probably been:

"People giving unsolicited advice/input during my games"

But my issue is that when I overhear someone playing a game, and they quote a rule wrongly, a rule that doesn't exist, or are unaware of a FAQ, I'm inclined to chip in and let them know, as well as their opponent (because more often than not the rule being misused is to the controlling player's favor) of how the rule actually works.

Trying to play someone else's game for them is one thing, but as someone with a solid grasp of the rules, I try to impart that knowledge on players at my store so that they can avoid rules issues in later games.

No sense in letting ignorance stand if you can help out

-Capt

When someone gets angry at me for playing the game.

I have literally lost track of the number of times someone has gotten upset at me for wiping a unit in one turn, or softening up a unit with shooting before I assault it.
I play a Dark Eldar Assault army and a Stealth Suit heavy Tau army, I feel like if I want to play aggressively so I don't lose horribly then that should be okay.

I spent a long time losing horribly to get good with the units I like. It isn't my fault your Terminators failed their saves, you weren't paying attention to that one unit on your flank, you
forgot that this unit had a special rule despite me telling you 5 or 6 times since we started playing and it CERTAINLY isn't my fault that you neglected to bring anything capable of hurting
a T7 monstrous creature even after I showed you my list before you wrote yours.

Okay, it's not a peeve so much as repressed rage.
Rant over.
Although I could go on.

-Hxwlf

I am one of those guys that tends to chip in when I see a rule played incorrectly. My group knows me pretty well so it's usually ok, but I wouldn't try it in a new store or with gamers I wasn't familiar with.

My peeve? When my opponent decides to have a conversation with someone else, or just wanders off halfway through the game. I shouldn't have to call someone else over to make sure I'm not cheating the rolls for you.
The worst was when the above happened, as I was assaulting with a Shas'O. No, really. Turns out Fusion Blades will mess up MEQS

After reading this and thinking *hmm, yes, I rather dislike that too*, I've still come to the same conclusion that my real, single pet peeve... as in the one designed to get my blood boiling, can be summed up in one word.


Tau.


There are many reasons for it, and yes it is a force loved by many - I just can't stand them (that said, I *LOVE* to play them because the pretend notion of killing the little blue fish people excites me so much)


In general gaming terms though, it would have to be the following:
a) When people proxy, but without any effort. Lego? On the table? Please... I love conversions and enjoy seeing models from other companies put to good use - but if no effort has been made it just seems... insulting?
b) People lying about the rules and coming up with colourful interpretations that benefit them just so they can win.
c) The passive/aggressive nature of many players who are there to win first, and get to know the players second. Personally 40K is a social event for me rather than a purely gaming thing - I like to talk to my opponents and get to know them, not sit in silence opposite them while they leaf through their rule books and get twitchy each time you do something. If I want that kind of interaction, I'll go visit my stepmother.

My biggest peeve right now is my FLGS asking me EVERY SINGLE TIME I go in whether I will be coming to their gaming night that week.

They know me well enough in there and despite the fact they offer no real discount on GW product (10% off the top if you spend over a certain amount but nowhere near as low as what I could pay from Giftsforgeeks et al) I like the store, like the staff and frankly enjoy putting my hard earned into the till of a business that is in it for the love of minis and gaming.

I have told them countless times I will get involved once I get fully happy with my level of 6th ed knowledge, and get my force working at their point requirement.

Petty I know really but it does get my back up as it feels a bit much to keep asking.


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 TheKbob wrote:


To be fair, there isn't any official bit for the interceptor upgrade. Some units would be quite tiresome to be 100% WYSIWYG such as Space Wolf Grey Hunters (all the weapons... ugh).

It's safe to assume that a riptide has Early Warning Override. One should ask, or when in doubt, know that it's a 5pt upgrade. It will probably ALWAYS be taken.

Also, not playing Heresy units in 40k is legit. There's a difference between FW units and Heresy units. The latter are not made for 40k; they are not stamped "40k approved."

I agree with this also, I give a bit of leeway on WYSIWIG, especially with Tau, there are so many upgrades that it is damn near impossible to magnetise the models to swap them out, poor form not telling you till you do something that the upgrade effects though, should all be on the army list before a dice is rolled if you ask me.

I'm probably going to get a bit of hate for this and be called TFG, but my personal pet peeve is when people try to turn a game of Warhammer into a socializing event. Now I'm not talking about the niceties, like "how are you" or "nice weather", but when people try to get to know me and act like I'm their friend. And honestly even that wouldn't be to bad if I was a part of a club or group, but I'm not I only occasionally play a pick up game. And honestly if I wanted to socialize I would not go to a small, hot, cramped store that reeks of sweat that is filled with older guys.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Makumba wrote:
There are birds that have black feathers.

True, but Ravenwing traditionally has those in white.
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Someone should really tell the Ravenwing that black birds with white wings are traditionally "Magpies" though.

Maybe in the 41st Millennium no one knows what ravens actually look like so they just picked whatever color was cool?
All he would really have to do is prime black, paint in the eyes and drybrush some boltgun metal. TT quality paintjob right there.

Coming from a Black Templar player (no, it is not an "easy" paint scheme, look at my pics), priming black is WORSE than leaving the model bare plastic.
You at least have a hope of seeing what the weapon they are carrying is.
Matt black is a blob where only spot lighting can make it clear what they have.
Worse, I used to play Black Legion with lots of conversions people were scratching their heads and I vowed I would not play them again until at least the weapons were painted.

When people pick up the hits instead of the misses. Especially if the dice have some sort of marble effect or something that makes it hard to tell what the result is.

Pick up the misses so we can get a good look and make sure the hits ARE hits. This game is not a trust exercise, and often you play people you don't know.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dr. What wrote:
There is no Legio Mathematica!

There totally should be. It'd be a bunch of really old men who weaponize math on the battle field to kill things.

Army wide rules: The Legio Mathematica always obeys probability. Instead of bringing dice to the game, simply bring a stack of 6 cards, numbered 1-6, and shuffle them. Whenever you would roll a die, instead draw a card, and treat the number on the card as the roll's result, then remove that card from the stack. Whenever the stack of cards is empty, grab the used ones, reshuffle, and repeat.

Warlord traits:
1: "Prime directive" You gain a bonus victory point if, at the end of the game, your victory point total is a prime number.

2: "Nice roll, there" Whenever an enemy unit attacks your warlord's unit with a shooting attack, calculate the hypothetical result of exact probability occurring, rounding to the nearest whole number. If the opponent's dice rolls to hit are outside of a 10% variance, all shots miss instead.

3: "Isosceles formation" Whenever your warlord's unit and another friendly unit from codex: Legio Mathematica can form a perfect isosceles triangle with an enemy unit, all shooting attacks from the two units that you control gain twin-linked and ignore cover, as long as they are firing at the enemy unit that they are forming a triangle with.

4: "Hidden calculations" At the beginning of the game, you may deploy and/or reserve any amount of units, following normal deployment rules, but you may include models not on your army list. You must then ask your opponent, if he, without looking at any list or other resource, believes that you have the correct point total or below on the field. If he says you do, you may continue the game with whatever models you managed to deploy. If he says you don't, and you actually do, and your forces match those on your legal army list, you immediately gain a victory point, and may seize the initiative without rolling. If he says you don't, and is correct, you lose any forces that are not on your legal army list, and the opponent may then choose 3 units of yours and roll a d3 to randomly determine one of them. That unit is considered destroyed, and also awards the opponent first blood.

5: "You forgot to carry the one" At the beginning of each of your turns in which your warlord is alive and on the table, you may choose a numbered marker placed somewhere on the table or on a model. This may be a marker denoting a vehicle damage result, a mysterious terrain result, a wound counter, hull point counter, or any other number that may be represented by a die sitting on the table. You may increase or decrease that die by up to two. This new effect becomes permanent as if the old result was never there. You may not reduce a counter to below "1."

6: "Pop quiz." Once per game, at the start of your shooting phase, you may pick a number from 3-10. All units on the table that have a number of models equal to the number that you chose, or a multiple of the number you chose, immediately suffer a wound with no armor or cover saves allowed. Your warlord must be alive to use this ability.




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Oh, and as for the topic:

We have one guy who will throw in the towel unbelievably early. Like, so early that if he weren't packing up his army, I could probably steer it to victory still.

I've seen him give up in turn 2 after losing about 400 points of army out of 2k, and recently a turn 3 where an archon warlord failed a shadow field save about 5 saves in and died to s6 insta death. Armies were still fairly even in that one.

I mean, the game takes a good bit of time to schedule and set up. Someone else could've been playing rather than him taking up a time slot just to pull his army out and put it back up.

Someone really should've told him that dark eldar was not the race to play if he was gonna be upset at taking losses.

 Talizvar wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Makumba wrote:
There are birds that have black feathers.

True, but Ravenwing traditionally has those in white.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Someone should really tell the Ravenwing that black birds with white wings are traditionally "Magpies" though.

Maybe in the 41st Millennium no one knows what ravens actually look like so they just picked whatever color was cool?
All he would really have to do is prime black, paint in the eyes and drybrush some boltgun metal. TT quality paintjob right there.

Coming from a Black Templar player (no, it is not an "easy" paint scheme, look at my pics), priming black is WORSE than leaving the model bare plastic.
You at least have a hope of seeing what the weapon they are carrying is.
Matt black is a blob where only spot lighting can make it clear what they have.
Worse, I used to play Black Legion with lots of conversions people were scratching their heads and I vowed I would not play them again until at least the weapons were painted.

In the case of Ravenwing, they're all on bikes so it gets easier to see who has the extra wargear and what it is.