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So, when are those fine Junker robots going up on the store?

I really love them!

I don't think Technoscream has sent the robots for casting yet. Which reminds me, I haven't heard from him in quite a while...

By the way...two master casts by Ed. These are done in resin, but will enable Ed to reproduce the models in metal:

Why is this 42 pages long....

Jaon wrote:Why is this 42 pages long....

Is that a serious question? They post their updates in this thread.

Two models that have been released previously have been re-released in metal. Now you can pick if you want the models in resin or metal!

Dwarf Spearman


Halfling

Bad news guys. The Graven robots that Technoscream made for Troll Forged Miniatures will probably not see the light of day as a release, at least not for now. The original model was made with a 3d printer and then cast. However, due to the material in which it has been printed and something with the casting process, TFM is currently unable to produce the models smoothly. Technoscream received some casts of the models and put them together, as you can see the surface of the models are rather gritty. :(















Hopefully this can be resolved in the future, meaning that these deadly machines will see the light of day some time in the future. However, Technoscreams Junk Bots won't suffer from this problem, so they will be coming out soon. Sadly enough I can't give an ETA yet. :(

Icesword is currently working on some more 28mm heroic scaled infantry:

Man, that's a shame.

If you ever do get the kinks worked out, I'd be extremely interested in just a weapons pack without the robots. Those are my favorite part of that sculpt.

The striations on those 3D printed models come from the printing resolution used by the printer. These actually aren't that bad, its just the downside of the method. You should be able to remove them just by gently smooting them down with fine sand paper, an exacto, and a file. It can be tedious, but it will spare the need to start over.

If it didn't clash with the particular aesthetic of these models... well it would be interesting to see someone design something that just takes the striations into consideration to give a model "texture."

I want to make a Scud: The Disposable Assassin army now, I hope you can work out the kinks! I can see them with bunny ears so I can make Oswald...

So when are we going to see those redemption sector minis finally released? IceSword keeps showing us all these great looking minis that I would love to buy, but rather than being released... he starts yet another range of minis that I would love to buy... not a very good way to get my money, IMO.

Also, the Graven robots look to me like they weren't properly post-processed by you. When working with 3d prints, you have to sand/polish the prints, as the printing process results in 'stairstepping' which appears as the texture shown here. The alternative is to use a better printer/material, it costs more but the output is much better and requires considerably less post-processing.

aka_mythos wrote:
If it didn't clash with the particular aesthetic of these models... well it would be interesting to see someone design something that just takes the striations into consideration to give a model "texture."

I've seen the texturing used on 'wood' surfaces before to good effect.

chaos0xomega wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:
If it didn't clash with the particular aesthetic of these models... well it would be interesting to see someone design something that just takes the striations into consideration to give a model "texture."

I've seen the texturing used on 'wood' surfaces before to good effect.

I know this is a bit off topic but texturing specific surfaces is probably one of those things GW could really do with some of there plastic kits but don't. Things like chaos vehicles would really get alot out of a texture on there armor... the FW nurgle stuff is the closest, but there are other texture applications as well.

Casting has been an issue with regards to scheduling. Not ideal but I'm working on it to ensure as soon as I pull the trigger and open the webstore I have a sufficiently solid infrastructure behind me.

On the plus side whilst the initial live date has been delayed this puts me ahead of my sculpting schedule which in turn creates a healthy release schedule.

Miniatures of the North is a separate entity from Troll Forged.

Damnit!

Looking forward to all the robots!

I'm sure /someone/ *cough* would take the bad models off your hands at a discount ;D

IceSword wrote:Casting has been an issue with regards to scheduling. Not ideal but I'm working on it to ensure as soon as I pull the trigger and open the webstore I have a sufficiently solid infrastructure behind me.

On the plus side whilst the initial live date has been delayed this puts me ahead of my sculpting schedule which in turn creates a healthy release schedule.

Miniatures of the North is a separate entity from Troll Forged.

So am I to understand that Troll Forged is the manufacturer of your range of minis?

I'm looking at a few different manufacturers, Troll Forged have a big workload and supply other small companies behind the scenes.

Hopefully you can get those robots fixed.

Shame about the robots. I hope they get fixed because they look great.

No fixing them, not with that particular 3d printing technology anyways... It's additive, it works by applying layer upon layer of quick-setting powders like perfectly cut sheets of paper one on top of the other. Unfortunately, the powdery nature of the construction is really apparant when it sets, as it has a texture somewhat like a whetstone or a sanding block. No good for mini'ing. Believe me, I've thought about it, one of my client's has a machine like that!

The best way to get minis out of 3d printers is the subtractive process, start with a block of wax, let a computer controlled laser cut it away, then use the wax to make a mold. This method is commonly used by jewelery makers.

MajorTom11 wrote:No fixing them, not with that particular 3d printing technology anyways... It's additive, it works by applying layer upon layer of quick-setting powders like perfectly cut sheets of paper one on top of the other. Unfortunately, the powdery nature of the construction is really apparant when it sets, as it has a texture somewhat like a whetstone or a sanding block. No good for mini'ing. Believe me, I've thought about it, one of my client's has a machine like that!

The best way to get minis out of 3d printers is the subtractive process, start with a block of wax, let a computer controlled laser cut it away, then use the wax to make a mold. This method is commonly used by jewelery makers.

I'm sorry but this is entirely wrong. While the subtractive method gives you a finer finish off the bat, you can use the additive process to good effect with some gentle sanding w/ a ultrafine grit paper or steel wool.

Ya, but that kinda precludes the point of 3d printing a bit no?

A: You make a pretty unlikely assumption that you would be able to sand all the nooks and cranies of a miniature, which is pretty darn tough at the best of times.

B: That 3D printed items this thin and small are brittle as heck

Like I said, I have actual real experience with these and discussions with professional users of the technology. There is a reason you don't see mini companies going this route.

However, as you point out, there are ways to salvage them (however prohibitively time-consuming) and I can see where my previous post could have sounded as if I was talking in absolutes. I have experience but I wouldn't bet my life on my expertise let's put it that way lol!

If I am wrong about it or my info is outdated, I would actually be pretty happy about it as it would be a great tool for everyone to have at their disposal, both big and small companies and individuals alike!

MajorTom11 wrote:Ya, but that kinda precludes the point of 3d printing a bit no?

A: You make a pretty unlikely assumption that you would be able to sand all the nooks and cranies of a miniature, which is pretty darn tough at the best of times.

B: That 3D printed items this thin and small are brittle as heck

Like I said, I have actual real experience with these and discussions with professional users of the technology. There is a reason you don't see mini companies going this route.

However, as you point out, there are ways to salvage them (however prohibitively time-consuming) and I can see where my previous post could have sounded as if I was talking in absolutes. I have experience but I wouldn't bet my life on my expertise let's put it that way lol!

If I am wrong about it or my info is outdated, I would actually be pretty happy about it as it would be a great tool for everyone to have at their disposal, both big and small companies and individuals alike!

I'm pretty sure that spartan games uses the additive process, as does dreamforge games for their leviathan kits...

MajorTom11, I think you need to research 3d printing a bit more. 3d printing materials are available in any combination of detailed, strong, flexible, metal, etc. The more detailed and strong, generally the more expensive the material.

There is a black, white, and clear detailed material available from Shapeways, a 3d printing service. It is very high quality.

Shapeways? High quality? Hardly. Shapeways is passable, average at best, there are other companies out there capable of doing far more detail.

http://moddler.com/

Id definitely be willing to buy those Robots still Seriously.

I know there is more than one, I am just speaking specifically on the powder printers, which are the only ones I have direct experience with. Who knows, maybe their printer is just balls and there are better even in powders! (although they insist it is one of the higher quality ones... they make prototypes for industrial machining on it)

Didn't mean to start a black and white argument boys, just wanted to mention my opinion that the work involved in saving those particular gritty prints, and the chance sanding alone would be sufficient was pretty low, just IMO.

BTW cyclonus' Alien transport bug now celebrates its first anniversary on Ed's shelf to be moulded

Damn shame about those robots, glad to hear the junkbots won't be affected though.

Actually, you know, even as rough as they are, that would be a great power armor armature for those of us who like to greenstuff our own...

A little message from Philip!

Store Updates;

Ian Mountain’s Pirate Merc 2 - release

Mati’s Space Pirate Dwarf - release

Rikard's Cyberpunk Ganger – update

Mati’s Pirate Mutant Pig – update

Ian Mountain’s Pirate Captain – update

Hive Trygon’s Pirate Merc – update

Philip

Ian Mountain's Pirate Merc 2:


Mati's Space Pirate Dwarf:


Rikard's Ganger Girl (now in metal)


Mati's Pigman Mercenary: (now in metal)


Ian Mountain's Pirate Captain (now in metal)


Ed's Pirate Mercenary: