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No dante is still there, albiet with the old sculpt.

Sidstyler wrote:God damn. I was expecting much worse when I heard there was going to be a unit in the codex that literally had wings, but those look very, very nice.

It's satisfying to know they steered away from making them more "vampirey" and focused more on the whole angel thing. It makes for some much better-looking models. Lemartes is also worlds above his previous incarnation.

Who is Sanguinor, though? He looks kinda like Dante to me, with the death mask and all, but with wings. He isn't replacing him is he?

No, he isn't replacing Dante!

He is a 'mysterious' 'Angel' figure... Not sure what that means exactly, but I'm sure the new fluff will tell us at least a little something...

Maybe he's a 'psychic manifestation' of the 'positive' side of the BA's?

Or maybe he's the Blood Angels version of an Emperor's Champion--but with the visions of Sanguinius running through him?

I agree, the angelic motif is a lot more desirable than a bunch of glittery edwards running around romancing the female guardsmen. We already have the werewolves though, so it can only be a matter of time.

Omg this stuff is rigged!

I saw this stuff and Land Raiders can DEEPSTRIKE WHAT?

Not only that but this........

There are no more draw backs with the Blood Angels now.

DONE SAID!

All the advantages with the blood angels are out weighing the problems they were suppose to have. Each Space Marine chapter codex is suppose to have disadvanatages, in this there are none. Like with Spacewolves.

Other than that the Sprues are awesome : D.

Asherian Command wrote:Each Space Marine chapter codex is suppose to have disadvanatages,

The current generation of SM Codices are each well-focused. Each SM Codex has advantages, and the disadvantage is that trying to ape another Codex's advantages simply doesn't work very well, if it's even remotely possible.

It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

I dont recall Death Companies Initiative, but their WS is a 5, and they stilll have Furious charge.
They are also a 0-1 Troop choice with unit size of 3-30, and Lemartes is an upgrade.

Baal Predator also has Scout special rule.

Wont get a codex glance again for a while, am away playing soldier.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I heard that dreadnott harpoon is a lie. And no S10 psychic power either. Lemartes does get a new model though.

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Found these Pics on BoLs. Can't actualy vouch for them 'cos I haven't seen the codex myself, but it looks pretty real and the magna grapple/harpoon is there.

You can talk Edward and the werewolf all you want, but all I can think of is Batman and Robin. Rubber nipple fail.

Dread Harpoon is Magna-Grapple. Listed in the pics above. Has this 'Grapple' special rule.

As someone mentioned earlier, it will drag targeted vehicle random distance toward dread, stops an inch from terrain, with no change in facing.
But it DOES cause tank shock against infantry models.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

Good analogy. And if you try to build an CC-centric army out of the Ultras, it's like trying to drag a sedan. I imagine (though folks will try to do it) that if you try to build a shooty army out of the BA, it'll be like trying to use your 2-seat sports car to fit 4. You can do it, but it's less than optimal.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

What are the great Wolves of Russ then?
I would assume an army jeep or hummer.

Lord of battles wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

What are the great Wolves of Russ then?
I would assume an army jeep or hummer.

An H2. (A really inefficient, gas guzzling, expensive, flashy piece of crap) - Time will tell if the BA codex is the H1 or not.

Yep, buying this codex, no question.

Anyone know what the deal is with the DC kit? 5 models or 10? I noticed it had 20 shoulderpads in it, but is that intended to be extra for conversions?

I would assume 5 for the kit. The rest are probably for conversions.

Magna-poon is real (think Cryx reaper)
S10 psy power is real
scouts are in and as I recall work like codex scouts with same rules and options as C:SM. Save for red thirst. Scout bikes same deal. I think the real gem will turn out to be the sang priests. 1-3 ICs with jp/bike/term options that grant FnP and FC 6" bubbles. Start at the cost of a MM attack bike. Good way to make your DSing RAS a little more beefy.

Also: clairificarion on the Descent of angels rule. Only RAS and sang guard have (and sanguinor). And unit w/packs DSing out of a raven have it for a turn, but can't assault afterwards. So, vanguard vets look to be about as useless as they are in the SM book.

Another note: the stormraven has PotMS, and can swap HBs for TL MM or for typhoon launcher for half the cost of a sang priest. The TL AC can swap for TL LC or TL plascanmon for free. Can add hurricane bolter sponsons for a little more than the typhoons. It can also take a locator beacon. Overall, it could make for a nasty alphastrike platform. Too bad it's pretty flimsy for it's cost. Oddly, the desc for PotMS speaks specifically to being able to shoot even if the vehicle moves at combat speed, but says nothing about flat-out. I imagine thus will end up being argued and will neeed a FAQ.

DC do not have uber-grit. They get a CCW and bolter OR bp. They have relentless though.

If I remember anything more important I'll post it

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I agree, the angelic motif is a lot more desirable than a bunch of glittery edwards running around romancing the female guardsmen.

Klutzy female Guardsmen.

And yeah, I too think we could probably do without the nipples.

0ldsk00l wrote:Magna-poon is real (think Cryx reaper)
S10 psy power is real
scouts are in and as I recall work like codex scouts with same rules and options as C:SM. Save for red thirst. Scout bikes same deal. I think the real gem will turn out to be the sang priests. 1-3 ICs with jp/bike/term options that grant FnP and FC 6" bubbles. Start at the cost of a MM attack bike. Good way to make your DSing RAS a little more beefy.

Also: clairificarion on the Descent of angels rule. Only RAS and sang guard have (and sanguinor). And unit w/packs DSing out of a raven have it for a turn, but can't assault afterwards. So, vanguard vets look to be about as useless as they are in the SM book.

Another note: the stormraven has PotMS, and can swap HBs for TL MM or for typhoon launcher for half the cost of a sang priest. The TL AC can swap for TL LC or TL plascanmon for free. Can add hurricane bolter sponsons for a little more than the typhoons. It can also take a locator beacon. Overall, it could make for a nasty alphastrike platform. Too bad it's pretty flimsy for it's cost. Oddly, the desc for PotMS speaks specifically to being able to shoot even if the vehicle moves at combat speed, but says nothing about flat-out. I imagine thus will end up being argued and will neeed a FAQ.

DC do not have uber-grit. They get a CCW and bolter OR bp. They have relentless though.

If I remember anything more important I'll post it

Man, I'm really unimpressed with DC. I hope the PWs aren't too expensive.

I think BA's weaknesses are going to be the ridiculous amounts of competition that looks to be filling up the Elite slot...

HD300 wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

What are the great Wolves of Russ then?
I would assume an army jeep or hummer.

An H2. (A really inefficient, gas guzzling, expensive, flashy piece of crap) - Time will tell if the BA codex is the H1 or not.

The space wolves are a M1A1 Abrams main battle tank we don't need flash or carrying capacity.

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Skohm wrote:You can take a meltagun/5 marines in the regular troop assault squad. 10 points each.

If anyone has specific questions they can't find here PM me, i'll be going to GW tomorrow again to check it out more.

Thanks, that means I won't have to rip some arms off to make my army legal again.

Same here. I love jump-infantry meltas, at it gets them into range so much quicker!

Lord of battles wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

It's kind of like the Ultras are a 4-door sedan, the BA are a 2-seat sports car, the DA are a minivan, and CSM are a SUV. Each has things in common, but they each clearly shine in different ways.

What are the great Wolves of Russ then?

Toyota Prius.

I guess that makes Chaos Daemons the 5th wheel...

With this level of awesome, just imagine what the Dark Eldar sculpts will look like!

Has nobody made reference to Batman and Robin with the nipples on the armor? I would think it would look better if you filed those down?

I thumbed through the codex at my local GW today.

I'm completely salivating. This looks like an incredible book.

I'm dissapointed I can only take a measly 3 Stormravens, though.

The model for Asgorath is a great pose. Although... I think it would look cooler with a two-handed sword over an axe. Hrm... maybe if it was converted with the nemesis force sword from a GK Terminator... *ponder*

All in all, this looks like a pretty good release with some of the nicest minis since Skaven (though you can't top the Deathmaster IMO). Good to see that Beastmen were a minor glitch in the otherwise upward trend in sculpting quality.

I will resist however. Looking forward to unleashing my new Nids on what will probably be a multitude of BA players next month.

Is it just me, or does one of the Vets and one of the sanguinary gaurds appear to have somthing that looks like a wrist mounted flamer/ melta weapon? or is it just a stylised wrist mounted bolt gun like the rest?