Tyranid Release in January: GW pre-orders up, discussion starts pg 80

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**BeeCee**

even if it's ugly it has to look better than the armorcast one.... i hope.

Does the Haruspex have legs or is it really a slug?

**Absolutionis**

So long as the other kit assembles into something nice-looking we could just hybridize the kit to keep the cool-looking bits. I'm guessing it'll be a Dactylis (giant double catapult) or a Exocrine (giant cannon). Good to see GW is keeping the old names for Tyranids rather than making awful names like Venomthrope, Ripperdactyls, and Tyrannowhammofexosaurs. Then again, with the alternate flier not being an Erinyes, we still have room for something awful. I'm hoping for "Terrordactyl" for pure awful cheese-value.

Electricity-based weapons are nothing new for Tyranids. Trygons have had them for a while, and they're not much more than typical guns. However, of all thing, an electric gun would be a nice flavorful way of shooting down fliers. Super effective!

**Melcavuk**

If they as of yet not revealed bug is the transport but then it seems like it'd be the Malefactor, given that it wasmeant to serve a transportish function previously it'd fit what has been rumoured so far. But then the Haruspex doesnt fit the massively psychic rumour of the transport/psychic combi monster kit.

**xttz**

For reference, here are the Epic Tyranid units currently missing in 40k:

Dominatrix: Super-heavy psychic bug, a Hive Tyrant on the scale of a Hierodule
Haruspex: Tank-sized creature that kills heavy armour with huge claws
Malefactor: Similarly-sized transport bug
Exocrine: Long range anti-tank, similar to a Basilisk
Dactylis: Long range bombardment, akin to a Griffon

This new bug is beginning to sound like a combination Haruspex and Malefactor kit. Which is pretty cool and I would love to see Forge World put out a Dominatrix some day.

**Absolutionis**

Combining the linebreaker Haruspex with a transport Malefactor into one unit doesn't seem too unreasonable. They fill similar roles of getting up close and could essentially be the "Land Raider" of the Tyranids.

Now if there only was a way for this transportofex to rip open a Rhino and squirt Hormagaunts/Rippers inside, it'd be glorious.

**theunicorn**

I think that TimD is right and GW will not reissue the Haruspex, Malefactor, or Exocrine just to keep the demand for the old armocast models way down. I hope I am wrong as I have had a ton of the old armorcast for a long time and would love to get them on the table again.

Those 3 + the dactylis were all slug based tanks from the epic line. All 4 were pretty good representations of the small epic models.

**H.B.M.C.**

Absolutionis wrote:
Good to see GW is keeping the old names for Tyranids rather than making awful names like Venomthrope, Ripperdactyls, and Tyrannowhammofexosaurs.

Yes! More of the former, less of the latter.

**BeeCee**

I guess the BoLS thread has some rules "leaks". I can't get there from work but i thought i'd at least point people over there.

**Absolutionis**

Rumors from BigRed over on BOLS:

We rate this set of rumors possible, coming from mixed sources.

Release Basics
The total release contains 9 new kits, 3 clamshells. ZERO Finecast.

At least 1 new unit per FOC category.

Tyranids may ally with themselves. Their ally FOC is as follows: 1HQ and 2 Troops default, plus optional 1 Elites, 1-2 troop, 1 Fast Attack, 1 Heavy Support.

Biomorphs are in a seperate codex section in categories, with various Tyranid creatures having access to different categories. Biomorph categories are:
- Basic biomorphs
- Rare biomorphs
- Psychic-Leader biomorphs
- Unique biomorphs (only 1 each per army)

Units Rumors
Ymgarl Genestealers retain their ability to assault out of their hidden location.

Lictors only allow snap shots plus gain a hefty cover save when they are unveiled.

Raveners and Hormagaunts are Beasts.

Hormagaunts come equipped with Fleet by default.

Genestealers gain an A, and WS bonus.

Carnifex gains a T bonus, and may take virtually every biomorph in the codex (bringing back all those plastic bits from the kit into use.)

Trygon Primes move to HQ.

Venomthropes and Lictors are purchased in broods of 1-3 per FOC slot, but deploy and operate independently on battlefield.

New dedicated Transport big bug. May purchase a twinlinked set of heavy weapons, Transport capacity of 20 small bugs. Counts as an opened top vehicle for assault purposes.

Another "new" big bug is a direct import from EPIC with it's name unchanged.

Trygon & Raveners digital dataslate from GW Digital the same month as the codex release with a formation allowing Raveners to assault out of the Trygon's Deep Strike tunnel.

**BeeCee**

I wonder if we will see "Hive Fleet tactics". That combined with allying with yourself and the trygon prime going to HQ means you can take a deep striking assault group maybe taking advantage of another hive fleet's "chapter tactics".

That being said, Y-stealers still being able to assault the turn they arrive makes me skeptical.

**MadmanMSU**

Interesting. BigRed directly contradicts with what the other guy posted on Warseer about how many new kits are in the release. Yay for confusion and misleading information!

However, if "Trygon & Raveners digital dataslate from GW Digital the same month as the codex release with a formation allowing Raveners to assault out of the Trygon's Deep Strike tunnel. " is true, then omgyesplease.

**H.B.M.C.**

Lots of clamshells.
No clamshells.
Multiple boxed sets.
Only 4 releases
Duck season.
Rabbit season.
FIRE!

Rumour roulette can be fun sometimes.

**pretre**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rumour roulette can be fun sometimes.

I totally agree!

Endobai - Total rumors: (5 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (4 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (33 TRUE) / (38 FALSE) / (5 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

They are both so blah on their record that you just don't know what to think.

**rigeld2**

After the tease that was Nidvember/Nidmas, I'm going home to the salt mines for a couple weeks.

**Absolutionis**

Endobai's description of the Haruspex is that it's ugly and that it "ate too much". It's probably maintaining it's slug aesthetic.

**BeeCee**

He also confirmed that Hormagaunts were faster and cheaper. so perhaps they are becoming beasts again.

of course all our eggs are in one basket really right now so we will see how it all shakes out.

**Lorizael**

So we're definitely sure for January?
Not like when we were definite for November and then definite for December

**dakkajet**

I like the line "you'll have to wait to January" he...he!

**Shingen**

The one thing I want to see is Trygon / Mawloc getting Beast status, considering they are just bigger Raveners why the hell cant they move the same speed...

**tetrisphreak**

BeeCee wrote:
He also confirmed that Hormagaunts were faster and cheaper. so perhaps they are becoming beasts again.

of course all our eggs are in one basket really right now so we will see how it all shakes out.

He also said "think slaaneshi daemonettes" so I'm thinking it's probably a +3" when running and/or charging. Beasts would be nice too but he didn't reference seekers, so maybe a little between the lines hint there.

He's backing up the 4 box + codex release rumor so that also sounds plausible given past releases. Also dropping spore pods from the book makes sense - nids that can deep strike via burrowing/wings still will, warriors and termagants would need to ride in on the new nid bus.

It's only Monday and I'm dying for the week to go on so we might see some leaked pics soon....

**BeeCee**

nice catch Tetris, i just jumped straight to beasts because they used to be beasts.

**Avian**

pretre wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rumour roulette can be fun sometimes.

I totally agree!

Endobai - Total rumors: (5 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (4 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (33 TRUE) / (38 FALSE) / (5 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

They are both so blah on their record that you just don't know what to think.

Well, last month Larry Vela said the big bug was the Dominar / Karkanos. Today he says that the name is directly ported from Epic, which none of those two names are.

My bet is on the guy who doesn't contradict himself.

**Frozen Ocean**

I hate to get into wishlisting, but perhaps the pod was dropped, so to speak, because of a change to how Tervigons work? Maybe the idea is no longer "spore down, gaunts pile out", but "Tervigon lumbers across the field, shrugging off great volleys of weapons-fire before slowing to a halt and disgorging half a billion gaunts in a beam aimed directly at the other player's face at 0.00003% of light speed".

**BeeCee**

ok so the Endo guy on Warseer keeps saying the Nids are more than a month away.

Is the Jan. release date no 1/4 but 1/11 instead? do the holidays play a factor on that?

**Avian**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
I hate to get into wishlisting, but perhaps the pod was dropped, so to speak, because of a change to how Tervigons work? Maybe the idea is no longer "spore down, gaunts pile out", but "Tervigon lumbers across the field, shrugging off great volleys of weapons-fire before slowing to a halt and disgorging half a billion gaunts in a beam aimed directly at the other player's face at 0.00003% of light speed".

I think it's more that it would have limited appeal as a model. I mean, think of how long it took for them to make a Drop Pod model for marines, and that is for the army that sells more than all the others combined. I doubt what's essentially a gribbly egg would be much of a priority when they could put out some new spiky nasty.

**brassangel**

While these rumors are getting tastier, it still means that Tyranids will be the army completely under-represented by models for the second time in a row.

No model for the Prime, Parasite, or Doom.

Finecast still for Broodlord, Lictor, Venomthrope, Zoanthrope, Biovore, Pyrovore.

No confirmation of Shrikes in the Warrior kit, and Ymgarls are still a conversion.

If GW plans to do what they've done since Necrons and then 6th dropped, that means Tyranids should have a release for every unit in the codex. Also, GW has moved away from Finecast with their last two major releases (Space Marines and Dark Elves), but Tyranids would still be stuck with a disproportionate amount of it if Endobai is to be trusted.

Why should Tyranid players be FORCED to convert a ton of their units, while it's just an encouraged part of the hobby for other armies? Why are Tyranids still stuck with a stupid amount of Finecast models?

Am I the only one concerned by this?

**pretre**

brassangel wrote:
Am I the only one concerned by this?

Not until we see a real release list.

**BeeCee**

Aren't there enough feeder tendril heads to say that Ymgarls are built in to the stealer box?

**Absolutionis**

BeeCee wrote:
Aren't there enough feeder tendril heads to say that Ymgarls are built in to the stealer box?

There is one Feeder Tendril head per four Genestealers on a sprue.

**Avian**

pretre wrote:
brassangel wrote:
Am I the only one concerned by this?

Not until we see a real release list.

Or listS.