Tyranid Release in January: GW pre-orders up, discussion starts pg 80

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**BlaxicanX**

Rubric Marines don't have FnP, they have an invulnerable save, which is its own mechanic and the one the writers used to represent their durability. They don't have some sort of special hybrid FnP+1.

There is a difference between giving two units two entirely different rules, and giving two units the same rule with it being buffed and modified for one of them, basically for the lulz.

**xttz**

Chrysis wrote:

Across the board FNP 6+, with upgrades on bigger bugs? Like 5+ Mid, 4+ Big. Coupled with the historic almost total lack of invulnerable saves such a system could work.

I think fluff-wise, a 6+ FNP on regular troops would be a far better fit for Orks than Nids. For Tyranids, I think the following would be more appropriate:

Psychic MCs (Hive Tyrants and Tervigons) get the option to buy a Null Zone/Warp Field biomorph that gives a 4+ or 5+ invuln
Carnifexes get a FNP save to demonstrate their resilient nature
Flying MC's get some form of Jink buff that reflects their high agility

Instead of traditional saving throws; small disposable bugs like gants should get rule akin to Bodies Over Bullets in Apoc. Depending on the turn number and/or amount of remaining bugs in the brood, the enemy has a chance to only fire snapshots at them, depicting ammo depletion and frantic attempts to wipe out an overwhelming swarm.

**Kroothawk**

Went to sleep and woke up with 2 new pages in the Tyranid news&rumour thread.
Got excited, but then realized, it is just the same old wishlist battle that killed the previous thread.
Can you folks please keep your wishlist discussion to the General 40k forum? Thanks.

On topic, latest Tyranid rumours from BOLS:

We rate this set of rumors possible, coming from mixed sources.

Tyranid Warriors

Tyranid Warriors available in both HQ (Tyranid Prime)and Troops.

- HQ Warriors function as the Prime's retinue, and do not deploy separately.
- Prime + Retinue may deploy in a Mycetic Spore.

Troops Warriors are mostly unchanged.
Updated Biomorphs.
Adrenal Glands is much improved.
Warriors cheaper in points. (75pts base for unit).

Harpy-Eirnye

- Arm design is similar to the Forgeworld Harridan.
- Wings attach to the body via 2 sets of arm slots.
- Back 2 pairs are for the wings.
- First pair of arms is reserved for various weaponry/gribblies.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/12/tyranids-rumorwave-december-pt-2.html
Guess they mean Erinye ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes )
Rules sound more like plausible guesses. Don't think we have genuine rules leaks at this time.
I expect BOLS rumour tracking record to skydive in January

**streamdragon**

pretre wrote:Books have already changed the allies chart so it isn't such a leap to do that here. Also, they could be allowed to ally with themselves. Bam

The strength of the Ally system is that it allows you to bring in something that you don't normally have. Tau/Dar being a good example. Nids allying with themselves doesn't really work, unless we get a Nidtide+; not sure I see them making something more powerful than a Riptide for Nids, but I'm willing to be surprised I guess.

BeeCee wrote:I hope they don't allow Tyranids to ally with anything. But I do know that puts the pressure to create a complete book for them to be able to compete.

"I hope Nids stay the army completely on the outside of this edition, unable to use the reams and reams of releases since 6th that every other army can use!" Thanks dude. Thanks.

**tetrisphreak**

endobai wrote:I had to find the Tyranid codex and more important had to work for a couple of hours, too addicted to things such was food, drink and shelter to ignore this need. I am no Tyranid player so I wanted to have the codex in sight not to make any mistakes people will in turn mistake for something else.

It is still too early to say too much - hardly enjoyable to be in the spotlight shining like the Astronomican for the Hive Fleets...
I can only say maybe 20% of what I know for now. Soon images should start appearing in the web so it will be possible to comment on some of them.

Warriors.

In my opinion definetely the centerpiece of the release. Much like the Tactical squad for the Marine codex they are something every Tyranid player - new or veteran - will have to buy.
The box includes all or almost all weapon options the Warrior entry in the current (still the current) codex has + something really nice. Still don't expect all your wishes to come true. Remember it is no more than three infantry sprues in the box.

The unit's cost.
It depends on the cost of wargear and what special rules give them - namely what Synapse Creature gives them in the new codex. Right now I can see no meaningful point decrease. Still troops though.

Tervigon.

Still troops, but comes with 'the Gaunt tax' to occupy the slot. Gaunts are cheaper so it helps a little.

Much depends on the new psychic powers the Tyranids get because it remains a psycher with randomly generated powers so unlike some psychers in the new tyranid codex.

The Big Bug.

It is big, but not that big. Remember that the Wraithknight and Eldar models in general are smooth and do not have so many limbs, vents, horns, bio-guns etc so making something as large as the Eldar fellow would create something really, really expensive - definetely in titan price range. The big bug is thankfully cheaper.

The creature is taken from the Epic 40k, but the difference in size is not so ridiculously... pronounced, but it is large enough.

Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.
(Added via edit

Tyrant Guard too got something new, a weapon upgrade they will find really useful.

All sounds great to my ears. Hope we're not being trolled.

**Sasori**

I don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm really curious what warriors got, that would make them the "Centerpiece" It can't just be new weapons, as they are laughably fragile right now with T4 and a 4+ save. A volley from pulse rifles will decimate a brood of warriors.

**Redemption**

tetrisphreak wrote:
All sounds great to my ears. Hope we're not being trolled.

Endobai has a good rep. Of course, his source could be trolling him.

But if he's right we'll start to see more pictures before the end of the week, so we'll know soon enough.

**tetrisphreak**

Redemption wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
All sounds great to my ears. Hope we're not being trolled.

Endobai has a good rep. Of course, his source could be trolling him. But if he's right we'll start to see more pictures before the end of the week, so we'll know soon enough.

Agreed. I'm just catiously optimistic -- it's been a tough rumor year of build- ups and let-downs as a nid player.

Thankfully these rumors aren't coming from reddit or 4chan.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.

Get ready kids - it's time to Forge a Narrative using the new ~~random~~ cinematic Instinctual Behaviour Table! Hope you like losing entire units to snake eyes!

**xttz**

Sasori wrote:
I don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm really curious what warriors got, that would make them the "Centerpiece" It can't just be new weapons, as they are laughably fragile right now with T4 and a 4+ save. A volley from pulse rifles will decimate a brood of warriors.

He could just mean that it's a really good kit. That's believable considering similar recent releases - Tac Squads, Wraithguard, etc. All come with comprehensive weapon options and are very customisable. Endobai did say he's not a Tyranid player and even if he's seen their rules, may not understand if/how they've improved.

**Symbio Joe**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.

Get ready kids - it's time to Forge a Narrative using the new ~~random~~ cinematic Instinctual Behaviour Table! Hope you like losing entire units to snake eyes!

I hope it will not be that bad, but I got to admit this line struck fear into my heart. I mean there are not many options that could be added also it does not state that you will roll for them.

**H.B.M.C.**

Symbio Joe wrote:
I hope it will not be that bad, but I got to admit this line struck fear into my heart. I mean there are not many options that could be added also it does not state that you will roll for them.

Don't roll your eyes at me sonny. Looking at recent releases - all since the start of 6th Ed - do you think a nice big chart is more or less likely?

**Redemption**

Endobai eloborated:

Endobai wrote:
Vhalyar wrote:Cheers Endobai. Whether these rumors end up correct or not, at the very least they're interesting enough to be the only reason to visit this thread currently
My source is solid.

I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate a bit on what the big bug's role is? There's not exactly a lot of roles left to fill out in the Tyranid army except "like [x] but bigger!" which is... boring, so I'm curious of it goes in a completely different direction.
Nope I'd rather not do that yet. But you'll easily find out when it is finally shown or its name is leaked - a direct transition from Epic 40k.

Redemption wrote:Thanks for the info Endobai, much appreciated! Do you have any clue whether or not the new Warrior box will include wings to make Shrikes?
Warrior entry options seem covered, but Shrikes are a diffrent entry... cannot say for sure but with so many options in the set I doubt there is any space left...

Instinctive behaviour - clarification

As I was afraid it was misunderstood (yes I see you H.B.M.C.).
Modes stay, so if something lurks it doesn't feed.

But there are more modes than just those two.

Psychic powers

One set of 7 powers, but some creatures do not roll, but get something specific and it doesn't have to be the Primaris.

**H.B.M.C.**

He sees me?

*throws away ring*

Well that was a waste of $3000. Last time I buy anything from a guy with hairy feet...

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Go admit it

you bought the ring with Moar Skullz on rather than the plain gold one....

**Kirasu**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.

Get ready kids - it's time to Forge a Narrative using the new ~~random~~ cinematic Instinctual Behaviour Table! Hope you like losing entire units to snake eyes!

I'm surprised we haven't gotten an entire expansion..er supplement (because people feel compelled to buy things labeled as supplements) devoted to charts. Imagine, an entire 60$ book with NOTHING but random charts. The sheer amount of narratives one could forge is OBSCENE.

**xttz**

Kirasu wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ohh and the instinctive behaviour list is expanded - with entirely new modes some creatures will take when separated from the Hive Mind.

Get ready kids - it's time to Forge a Narrative using the new ~~random~~ cinematic Instinctual Behaviour Table! Hope you like losing entire units to snake eyes!

I'm surprised we haven't gotten an entire expansion..er supplement (because people feel compelled to buy things labeled as supplements) devoted to charts. Imagine, an entire 60$ book with NOTHING but random charts. The sheer amount of narratives one could forge is OBSCENE.

This was basically Necromunda

**AlmightyWalrus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
He sees me?

*throws away ring*

Well that was a waste of $3000. Last time I buy anything from a guy with hairy feet...

Wait, are you implying that Endobai is Sauron?

I supposed that'd explain how he gets all this info...

**pretre**

Kroothawk wrote:
I expect BOLS rumour tracking record to skydive in January

It is going to be the Nidpocalypse in the Rumor Tracker for a lot of sites. People have just spewed so many rumors about Nids that it is impossible for them all to be true.

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Also nice to see Endobai putting out some substance. Yay!

**Frozen Ocean**

Kirasu wrote:
The sheer amount of narratives one could forge is OBSCENE.

Exalted and loved for that one line.

As for the Eirnye, I find it amusing that one creature named after that part of real mythology disappeared (Furies, the ~~literal flying monkeys~~ daemons of Chaos Undivided), and now a Tyranid monster has popped up. I mean, it's fitting, following the theme set by "Harpy" and "Harridan", but still amusing.

**MadmanMSU**

Originally posted by Terrorfex:

Behold brothers and sisters, I have more evidence than you can handle Today we thought of kidding around with games Workshop and since my local dealer has a pretty good relationship with its GW Area Distributor we thought about try to include 3 Boxes of Plastic Hive Guard alongside the other products he needs to order. What started as a little joke ended up with a massive info leak. I was standing next to my dealer while he phoned, the speaker were turned on and this is what I heard with my own ears:

We: Hi XXX, we wanted to make an order
GW: Ok we can put the stuff in the package for this thursday
We: *name all the normal products*
GW: Ok I have managed your oder
We: ah and I saw a box of Hive Guards in the net - I want three of those aswell
GW: Haha yeah leaked pictures - and you know that. You need to wait till january
We: Does that mean we finally see bids in jan?
GW: Yeah, preorder around new year
We: can you give me some information or is this super secret?
GW: Yeah I can - we will inform the stores pretty soon anyway
We: Do you play bids, too or have any idea behind it?
GW: *searches Data* no not really, I rarely play
We: Ah ok
GW: here is what is in our system: a Harpyie for 62,50€, Hive Guards for 45,50€ . Haruspex for 57,50€ and a warrior box for 45,50€ .
We: No Drop Pod?
GW: Apparently not
We: Hmmm strange - I thought they would finally release one.
GW: This is pure speculation but I think I heard that the drop pod is no longer in the codex. this new creature is a transport thing
We: Cool, no chars, fine cast or clamshells?
GW: No just the things I just said, thats all.
We: Cool, can you tell me anything else?
GW: No - thats all
We: Ok Thanks

OK WE HAVE:
Tyranids in Jan
Harpyie 62,50
Schwarmwachen 45,50
Haruspex 57,50
Krieger Box 45,50.

**ergotoxin**

I guess the original poster is german, so that means a price rise of 8.50 euro of the Tyranid Warrior box (from 37 to 45.50)?

**Sinful Hero**

Sounds a little fishy to me. Not sure I trust the whole "I overheard my best friend on the phone say such and such."

Cue the photos of salt mines.

**Kroothawk**

Endobai over at Warseer wrote:
First off cheers for all this! Good tidings are finally coming our way indeed. Glad tervigons are still troops cause I got three of the mommas painted up and would hate only being able to field one or two.

I find your warrior comments interesting and a bit distressing as right now I only have 4 of them. You seem to be implying that they are going to be the best unit in the new codex or at least the center piece that hold the army together. Anything that you can expand on?

Can you please expand on the psychic powers comment? That has me a bit nervous as I am really enjoying the psychic powers offered to me in the rulebook. Enfeeble and endurance are just fantastic… will we still have access to these powers?

The poster below was spot on. The Warriors are a new set, the last one was from 2001 so it is as with the Tacticals who got reinvented, multi-optional new sprues. Cool, useful, but they are not super-killy. Can easily be made the core of the army and have access to very many weapon options so good value for money too.

Psychic powers

I doubt they will remove the access, so far nothing suggests it.

Personally I read his comment as written from a model-design/aesthetic point of view, not refering to rules/ codex-role. Just my 2cents.

Thank you.
(...)
Don't know what Synapse Creature gives them in the new book.
That is pretty much the most important thing here and I am sadly unable to verify it.

Terrorfex over at Warseer wrote:+++++++++++ MAJOR UPDATE +++++++++++

Behold brothers and sisters, I have more evidence than you can handle Today we thought of kidding around with games Workshop and since my local dealer has a pretty good relationship with its GW Area Distributor we thought about try to include 3 Boxes of Plastic Hive Guard alongside the other products he needs to order. What started as a little joke ended up with a massive info leak. I was standing next to my dealer while he phoned, the speaker were turned on and this is what I heard with my own ears:

We: Hi XXX, we wanted to make an order
GW: Ok we can put the stuff in the package for this thursday
We: *name all the normal products*
GW: Ok I have managed your oder
We: ah and I saw a box of Hive Guards in the net - I want three of those aswell
GW: Haha yeah leaked pictures - and you know that. You need to wait till january
We: Does that mean we finally see bids in jan?
GW: Yeah, preorder around new year
We: can you give me some information or is this super secret?
GW: Yeah I can - we will inform the stores pretty soon anyway
We: Do you play bids, too or have any idea behind it?
GW: *searches Data* no not really, I rarely play
We: Ah ok
GW: here is what is in our system: a Harpyie for 62,50€, Hive Guards for 45,50€ . Haruspex for 57,50€ and a warrior box for 45,50€ .
We: No Drop Pod?
GW: Apparently not
We: Hmmm strange - I thought they would finally release one.
GW: This is pure speculation but I think I heard that the drop pod is no longer in the codex. this new creature is a transport thing
We: Cool, no chars, fine cast or clamshells?
GW: No just the things I just said, thats all.
We: Cool, can you tell me anything else?
GW: No - thats all
We: Ok Thanks

OK WE HAVE:
Tyranids in Jan
Harpyie 62,50
Schwarmwachen 45,50
Haruspex 57,50
Krieger Box 45,50.

Translates into:
Tyranids in January
Harpy 62.50 €
Hive Guard Box 45.50 €
Haruspex 57.50 €
Warrior Box 45.50 €
Meaning that the Codex for 39€ will be the cheapest product release that month.

Haruspex would be this ugly bugger:

There was one ugly rumour about a giant crab, that can also transport bugs standing on its upper carapax. Hope this is not true.

**Moloch**

...especially as the Haruspex never was a transport creature. What a weird rumour-mill this time !

**Absolutionis**

The Haruspex was always a really strong linebreaker. It's essentially the same role as a Carnifex in ways. It wouldn't be surprising or out-of-flavor if they gave it a rudimentary way for smaller nidlings to "latch on".

Regardless, the Epic/Armorcast model has always been goofy-looking. Hopefully the new model looks better than a flatfish with oversized claws.

With the old 6thEd "Test" rules that eventually ended up being scrapped test rules, wasn't there the mention of a Cerebore? With the flat slugcrab-like look of a HAruspex, maybe there will be a Cerebore-variant.

Maybe we'll get a Haruspex/Cerebore/Dactylis/Malefactor kit!

**Kroothawk**

Moloch wrote:
...especially as the Haruspex never was a transport creature. What a weird rumour-mill this time !

Almost all recent kits are dual kits, with Haruspex being the assault version and the other (Malefactor? Transportofex?) being the transport version.
But that was a BOLS rumour, so let's stick to the reliable rumours here

**AesSedai**

Now the BoW comment makes sense. GW loses nothing by scrapping spores, no why not take the opportunity to swipe at 3rd parties... :(

Really curious about the haruspex with its "short-ranged bio-weaponry of Acid Jets, Frag Spines, and incredibly powerful mandibles." (lexi)

I really want to hear about the rules. Like a harpy model is all well and good, but without a significant buff, it's useless.

**gorgon**

Sasori wrote:
I don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm really curious what warriors got, that would make them the "Centerpiece" It can't just be new weapons, as they are laughably fragile right now with T4 and a 4+ save. A volley from pulse rifles will decimate a brood of warriors.

The unnamed thing that synapse creatures get could be Eternal Warrior. Obviously wouldn't help versus all the medium S spam, but it'd give them a huge boost against the high S stuff.

Edit: If Mycetic Spore models are gone in favor of normal deep striking (as in the old Seeding Swarm armies from 3rd edition), that would at least be preferable to GW forcing me to replace my gourd conversion with official models at $60+ a pop.

**xttz**

Endobai's response:

Endobai wrote:Heh, so it is out.

I can safely say something more.

All those sets allow construction of another unit, also the Haruspex which can be assembled as... another creature from Epic 40k.

Hive Guards got another weapon option which can be seen on the leaked image.
The weapon is electricity based. No doubt inspired by Teslas, but I have no idea if it works in a similar way.

Tyrant Guards are very lovely. My most favourite models in the release combining what is the best in the 3rd and 4th metal models.
Several weapon options just like with the warriors.

I think that they got those new 50 mm bases. I was mistaken in the past with the SM Centurions so forgive me if I make commit another once again.

Haruspex is damn ugly so you will recognise it immediatelly, but its 'twin' is actually really nice looking MC.

Harpy's 'brother' is not called Eridne/however it was called in those rumours.