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& we're back with our second exciting look at the days of yore!

Today we have White Dwarf 97, published WAY back in January 1988, making it 20 years old!
Brought to you by www.nobleknight.com.




The new releases for Warhammer 40k continue with zoats and squats!







Please note the prominent citidel logo on the bottom of the squat ad! They'll try to deny it but we have PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF!

Fantasy releases include dwarfs


Halflings


And of course, that classic GW 100% original idea, the Balgorg


I never understood why GW let that Peter Jackson guy rip off their IP the way he did in those movies 5 years ago.

As far as company news there's a great article about GW plastics and whether or not they might someday replace metal models.


I'll be back soon with the latest 20 year old news on Warhammer 40k and of course the Secret Origin of the Ultramarines!

OOh please post some info on the ultramarines. I've been watching this issue on ebay to get the ultramarines stuff.

& we're back!

This issue also had an article about Rick Priestly being hard at work answering questions on 40k.

Apparently he's still at :S
(sorry for the crappy scan)


And also had an ad for the Book of the Astronomicon, the first 40k suplement. I have a photocopy of it but would kill (or at least injure, maybe even pay) for a real copy.



& an early design for a gargant


& a painted tyranid


join us next time, for the SECRETS OF THE ULTRAMARINES!

This is one of my favorite issues of White Dwarf!!!

& we're back with an in-depth look at Trilogy of Terror, this issue's three Call of Cthulhu adventures!

Nah, just kidding. It's time for SECRETS OF THE ULTRAMARINES!

So y'say y'know all about the Ultramarines huh? You know about their fall to Chaos right? Do you know how they were refounded during the 3rd founding? Their desert world? Their quadraplegic chapter master? Their half eldar-Librarian?

Then you don't know the Ultramarines!

But now you will!


I love this image, along with the image of the Mentor Legion commander (coming soon!) it's one of the ones that sold me on 40k. I have the figure for this and still use him as my marine commander for my all RT marine army. Just sitting in his chair, looking mean, just saying, 'don't make me get outta my chair and whoop yo ass' to any heretics or xenos who come by. Love him.

And his chapter:


Vision-impaired transcript
Chapter Ultra-marine of the Legiones Astartes was founding during the inter-legionary wars of the thirty-second millennium. tradition places the date at 4001001.M32 - the very first day of the millennium. The chapter is therefore over eight thousand years old, making it a chapter of the third founding. Upon its inception, the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the treacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

And here's the commander himself:


And the chief librarian


Note "Illyan was born to a human mother on the world of Badab following the expulsion of the Tyrant there in 912 of the current millennium. His father was an unknown Eldar mercenary."
And y'all know who the Tyrant of Badab is right? Oh yeah. Continuity. That's the stuff. Unless of course you're the REAL ULTRAMARINES, in which case you get sent off to play with the Squats and the Zoats. Y'know, I think I'll model him up one of these days. He can join the 82nd Airborne marines...

Some of their organization and markings:




and a squad


that's about it for this issue of Retro Reviews but if you have any questions about the REAL ULTRAMARINES let me know.

oh and something barely related from www.somethingawful.com

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.

Tough fellow. Lesser men would remove the powerfist before they wipe.

So it is true that the Ultra Marines use "gene-sperm" instead of geneseed!

Hellfury wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.

He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.

I actually like that older tyranid; kind of dinosaur-alienish.

Treacher-legions!

Heeheehee

Kid_Kyoto wrote:So y'say y'know all about the Ultramarines huh? You know about their fall to Chaos right? Do you know how they were refounded during the 3rd founding? Their desert world? Their quadraplegic chapter master? Their half eldar-Librarian?

WHOA ()

Kid_Kyoto wrote:... formerly the number of one of the teacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

Malf?

And I want some $7 zoats

- Salvage

Kilkrazy wrote:

Hellfury wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.

He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.

Somehow I suspect Lord Calgar is not getting all the respect he deserves.

For the record he uses severer raptor heads as his writing table. Cause that's how he rolls.

And I missed the gene-sprem line till Killkrazy pointed it out.
And I checked turns out treacher is a real word, it means cheater or traitor and comes from the same root. See you learn something every day.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Chapter Ultra-marine of the Legiones Astartes was founding during the inter-legionary wars of the thirty-second millennium. tradition places the date at 4001001.M32 - the very first day of the millennium. The chapter is therefore over eight thousand years old, making it a chapter of the third founding. Upon its inception, the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the treacher-legions (sic) now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honours erased'.

See - this is the kind of stuff I love about 40K. GW makes X-Men retcons look like a minor incident. What cracks me up, though, is that this WD is now so long in our past that folks have forgotten it.

I've sworn to people before, and I can't find it anywhere anymore, but somewhere there's a piece of text in a WD about how not only were the Crimson Fists a First Founding chapter (alluded to in the two-page spread in RT), but that they were at the Istvaan Massacre. Maybe Kid can dig that up....or maybe I really was hallucinating about that. But the find of retcon fluff above makes me think I'm not so crazy after all.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Hellfury wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote: Image removed for the sake of electrons

A.K.A. What a smurf toilet looks like.

He's a brave man, taking a dump with a couple of veliciraptors in the background. Perhaps they are pets.

Somehow I suspect Lord Calgar is not getting all the respect he deserves.

For the record he uses severer raptor heads as his writing table. Cause that's how he rolls.

And I missed the gene-sprem line till Killkrazy pointed it out.
And I checked turns out treacher is a real word, it means cheater or traitor and comes from the same root. See you learn something every day.

Who says wargaming isn't educational.

Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.

Gotta love the High tea scheduled at 2000. Real marines drink tea and Calgar doesn't use TP he just picks up a gaunt instead of fluffy bunny's and uses the pointed teeth end.

For further reading: Anyone who likes this iteration of the Ultra-marines (note: not "Ultramarines!") should take a look at the 1988 edition of Warhammer Siege. The first version of the Battle for Macragge is pretty neat, what with the Zoat's charging across the plain and stuff. They also besiege some Space Orks!

Kyoto, clearly we are of a mind on this. I have that picture of Calgar as my desktop background, and use that miniature whenever Calgar takes the field. There's no school like the old school! (And yes, all of my opponent's claim he's taking a dump.)

No wonder there are no female marines if they only get 30 minutes in the bathroom.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

As far as company news there's a great article about GW plastics and whether or not they might someday replace metal models.


I'll be back soon with the latest 20 year old news on Warhammer 40k and of course the Secret Origin of the Ultramarines!

Do my eyes decive me or does it say make gameing CHEAPER somewhere in their - i see no proff of this! ( nor i bet does any body elese)

if you carnt find it is almost at the close of the picture

does this prove once and for all they are lyers or jsut short sited? make up your own mind i did

Kilkrazy wrote:Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.

Dude, you respect the man, or he'll pimp-slap you down!

See! See! That's when 40k was FUN. F U N.

I want my jokero back :(

Don't forget that the Ravenwing were started by Captain Oblonski during a planetary siege.

Ahh, old school background. How I miss you.

syr8766 wrote:I want my jokero back :(

Codex: Space Orangutans ftw!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Lord Calgar will get my respeck when he becomes a playa.

Dude, you respect the man, or he'll pimp-slap you down!

Respeck! Respeck! to Lord Calgar!!!

He has shoulder pads bigger than my CAR!!1!

Death By Monkeys wrote:

syr8766 wrote:I want my jokero back :(

Codex: Space Orangutans ftw!

Um, have you guys checked out AT-43 recently?

Here come the jokero robot suit masters!

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

See - this is the kind of stuff I love about 40K. GW makes X-Men retcons look like a minor incident. What cracks me up, though, is that this WD is now so long in our past that folks have forgotten it.

I've sworn to people before, and I can't find it anywhere anymore, but somewhere there's a piece of text in a WD about how not only were the Crimson Fists a First Founding chapter (alluded to in the two-page spread in RT), but that they were at the Istvaan Massacre. Maybe Kid can dig that up....or maybe I really was hallucinating about that. But the find of retcon fluff above makes me think I'm not so crazy after all.

I dunno, other than Chapter Ultra-Marines vs the Ultramarines there really haven't been too many retcons. A few years back they even refered to the Battle of the Farm fluff (the sample battle in Rogue Trader which starts with an errant missile destroying the Crimson Fist's fortress killing all but 15 of them).

I can't remember ever seeing that bit of CF fluff but my Rogue Trader archives are far from complete. Anyone else able to chime in?

Pariah Press wrote: For further reading: Anyone who likes this iteration of the Ultra-marines (note: not "Ultramarines!") should take a look at the 1988 edition of Warhammer Siege. The first version of the Battle for Macragge is pretty neat, what with the Zoat's charging across the plain and stuff. They also besiege some Space Orks!

Kyoto, clearly we are of a mind on this. I have that picture of Calgar as my desktop background, and use that miniature whenever Calgar takes the field. There's no school like the old school! (And yes, all of my opponent's claim he's taking a dump.)

Care to post some scans? It's not like I'm the only one allowed to do retro reviews.

These issues are 20 years old. No-one who is younger than 35 now is likely to have ever seen them, so it's not surprising that the majority of players don't realise the retconning.

Nah, retconning is cool, except when you kill off a marriage
to Mary Jane.