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Ain't It Cool News, via Tabletop Gaming News:

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2009/02/12/23271

'Bout damn time!

Need.....plastic.....tiles....confirmed...

Hot diggity! Pretty happy about that. Fantastic game.

Sadly if it is a Major release, ie in stores and not online only, you know the rules will go through a Major overhaul to bring it more inline w/ 5th ed so that new players can easily transfer from simple to start game..to tons of money game.

Look at Necromunda. New rule book, some new models, still older rules for most things and done online. Gorkamorka rerelease? Online only and no rule update.

If they do come out, I hope they don't limit it to just SM and Nids. Would love to bring my Necrons and Daemons to such a thing.

yeah,
It's always a sure thing that spacehulk would happen...
It will sell to the Vets no matter what... fan boys will buy into it too...

It's the details that are missing.
Is this another specialist games release... a PDF...
maybe they will release a book and tiles, sans models?

A whole boxset that they think they can sell in Argos? that's what I'm hoping for...

What ever happens as a FanBoyVet, I'll be buying two sets.

Panic...

Panic wrote:yeah,
It's always a sure thing that spacehulk would happen...
It will sell to the Vets no matter what... fan boys will buy into it too...

It's the details that are missing.
Is this another specialist games release... a PDF...
maybe they will release a book and tiles, sans models?

A whole boxset that they think they can sell in Argos? that's what I'm hoping for...

What ever happens as a FanBoyVet, I'll be buying two sets.

Panic...

Good points!

If the tile sets (plastics?) are good, I'll be buying at least two sets!

You just now this will be another AoBR deal, right?

Well, that's cool by me. Space Hulk was one of the few GW "sideline" games that I didn't try, and I always thought it looked like a lot of fun. More fun than GorkaMorka anyway...

One thing that I did find interesting was the question of what chapter would be used. While I'm an old Blood Angel player I think it would be neat to see the Deathwing get some exposure. I don't play DoW so I could give a flip about the Blood Ravens.

Now, here's a thought. Will this be GW's foray into pre-paints?

talthar wrote:Now, here's a thought. Will this be GW's foray into pre-paints?

Hints from sources say most likely. Then again, there's also talks of it being a slightly different scale from regular 40K, as well.

Call me greedy, but I want them to make cardboard tiles that are compatible with the old tiles.

BYE

I'm excited over new Space Hulk this year, especially if it's multi-tiled. Hopefully, they add rules for other Xenos and Imperials, especially Guard...

If GW would just give a few missions so we could run an Ordo Xenos IG Veteran squad against those 'stealers....

Game Over, man - Game Over!

Plus a new Space Hulk set is more fodder for Dark Heresy floorplans.

BYE

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm excited over new Space Hulk this year, especially if it's multi-tiled. Hopefully, they add rules for other Xenos and Imperials, especially Guard...

If GW would just give a few missions so we could run an Ordo Xenos IG Veteran squad against those 'stealers....

Game Over, man - Game Over!

You I'd agree, I'd love rules for using dark eldar in space hulk, I can picture them creeping around those corridors now.

Platuan4th wrote:

talthar wrote:Now, here's a thought. Will this be GW's foray into pre-paints?

Hints from sources say most likely. Then again, there's also talks of it being a slightly different scale from regular 40K, as well.

Ugh!

Where are you hearing this?

And what have you heard?

It won't be a good 'gateway drug' for GW if they do this, so I'm not sure that they will...

Yay!!!

Alpharius wrote:
Ugh!

Where are you hearing this?

And what have you heard?

It won't be a good 'gateway drug' for GW if they do this, so I'm not sure that they will...

I had heard if they decide to change the scale(it's a possibility, apparently), it's because they're worried it might cut into the sales of Plastic Terminator Box Sets. 10 termies plus Genestealers for slightly more than the Termie box means almost no one will buy the 5 piece multi-part set.

That and they're contemplating PPP.

That's all I've heard, though.

PPP?

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:PPP?

BYE

PrePainted Plastic, ala AT-43.

Platuan4th wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
Ugh!

Where are you hearing this?

And what have you heard?

It won't be a good 'gateway drug' for GW if they do this, so I'm not sure that they will...

I had heard if they decide to change the scale(it's a possibility, apparently), it's because they're worried it might cut into the sales of Plastic Terminator Box Sets. 10 termies plus Genestealers for slightly more than the Termie box means almost no one will buy the 5 piece multi-part set.

That and they're contemplating PPP.

That's all I've heard, though.

Certain Rackham apologists love to keep bringing up the PPP thing with GW, but I just don't see it happening.

Also, if the Terminators in the Space Hulk set are similar to the ones in AoBR, I think the multi-part set will continue to do just fine.

Ewwww... not as bad as a different scale, but still bad.

I just can't see GW doing that though. GW is always about the 'hobby'. Pre-painted plastics goes against that. So does releasing a set of models that no one can use anywhere else.

BYE

Platuan4th wrote:Then again, there's also talks of it being a slightly different scale from regular 40K, as well.

This would confirm something that I have heard from several sources. Namely that GW was hesitant to release the game as it would cannibalize their sales of Terminators and Genestealers. The markup on the figs in a boxed game would be substantially less than the typical boxed set and they saw the game as a way for people to build their armies on the cheap.

I suspect though that if the game is released that it will just have simpler less detailed figures.

40MM squares would let you put in 4 or 5 genestealers. A good bit of news, however it comes out.

Alpharius wrote:Certain Rackham apologists love to keep bringing up the PPP thing with GW, but I just don't see it happening.

Jervis has flat out said they won't do them.

Platuan4th wrote:I had heard if they decide to change the scale(it's a possibility, apparently), it's because they're worried it might cut into the sales of Plastic Terminator Box Sets. 10 termies plus Genestealers for slightly more than the Termie box means almost no one will buy the 5 piece multi-part set.

Given that the 5-Termie box is grossly overpriced by at least 50% and should cost only $25 or $35 at most, that's perfectly fine.

Besides, with AoBR providing 5 Termies + 10 Tacticals + 1 Dread + rules + templates + lots of Orks, nobody should be buying the Termie box, anyways.

Except those who want things other than Stormbolters.

Or don't want to have to off-load any Orks.

Or extra Marines they don't want/need.

Or want models that can be posed.

Or want to do their own Chapter using FW shoulder pads.

Or want to do Deathwing.

Or want to do Wolf Guard.



Actually John, I can think of a lot of reasons to buy the Termy box over Battle for Black Lagoon.

BYE

I agree that the "not wanting to cut into plastic termie" sales is a kinda weak argument. They did the same thing for the second edition of space hulk, and people still bought termies and genestealers separate. At the time, the terminators and genestealers were identical to what you could buy separate. Hell, I think Space Hulk was the debut of the plastic terminators at the time.

Smaller scale? No way......GW wants it be a gateway for new/other players.

PPP? Not likely.....GW Philosophy is all about the "Hobby Journey" of each person.

Worried about cutting into the price of Genestealers/Termi? Look at AoBR there are terminators in there. Maybe they will make these one a variant different than the AoBr or maybe they won't.

Hmmm, maybe something along these lines?

A supplement, a la 'warhammer skirmish' that gives guidelines on how to use exhisting models and terrain to produce the effect of Space Hulk? Using the existing road packs for corridors and urban terrain cut up to make bulkheads and doors?

Of course tweaking the lists so you HAVE to buy new Terminators and 'Stealer boxes and have to convert to be WYSIWIG and play the game properly. Possibly a repackaging of the Termis from AoBR and the 'stealers from BfM?

No sense in creating a whole new set when you can get people to buy up existing sets to play the 'new' variant. Better to push the sales of existing sets rather than spend the time and money on creating new stuff.

Just a thought, given GW's sales model, but just speculating. Hope it turns out to be a whole new set and supporting minis so I have a whole 'nother game to spend me dracmas on.

whitedragon wrote:Hell, I think Space Hulk was the debut of the plastic terminators at the time.

It was the debut of the second generation plastic Terminators. Up until then we had three types of Terminators:

1. Original RT-Era metal Termies - Quite a bit smaller than what we have today.
2. 2nd Edition metal Termies - Bigger than the RT-era ones, and work quite well with the current Termies when you put them on a 40mm base.
3. 1st Gen Plastic Termies - Single piece ugly monstrosities with clip-on Heavy Flamers.

The original Space Hulk (and Tyranid Attack for that matter) had those Terminators. Soon after we got the only ever plastic Terminator Librarian as well.

Space Hulk 2nd Ed came out, and with it came a few new poses for the Genestealers, and a new set of multi-piece Terminators. They were special because they looked the same as the current metal ones, and you could pose them (turn their waists). As the RT-era metals had been replaced by this stage, for a long time these were the two only Terminator kits until the current plastic Termies (3rd Gen) came out.

If this is supposed to be another GW 'Gateway Drug' (as AICN put it), then having a different scale for the models is a bad idea. Nothing will leave more of a bad taste in Jonny-8-year-old's mouth if he finds out the cool models he bought can't be used with the 'big' game because they're either too big or two small.

BYE