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2016/04/27 19:38:06
Subject: Mantic Games - Sci-Fi N&R Thread - Deadzone preorders now live - links page 76
NobodyXY wrote: @Bob
No, but I'd start a ticket if your concerned.
@streetsamurai
Prefacing this just to say I have and play both Deadzone(DZ) and Deathwatch: Overkill(D:O).
It depends on what your comparing. Price per model(USD)
Deathwath Overkill is 165(Full Retail) or 50 models at 3.3 per model.
Deadzone is 79.99(Same) or 20 models at 3.95 per model.
That doesn't really tell us much though. so lets dig into it a bit more.
D:O has thick card tiles, a softback rulebook. 6xD6 dice, 2 sets of cards and a non standard clear ruler.
DZ has HIPS plastic scenery, a hardback rulebook, 8xD8, 6(?) non standard command dice, token sheet and a paper mat.
So which is a better value? Depends on your needs.
I played a slightly simplified version of D:0 with my 6 year old daughter and she understood all the concepts needed, I consider this a plus.While playing it with adults, it was full of interesting choices, The genestealers especially. I really like the way the GSC deploy, the whole concept of asymmetrical warfare appeals to me in general though. D:O has a lot of models to prep before you can play mission 1. I dislike using unpainted models so having to paint a large chunk of those models to play the first mission, I see as a negative. The models are nice, and are similar in terms of mould lines to the mantic HIPS I've seen(Forge Guard and Enforcers). The models are monopose and to be honest this hurts the kit a bit. In my opinion the best part about a GW kit is the customization options. If this had been more in line with BAC I would have had more fun building these models. The number of unique poses helps, but I don't feel that same attachment as a model I posed and armed myself. The game is ultimately not going to engage a meat and potatoes gamer much longer than a the length of the campaign. Replay value is increased by being able to choose the DW team, and through the use of the Broodmind Deck.
Deadzone isn't something that could be as easily taught to a 6 year old because while the game uses simple mechanics it then layers them in a complex way. DZ games take place in a 3D space which feels more realistic. Deadzone definitely has more 'meat' than the former. Examples include customization of standard units, Command Dice and a campaign system. DZ needs less models to play your first game. about 10ish for a standard game. This was important to me as I wanted to use only painted minis, if you remember. The models themselves are a multi-pose and comes with all the pros and cons of multipose models. The game play itself can best be described as a small tactical skirmish. The counters(assuming similar quality as V1) are sturdy enough to last a long time. Speaking of counters, DZ is a counter 'heavy' game. Models may have 1,2 or in extreme cases 3 tokens attached to them at any time.
This feels a bit cluttered given the already restricted playing space. The biggest single benefit to the DZ starter box(past and present) is that it is a perfect entry point, containing almost everything( no paint, clippers or glue) you need in the box to start the hobby AND play a game of DZ as it was meant to be played. No additional terrain or model buys are needed to have a game at the standard level. I feel this is rare in starters. This feels more like a complete game in a box with expansions, rather than a 'first one is free' style of starter set.
Hope that helps some.
thanks for the elaborated answer
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
I was one of the first people to confirm the pledge manager. I love in rural Iowa, and I'm getting a bit paranoid.
Due to being in the middle of nowhere I tend to be one of the last people to get my things. Also, I've had some REALLY bad luck as of late (imagine paying for 3-day shipping only to have to cancel your order 6 weeks later).
If there is anyone else in the Midwest that has received their things let me know.
cuda1179 wrote: I was one of the first people to confirm the pledge manager. I love in rural Iowa, and I'm getting a bit paranoid.
Due to being in the middle of nowhere I tend to be one of the last people to get my things. Also, I've had some REALLY bad luck as of late (imagine paying for 3-day shipping only to have to cancel your order 6 weeks later).
If there is anyone else in the Midwest that has received their things let me know.
For which KS?
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cuda1179 wrote: I was one of the first people to confirm the pledge manager. I love in rural Iowa, and I'm getting a bit paranoid.
Due to being in the middle of nowhere I tend to be one of the last people to get my things. Also, I've had some REALLY bad luck as of late (imagine paying for 3-day shipping only to have to cancel your order 6 weeks later).
If there is anyone else in the Midwest that has received their things let me know.
For which KS?
The Deazone KS that ended a few months back. The one with the Mules transport.
cuda1179 wrote: I was one of the first people to confirm the pledge manager. I love in rural Iowa, and I'm getting a bit paranoid.
Due to being in the middle of nowhere I tend to be one of the last people to get my things. Also, I've had some REALLY bad luck as of late (imagine paying for 3-day shipping only to have to cancel your order 6 weeks later).
If there is anyone else in the Midwest that has received their things let me know.
For which KS?
The Deazone KS that ended a few months back. The one with the Mules transport.
That was Warpath and isn't scheduled to deliver until the end of this year.
Not the best paint jobs (they may even be unfinished?), but the models look very promising. Very excited to have these in my hands. I expect they'll need some modding for full potential, especially if (as I expect) Mantic went ahead and designed the marionettes with their legs, torsos, and chests cast altogether as one body piece, leaving just the head and arms for multipart posing.
But I'm into modding anyway.
I'm just glad they didn't make them look like T&A 80's Glam Rock stars, like Marvel did.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: I thought marionettes already had models? Didn't they look like guardians with spikey things out of their shoulders?
Those are Cyphers. Marionettes are new, here's the fluff:-
More basic versions of the same technology powering Cyphers, these drone-like combat chassis sacrifice the precision and elegance of a Cypher for simplicity, allowing several to be controlled by one operator.
Definitely useful for any sci-fi gaming as just humanoid drones
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Definitely useful for any sci-fi gaming as just humanoid drones
That's why I grabbed some! I too am hoping they aren't a single piece torso and body, but at the very least they shouldn't be too difficult to slice apart if I want some variation in poses.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
I love the look of them. I'm glad I ordered a bunch.
From the look of it, the torsos are likely separate pieces on the mold, tilted back slightly to allow for the sockets in each shoulder where the arms attach. If that's the case, the design is brilliant.
Does anyone know who is doing the tooling/plastics? The Lower Abyssals for KoW2 seem to be an entire level of tooling and casting quality above the Salamanders, so I'm hoping Mantic sends more work to the better factory or team.
CptJake wrote: Are they shipping stuff for the DZ 2nd Edition KS yet?
I think so, there have been reports of shipments arriving.
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Should I be surprised Mantic just sent me an email telling me how awesome it is that DZ2 can be bought online at at stores in May, and yet I still don't have my DZ2 stuff from the KS?
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CptJake wrote: Should I be surprised Mantic just sent me an email telling me how awesome it is that DZ2 can be bought online at at stores in May, and yet I still don't have my DZ2 stuff from the KS?
Mine says May 23 for retail, and apparently people are already getting their pledges in the Mail. Hopefully won't take 24 more days to get to you.
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These look fantastic. How do they look alongside the other races? Are they about the same size (and same base size) as Enforcers? I've asked Mantic what the base size is for the Asterians, as I've not seen them photographed alongside the other factions, and haven't yet gotten an answer. Thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: another reason why I'd like to know how big the Asterians are: I have an Eldar army. I'm wondering how well they'd sub in for Asterian figures.
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My entire Deadzone 2 Lockdown pledge (+ a ton of extras) just arrived.
Kudos to Mantic!
It came trackable through TNT and I received email notification.
The entire Lockdown pledge with a load of extras arrived perfectly packed, with nothing missing.
The quality of the plastic sprues looks excellent and I was mistaken for thinking the new pvc was actually resin. The detail looks fantastic.
Obviously I haven't put any models together yet, so I can't comment on how well they fit.
After a quick look, the only models I felt underwhelmed by were the metal models - although I haven't really given them much chance.
The hardback rulebook for those wanting to know is the same physical dimensions as the Kings of War v2 hardback - although the Deadzone book has less page count so is thinner.
Now I have a box of plastic crack large enough to last well beyond the end of my natural life - and I was about to start painting my Maelstrom's Edge too.
#happy times
Currently most played: Silent Death, Mars Code Aurora, Battletech, Warcrow and Infinity.
I had a "You were out" from TNT today. Turns out, the nearest TNT place to me is halfway to Nottingham. I am... not impressed at all.
Rang them up and was told that, TNT are primarily a business-to-business delivery company, so don't cater for the sorts of things you'd expect for residential customers. - EG Drop-off points.
Very, very frustrated with Mantic. I'm probably going to have to take a days leave to get this delivery. Which, tallying up the invisible balance sheet, would cost me more significantly more money than I saved in the kickstarter.
~4100
~1660
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