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 plastictrees wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:



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 plastictrees wrote:
I think GWs head of marketing definitively stated that all imaginary boxed sets would be cross-compatible in his last pod-cast.

Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Haha. Very sorry to interrupt the guessing what GW are going to do, debates about Knights in 30k, the merits of plastic over resin, and glue tips. We'll be right back on track now I'm sure.

Your mockery would have more bite if you weren't trying to actively derail the thread with a bs "rumor". And between the two of of us at least my post tied into the actual topic being raised, namely the reasons why people are excited for a possible plastic release (the chances of which with Hastings stating it as coming are really high) and why this release is actually a good thing.

Seriously, if you're going to take shots at me the least you can do is actually get on my level.

Pulling this back on track here's what Lords of War Gaming had to say on the release just in case anyone is looking for just a little extra confirmation of details from reliable sources:

Plastic HH marks of armor in May? You're way off!

So no HH in May.

April/May
It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

Again, no HH in May, that's strictly blocked off for Mechanicus.

It will be a full army.

Mechanicus is a full army.

40k board game is Horus Heresy based and springboards into GW producing plastic 30k models later.

^^^We have a winner!

The HH board game is temporary and lines up with a plastic line for them.

That's all we got from Lords of War Gaming on May and the HH stuff.


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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Wait, this entire thread is about a generic plastic Horus Heresy boxed set that's half the price of existing boxed sets.

Which part of this thread isn't about made up nonsense?

The parts that came from Hastings and Lords of War Gaming that stated a HH board game was coming and the models will be later sold seperately as part of a plastic 30k line (with FW sticking to the upgrade kits and specialty vehicles they used to for everything).

valace2 wrote:
Horus Rising, False Gods, Betrayer, and the First heretic were all very good as well.

Know No Fear was a great read, IMO. The structure made it read -- at least up to 00:00:00 -- like you were watching a glass fall to the floor in slow motion, AND actually had me cheering like hell for the Ultramarines, which is no small achievement.

The quality of the books can vary quite a bit, but it's important to remember that none of this gak is literature with a capital "L".

Is adeptus mech confirmed?

It seems we've not had news of it for a while.

I find it hard to believe it would come out before MOAR MARINEZZ!

But hey, Harlis got a codex...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is adeptus mech confirmed?

It seems we've not had news of it for a while.

I find it hard to believe it would come out before MOAR MARINEZZ!

But hey, Harlis got a codex...

Lords of War Gaming has a heck of a track record and said it, and Hastings has too (emphasis mine):

75hastings69 wrote:
and so shall I.

Right guys there are several separate rumours that folks are getting mixed up. So I'll at least split it up a little for you. THIS IS NOT RELEASE ORDER, just to help separate the rumours. IT ALSO ISN'T A FULL LIST OF THIS YEARS 40K RELEASES, in fact some of these may be early next year. NONE OF THESE ARE WFB BASED.

Admech Codex & models (full release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Standalone Boxed "historical game" models from which will form part of "a full range" (notice I didn't say existing range )
***** Standalone Boxed Game models from which will form part of an existing range

I haven't heard anything about mark 9 armour so don't associate it with any of the above.
Speculate away

So yeah, Ad Mech is confirmed. So far the only release date we've seen for it was the LoWG one, IIRC.

Anybody half expecting some sort of special Horus Heresy boxed game that's limited edition like Space Hulk? Seems pretty GW of a thing to do.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Anybody half expecting some sort of special Horus Heresy boxed game that's limited edition like Space Hulk? Seems pretty GW of a thing to do.

It could work. Of course if it's more tiles, and they're compatible with the Space Hulk ones, then I'll be all over it. Should be out sometime in May* I believe.




*Sorry Zion.

Don't apologize when you don't mean it H.M.B.C., it demeans you.

I don't really expect Space Hulk or Space Crusade, or really anything we've seen so far. GW has been known to go with the unexpected sometimes and until we know more I'm not really read go go "it's like X" just yet.

Hastings straight up said it wouldn't be like Space Hulk.. Or maybe it was that it wouldn't be another Space Hulk... one or the other.

I fully expect it to be a starter set with a small rulebook that details marine vs marine action.

If they made it limited edition... that'd honestly go against the main reason they'd be doing it in the first place: taking production pressure off of FW. If they make it limited, then for a short time they'll take that pressure off, but then it'll be back on when it runs out, and won't make a great springboard into a full line of minis.

I have a feeling it'll be something that'll be around for a while, if it's successful, and all signs point to yes.

Esp. considering how many people have already said they're willing to lay down 200+ dollars on a box they don't even know the details of yet.

drbored wrote:


Esp. considering how many people have already said they're willing to lay down 200+ dollars on a box they don't even know the details of yet.

Or, because people dont even know the details yet
As long as the imagination set the limits , this release is great news.
It will actually be interesting to see GWs current whimsical aestethics interpret the gritty and mudcrawling 30k style that FW do so well.
Im suprised people are not more worried about fat comtemptors in silly dark vengence dread pose or something.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Don't apologize when you don't mean it H.M.B.C., it demeans you.

Please grow a sense of humour...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Don't apologize when you don't mean it H.M.B.C., it demeans you.

Please grow a sense of humour...

Only when you learn how to actually say something funny.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

valace2 wrote:
30k is a tactical game, because everyone for the most part has access to the same units and wargear.

Mechanicum and Solar Auxilla are already breaking the mold (not to mention you can run an army of Titans and I'd argue the Knight codex fits into 30k just fine too), adding in a couple of the established Xeno races we know where around at the time won't hurt, at least as long as the rules are done correctly.

The 40K Knight codex is unnecessary, as the Knight list in HH4: Conquest basically shows you what GW could have done if their design team had two braincells to rub together.

So much this, I've stopped using the Knight codex and have made a full-time jump to the Questoris Knight list, which my opponents also thankfully agree to it as being a superior way of properly presenting an Imperial Knight army. Not to mention, it's so fluffy! And the ability to buy ranks and use those to put models in certain forge org slots, brilliant.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

HH Box set has been said to NOT be a May release by both Lords of Wargaming and Hastings. We need to stop saying May for it's release already.

What's in line for the June launch (may pre-launch) to boost the end of year report? I'd have thought a HH box set would be perfect for that.

Herzlos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

HH Box set has been said to NOT be a May release by both Lords of Wargaming and Hastings. We need to stop saying May for it's release already.

What's in line for the June launch (may pre-launch) to boost the end of year report? I'd have thought a HH box set would be perfect for that.

AdMech it would seem.

Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Dunno. Space Hulk + End Times + Deathstorm + Stormclaw (+ 7th Ed. I suppose) didn't seem to be enough to halt GW's slow decline last year. What is going to be enough?

Not sure what the lead-up is for these kinda things. Maybe they thought AdMech would be good enough, but later decided to go all-out-Heresy, when the above stuff didn't reverse the downward trend, but it simply takes time?

I guess the Bloodthirster also is a near-Imperial-Knight-priced kit at about the same time of the year as last year's Knight, with sales across both game-lines, no?

Maybe they'll just take another hit on the half-year, making the relative boost through HH (assuming it sells as crazy as people predict) more impressive, kinda how some of the recent slowdown was looking perhaps a bit more dire than it truly was, relatively, due to how unusually good 2012 was for GW?

Or maybe BoLS is right while Harry, Hastings, LoWG & co are all wrong and Heresy is indeed coming in May? Oh wait...


It's funny how much the excitement about AdMech died down, due to how old those rumours are. Anytime more than 6 months ago, the prospect of plastic AdMech would've let nearly everyone to predict that GW will be printing money again like there's no tomorrow. Almost seems to vindicate GW's odd "secrecy-to-shock-into-impulse-buy-approach".

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Nothing they do this year will help honestly. They cut everything they can to make a profit the past few years. I'm not sure what they can cut now.

Unless 9th (fantasy) will be the greatest thing ever ( it won't) and the final 2-3 mini releases e.g. AM, Genestealer cult, Kroot. really really sell I'm not even sure they will break even.

Hey but last time someone said this they got called a conspiracy Theorist.

migooo wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Nothing they do this year will help honestly. They cut everything they can to make a profit the past few years. I'm not sure what they can cut now.

Unless 9th (fantasy) will be the greatest thing ever ( it won't) and the final 2-3 mini releases e.g. AM, Genestealer cult, Kroot. really really sell I'm not even sure they will break even.

Hey but last time someone said this they got called a conspiracy Theorist.

Um... They will break even, I am sure of that.

Has GW ever not made a profit in the last 20 years or so? I am sure it'll be smaller once again, but they are still making profit, and indeed make vastly more profit than they did throughout most years between the burst of the LotR-bubble and 2010 to 2012-ish, when they really hit the bank.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
A board games with 30K blood angels against the aliens from murder would be cool .

But if it is a new board game i still would be interested in the mini's

It would be so disappointing if it was a board game, period.

Wonderwolf wrote:

migooo wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Nothing they do this year will help honestly. They cut everything they can to make a profit the past few years. I'm not sure what they can cut now.

Unless 9th (fantasy) will be the greatest thing ever ( it won't) and the final 2-3 mini releases e.g. AM, Genestealer cult, Kroot. really really sell I'm not even sure they will break even.

Hey but last time someone said this they got called a conspiracy Theorist.

Um... They will break even, I am sure of that.

Has GW ever not made a profit in the last 20 years or so? I am sure it'll be smaller once again, but they are still making profit, and indeed make vastly more profit than they did throughout most years between the burst of the LotR-bubble and 2010 to 2012-ish, when they really hit the bank.

yep claiming that their is a chance that GW doesnt' break even this year shows a clear lack of business knowledge. Their profit might decline, but there is no way in hell that it declines so much that they go in the red.

So If admech or the HH box game (I think that's what we've all decided on what GW are doing no wish-listing here aye ) do come out in June I will be like a Legionnaire meeting their primarch for the first time, my 21st is in June

Oh man. Probably the only thing more funny to watch than grown men discussing shareholder values and stock market prices to figure out what it means for their toy soldiers is how you guys start tearing at each other after there have been no updates for the rumor for over two weeks. Seriously, chill out everyone. We'll see how it goes.
That rumor can lead us anywhere. Remember there is no proper starter for 7th. Maybe they'll just make this thing a multi-purpose kit? Want to play 40k? 30k? Both? We have you covered. Would actually be a nice idea for once. Maybe it's total bogus and nothing comes of it. Relax and see what happens or at least wait for some new rumors before you start braining each other with the poke-y sticks.

Wonderwolf wrote:

migooo wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Nothing they do this year will help honestly. They cut everything they can to make a profit the past few years. I'm not sure what they can cut now.

Unless 9th (fantasy) will be the greatest thing ever ( it won't) and the final 2-3 mini releases e.g. AM, Genestealer cult, Kroot. really really sell I'm not even sure they will break even.

Hey but last time someone said this they got called a conspiracy Theorist.

Um... They will break even, I am sure of that.

Has GW ever not made a profit in the last 20 years or so? I am sure it'll be smaller once again, but they are still making profit, and indeed make vastly more profit than they did throughout most years between the burst of the LotR-bubble and 2010 to 2012-ish, when they really hit the bank.

They have made a profit. however If you look at the more recent years, they have cut staff, moved production and increased prices and still made much less profit than before. Can you see why I think they might not make it this year?

They also have to pay the licence to New Line oh and possibly Kirby will do that stock thing again and net another 6 million.


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 streetsamurai wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

migooo wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
Is AdMech a big enough thing to make a difference?

Nothing they do this year will help honestly. They cut everything they can to make a profit the past few years. I'm not sure what they can cut now.

Unless 9th (fantasy) will be the greatest thing ever ( it won't) and the final 2-3 mini releases e.g. AM, Genestealer cult, Kroot. really really sell I'm not even sure they will break even.

Hey but last time someone said this they got called a conspiracy Theorist.

Um... They will break even, I am sure of that.

Has GW ever not made a profit in the last 20 years or so? I am sure it'll be smaller once again, but they are still making profit, and indeed make vastly more profit than they did throughout most years between the burst of the LotR-bubble and 2010 to 2012-ish, when they really hit the bank.

yep claiming that their is a chance that GW doesnt' break even this year shows a clear lack of business knowledge. Their profit might decline, but there is no way in hell that it declines so much that they go in the red.

Really?, So the fact that, they are rapidly declining in profit and they have cut almost everything to the bone so they can go into the green shows I have no business acumen? I said they might not break even, they might, they may also make a profit. They have to pay Kirby, and others otherwise they will just flog the stock, which means price increasing or cutting. Have you known Stock Holders not want their dividends?

Hobbit or Lotr will vanish this year so its been rumored so fine, but I think they still have to pay the licence till 2018
what can they cut this year?, tell me and I will retract my statement. You know When I was In business classes Products meant money, even if you have to put them in a sale. they could remelt them and make more space marines I guess.

But lets see, removal of them from the old boxes means time and melting, recasting more time. and those machines are quite power hungry more money, money GW does not have to waste at this moment.

They have 2 games basically and soon it will be 1.5. that's a big cut. But is it enough?

2012-2013 Revenue = £134m Pre tax profit = £21m

2013-2014 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £12m

All it would take is for 14/15 to follow the same linear curve and they would be posting a loss or damn near it.

It would show a lack of business knowledge to claim that it wasn't a possibility.

For the half year, GW had a profit of 5.5 pounds. Why would it suddenly be in the red at the end of the year ?

Yes their situation is precarious, but I'm willing to bet that they still will turn a profit this year.

I bought the last few FW models I need for my Adepticon 30k army list. I'm doing my part!

Also, I'd be all over a 30k board game with models and terrain and stuff, but I'm not holding my breath. May is, like, 8 months away or something like that.

 Azreal13 wrote:
2012-2013 Revenue = £134m Pre tax profit = £21m

2013-2014 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £12m

All it would take is for 14/15 to follow the same linear curve and they would be posting a loss or damn near it.

It would show a lack of business knowledge to claim that it wasn't a possibility.

As I said, the half year report, while showing a decline, doesn't gives anything to claim that such a drastic decline might happens agains this year.

It takes some pretty crazy extrapolation to think they might turn a loss.

Anyway, I'm not trying to defend GW. I think that their business decision are mostly terrible, and they are pricing themselves out of the market, instead of using their scale economies to mark down price, drown competitors, and lower the barrier at entry for the customer. If they continue this trend, they might well turned in a loss before soon, but it sure wont as hell be this year.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
2012-2013 Revenue = £134m Pre tax profit = £21m

2013-2014 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £12m

All it would take is for 14/15 to follow the same linear curve and they would be posting a loss or damn near it.

It would show a lack of business knowledge to claim that it wasn't a possibility.

As I said, the half year report, while showing a decline, doesn't gives anything to claim that such a drastic decline might happens agains this year.

It takes some pretty crazy extrapolation to think they might turn a loss.

Exactly, a linear trend would put them at £4m profit this year, and a £5m loss next year. So it could really go either way, and isn't *that* relevant to plastic heresy, which I can see being hugely popular up until it goes OOP.

 Azreal13 wrote:
2012-2013 Revenue = £134m Pre tax profit = £21m

2013-2014 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £12m

All it would take is for 14/15 to follow the same linear curve and they would be posting a loss or damn near it.

It would show a lack of business knowledge to claim that it wasn't a possibility.

Why use so few points of references?


2005-2006 Revenue = £115m Pre tax profit = £3.7m
2006-2007 Revenue = £115m Pre tax profit = - £2.9m
2007-2008 Revenue = £110m Pre tax profit = £1m
2008-2009 Revenue = £125m Pre tax profit = £7.5m
2009-2010 Revenue = £126m Pre tax profit = £16.1m
2010-2011 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £15.4m
2011-2012 Revenue = £131m Pre tax profit = £19.5m
2012-2013 Revenue = £134m Pre tax profit = £21m
2013-2014 Revenue = £123m Pre tax profit = £12m

Because the decline is a relatively recent thing, so taking information from a time when their revenue wasn't decreasing is likely taking it from a time when whatever factors are causing it weren't as developed. There's not a lot of point looking at information from 5 years ago, because a lot of what was relevant then no longer applies.