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I can't wait until decent pictures of those ammo grots. A couple of them look like the existing ones, but others look new,

 BrookM wrote:
Whenever will Secret Weapon see its release though?

Soon. The tiles are already finished and cast.

Blllluuuuuuuurrrrrryyyyyyyyy.

Huh. Zagstrukk bundle is decent. Saves you about $12.50 on buying the contents separately. Fits pretty close with a lot of the new bundles that actually offer savings- around 15% give or take a few.

Where do you see the price on the bundles?

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Where do you see the price on the bundles?

If you view the photos whilst in an earthquake, it negates the blurry nature.

Guess they saw how popular the Frontline mats were haha

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Guess they saw how popular the Frontline mats were haha

Well, it's not really a mat though. It's another board like the Realm of Battle. I think it looks neat, although I already have one RoB board and don't exactly need a second.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Guess they saw how popular the Frontline mats were haha

And their solution is to release a $400 piece of plastic? Nah. I doubt they even know the Frontline mats exist (no offence to Frontline - those things are great! ).

I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.

There are loads of tutorials and videos out there with guides for making your own 'city of death', very easy for 40k if you just take the route of using ruins, but the sad thing is that so many youngsters coming into wargaming will see the RoB board as the only option, rather than the 'hobby' side of things, of creating something for yourself.

Although maybe with that price-point it is aimed at bank managers and system engineers who have the money, but not the time at the weekend to go to a DIY store and buy a piece of MDF and some glue..

 Pacific wrote:
I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.

There are loads of tutorials and videos out there with guides for making your own 'city of death', very easy for 40k if you just take the route of using ruins, but the sad thing is that so many youngsters coming into wargaming will see the RoB board as the only option, rather than the 'hobby' side of things, of creating something for yourself.

Although maybe with that price-point it is aimed at bank managers and system engineers who have the money, but not the time at the weekend to go to a DIY store and buy a piece of MDF and some glue..

It's a shame too, half the reason I used to bother to go into GW every month for the new releases was to see what amazing new themed promo-table the store staff might have built; the guys at GW Edinburgh pulled off some real crackers, the Mordheim board stood out, as did one featuring a large hill along one edge of the board which had Skaven-filled tunnels carved into the back you could see through a sheet of perspex. Almost every GW store you'd visit would have at least one or two unique tables, these days visiting a GW is like going to a MacDonald's - they all look the same, serve the same stuff, and have the same identikit staff-drones reeling off the same scripted sales patter(and that's a dig at company policy not the staff themselves, before anyone chucks a hissy).

Note that I'm not having a go at the idea of premade terrain, a lot of the plastic terrain GW make is fantastic and I own a fair whack of it, I just think it's a shame they decided to try imposing their "all-GW, all the time" mindset to one of the most creative and fulfilling aspects of wargaming. If they pitched it as "here's premade stuff that would be massively complex to build yourself, or for people who don't have the time/inclination to make their own, look how cool they are when combined with this custom-made table and terrain" it'd be much more appealing than the current setup.

 Pacific wrote:
I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.

Same thing. Two friends of mine put together and 8x6 table (in two halves), textured and painted. I built a ruined city over the next week from regular and double-strength cardboard sheets. It was amazing. Cost next to nothing.

These boards GW keep making are awful. Overpriced useless junk that never changes (those hills are always going to be those hills - they will always be there), and even once you have it you still need to get terrain to put on it, and you're already out $400. The best table surfaces are flat ones, and the you put terrain on them.

I think they are aimed at people who can afford both these and the FW boards so they can mix and match but don't have time to build a range of boards.

Can't stand the boards personally, I think the FW boards make nice display stands but aren't the best to game on as the models never sit properly.

The FW boards don't annoy me as much as they're themed boards for a specific purpose (the crashed Thunderhawk, the bunker, the genetorium or whatever it's called). I'd prefer those things separate without the board (I'd buy a crashed Thunderhawk terrain piece in a heartbeat).

They're still not great.

Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards? They're overpriced for the gak they are, and looking at the numerous youtube tutorials, making a table honestly doesn't seem to require much more than time and patience.

Hell it makes me wonder if there's even a real market in the first place.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards?

Yeah, game stores. It's better than having your employees mucking about making tables. And they only pay trade prices, of course.

That's about it.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards?

A couple of friends of mine have sets each and another one has the SM themed boards.

I pretty sure I know a guy who plays on one, but he is also a huge GW fan. He has been playing since the olden days, and still loves the game.

I have a set, I like them because I have neither the skill nor the time to build my own, or the space to store a whole table.

Yeah,
I have the regular plastic GW ROBB and love it.
I also have the FW hawk and strongpoint boards, They're great too.

I'm sure this board will be fantastic. Expensive sure.
But I expect it will be good solid and dependable.

Panic...

Well all your terrain is good Panic, so you don't count.

Yeah,
Thanxs!

I'm a huge fan of the old ROBB. I think It's actually good Value.
I've had mine for 5 and ahalf years and it's almost as good as new.
the flock has worn out a little, the hard plastic is a you expect still perfect.
^^ seriusly has been used for 5 years...

before I get labeled a GW white knight. I have 3 non GW boards and 4 more ordered!

I have the warsmith cardboard mat and recommend that.
it has visable creases but on the urban mat these are not a problem.
https://www.facebook.com/Warsmithminiatures?fref=ts


http://www.gamesandgears.co.uk/ boards look amazing, I expect they will be on sale soon.
website says £115 so almost half the GW board. and a lot cleaner/clearer.

I have four versions of the G&G boards ordered via kickstarter.

Also available....
Secret weapons boards look nice if a little too bumpy.
I will check these out when they hit retail.

I'd would have a few frontline mats if they would remove the logos.
The look amazing. but I hate the idea that they put their marketing vanity before the gamers.
But if ego Logos on the play surface doesn't bother you, they look like a good option.
http://www.frontlinegaming.org/product-category/gaming-mats/
Price is amazing if you live in the US.. otherwise shipping is killer.


So sure this GW offering is gaudy but I wouldn't expect anything different!
£200 is expensive, but being that I'll probably still be playing on it in 2020 I don't think the price is too bad.
I'll Probably get this, It's Good to have options.

Panic...

I do hope that these urban tiles also come in a nice handy bag.

I have a set of those Warboards. Got 'em from the Kickstarter. They're very nice.

 Panic wrote:

I'd would have a few frontline mats if they would remove the logos.
The look amazing. but I hate the idea that they put their marketing vanity before the gamers.

Spoiler:

But if ego Logos on the play surface doesn't bother you, they look like a good option.
http://www.frontlinegaming.org/product-category/gaming-mats/
Price is amazing if you live in the US.. otherwise shipping is killer.

My brother has one and I had to ask him to show me the logo, as I couldn't find it at a glance. It's very unintrusive.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards?

I soometimes see them given out as tournament prizes.
But, earlier this weeks one of my clubbies posted that he got one off ebay.

yeah,

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It's very unintrusive.

I'd know it was there and it would piss me off, that's not what I want when I spend my money.
If their logo ego is more important than me having a clean gaming surface that is brand free ... feth 'em...

During the kickstarter I did comment that if it's so small and they think we'd not even notice it why bother with it?
Or they could have put it on the back.

They were adamant in their thread that both companies Frontline and TableWar’s logo had to go on the gaming surface where everyone could see it.
Removing it was not an option they were willing to discuss... If you want one it comes covered in logos.
So NO purchase from me.
Because I don't have one I can't/don't recommend it to friends/forum users and any publicity it gets from me comes with a with a negative EgoLineTableGaming spin.

If they'd removed the logo I'd own one, I'd probably be telling people how great it is, Showing you guys it in batreps.
I'd be telling folk where they can get one etc.
I'm not sure how many extra sales that would generate... but I guess some.

Panic...

I'd just make your own- you can make some pretty awesome rural boards with just the stuff you find at your local Home Depot or Lowes. Liquid glass for a purty river, bushes, trees, rocks, etc, all can be easily made. Like I said, you just need time, patience, and a garage.

I have one of the old RoBs. Purchased it recently. I saw videos and stuff about making your own table, after about 3 years of not making my table finally decided to buy this thing. I really don't have the expertise, time and drive to build my own. I would love to though but until then my RoB will be there. I plan to buy this new one in the future because I liked the quality of the RoB and think it's a fair price to pay for it.

I have no problem whatsoever with pre-made terrain or boards. As has been said, they are perfectly serviceable, open to conversion, and are great for people with money but not time. I own a fair amount of it myself.

My problem is that this is presented by GW as the only way of doing it. The White Dwarf mags and terrain building guides that I grew up with as a kid, and inspired the imagination while it gave me something to work with for my own building, no longer exist. The classic I saw most recently was some terrain that had been made from base plates of Leman Russ tanks because basically the person creating the terrain wanted something flat, and I'm guessing the implication was there to buy a few Leman Russ to make this terrain, rather than a piece of plasterboard and knife?!*

*Please note, I'm pretty sure this isn't actually real. But, I may have mentioned it to someone as a joke, and I'm now not entirely sure whether I read it in the magazine or not. Someone please confirm whether I'm joking..

I dunno, it's perhaps improper that I feel a sense of entitlement towards GW's 'duty' in this regard? But, I do know that a lot of younglings coming into the hobby now are faced with massively expensive pre-made terrain and boards, dull in-line photos of the latest miniatures on the cover of WD, absolutely nothing to help fire imagination and creativity beyond what they must buy to experience. These were once the keystones of the GW hobby, and have now been moved aside to make way for the opportunity to push perhaps just a few more sales of pre-made terrain and boards.