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 Captain Blood wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
I will believe in plastic sisters when I hold them in my hands, not a second before.

I assume that excludes the plastic gunner on the immolator?

No legs, doesn't count!

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Another reason, is that GW are really secretive now due to the rise of competitors

So, you mean that if they announce they will release, say, Sisters of Battle later in the year, then Privateer Press will be able to… what exactly?
I know that Privateer Press is going to release Dozer and Smigg, a warbeast that is meant to go along with my warlock, and I am thrilled about it. I will buy it straight when it comes out. If I knew about Sisters coming out at the same time, I would maybe start to save money to buy both. As it stands, if both comes out at the same time, I will probably just buy Dozer and Smigg, and then wait until later to buy the Sisters. Because seriously, unlike PP, GW really does not seem to care about us having a good time in general.


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 Captain Blood wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
I will believe in plastic sisters when I hold them in my hands, not a second before.

I assume that excludes the plastic gunner on the immolator?

I am pretty sure he believes that the plastic gunner of the immolator exists, yes .

Gaz Taylor wrote:
For example, a sculptor is working on some concepts for a new unit for Eldar and brings them along to a show and gets asked about them. This gets all over the internet and becomes "Eldar are out soon" and at the next few shows the sculptor gets moaned at that nothing came out, when all he wanted to do is show off some cool things.

A problem of their own creation. If they weren't that secretive then this wouldn't be an issue. If they actively engaged with their customer base rather than running in the opposite direction at every chance they get then this wouldn't occur.

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Another reason, is that GW are really secretive now due to the rise of competitors (Mantic Games, Privateer Press) and the whole fun and games with Chapterhouse.

Yeah and if you believe that I've got some plastic Sisters to sell you...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Another reason, is that GW are really secretive now due to the rise of competitors

So, you mean that if they announce they will release, say, Sisters of Battle later in the year, then Privateer Press will be able to… what exactly?

Steal ideas? I'm sure there are other reasons but that's the easiest one my simple brain can manage today

I think what GW don't want is for a competitor to see something they are working on and come out with a very similar model but it's cheaper. Privateer Press is probably a bad example in this case but at time of writing was one of the few miniature companies I could think of




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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Gaz Taylor wrote:
For example, a sculptor is working on some concepts for a new unit for Eldar and brings them along to a show and gets asked about them. This gets all over the internet and becomes "Eldar are out soon" and at the next few shows the sculptor gets moaned at that nothing came out, when all he wanted to do is show off some cool things.

A problem of their own creation. If they weren't that secretive then this wouldn't be an issue. If they actively engaged with their customer base rather than running in the opposite direction at every chance they get then this wouldn't occur.

Maybe, but considering at the start of this thread it was mentioned that Sisters were no longer a main army, you can see why they aren't super interested in doing this. Also when you chat with the guys in the studio, you see they are really enthusiastic about working at GW and they do care about what they produce. If I was in their shoes and saw somebody moaning about some unfinished work I was working on, or getting something I was showing off because I was excited for people to see it, I probably wouldn't be happy either.

As noted earlier, GW has mostly only themselves to blame for most of this nowadays...

Sisters have never been a main army except for the brief period in 1997 when they had their own book, a book that was around for a year before 3rd Ed 40k completely invalidated it. The next time Sisters got a look-in that wasn't a WD article (Chapter Approved 2001) was when they got hijacked by the Ordo Hereticus and stuck in the same book with the Inquisition. You probably know the rest of their history from there.

Do you know a really easy way to tell when a rumour probably isn't true? If it's about SoB.

Disappoint reigns.

One day the Battle Sisters will get the love from GW I'm sure, but it is not this day.

D

Gaz - I don't think I've ever heard acknowledgement of a competitor by GW. Think the secrecy thing probably originated with New Line, when those pictures of the Army of the Dead got posted in White Dwarf years ago, and perhaps now to stop 3rd party bits producers get wind of forthcoming releases.

Oh, and the fact that they have disappeared up their own arses in terms of their level of self importance..

It's funny looking at old White Dwarfs though with their sneak peeks and pictures of greens, how much more relaxed things seemed to be back then..

 notprop wrote:
There's been rumours of plastic sisters since before Jes Goodwin confirmed they had been trying and failing at producing them a few years ago - something to do with their hair?

I hope this happens soon then the SoB fans can quieten down and let the Squat fans have their time in the limelight.

Speaking as someone who held the candle for many, many years, are there any still waiting?

Think all of them are either dead or have collected some of the Mantic Forge Fathers.. !

It was long before the Army of the Dead...

It originated with the design of the Uruk-Hai in Fellowship(some stores got their black boxes with the rulebooks early--which had photos of the Uruk-Hai in it), was compounded by Two Towers(again: black boxes with rulebooks early which showcased the Elves at Helm's Deep which is a major deviation from the books and was going to be a big surprise), and then the Army of the Dead and the photos of them swarming off the Umbaran Corsair ships finished it off.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It was long before the Army of the Dead...

It originated with the design of the Uruk-Hai in Fellowship(some stores got their black boxes with the rulebooks early--which had photos of the Uruk-Hai in it), was compounded by Two Towers(again: black boxes with rulebooks early which showcased the Elves at Helm's Deep which is a major deviation from the books and was going to be a big surprise), and then the Army of the Dead and the photos of them swarming off the Umbaran Corsair ships finished it off.

Their secrecy may have started from a reasonable place, but it seems to be a tradition at this point.

And even then, we generaly knew that "someting" was coming. They didn't pretend, for example, that they werne't going to make riders of rohan models.

Is there even a rumor here?

Squats, I was in the seminar and IT WAS DEFIANTLY A JOKE

However

Plastic Sisters, they said (paraphrasing here, bear in mind I've spent nearly 8 hours driving today and got up at stupid o'clock);

With the old release schedule updating Sisters was too bigger job because they had to make a whole army that worked, however as they have a more free rolling release cycle it allows them the freedom to put out odd bits here and there.

It was heavily implied that this is something that is happening.

They also said as all the main factions have up to date core ranges now that opens the door to smaller, more specialist releases.

Anyway, pictures...

Out of all my 40K stuff, I was the saddest when I sold my sisters off. I just didn't have much time to play, and that's a lot of expensive metal to leave just laying around.

Plastic betties will never happen, or at least -- not anytime soon. There are, however, some fantastic new smaller companies popping up -- so I hope someday to recapture some of the glory of the girls, but on a different platform.

Gaz Taylor wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Another reason, is that GW are really secretive now due to the rise of competitors

So, you mean that if they announce they will release, say, Sisters of Battle later in the year, then Privateer Press will be able to… what exactly?

Steal ideas? I'm sure there are other reasons but that's the easiest one my simple brain can manage today

I think what GW don't want is for a competitor to see something they are working on and come out with a very similar model but it's cheaper. Privateer Press is probably a bad example in this case but at time of writing was one of the few miniature companies I could think of




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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Gaz Taylor wrote:
For example, a sculptor is working on some concepts for a new unit for Eldar and brings them along to a show and gets asked about them. This gets all over the internet and becomes "Eldar are out soon" and at the next few shows the sculptor gets moaned at that nothing came out, when all he wanted to do is show off some cool things.

A problem of their own creation. If they weren't that secretive then this wouldn't be an issue. If they actively engaged with their customer base rather than running in the opposite direction at every chance they get then this wouldn't occur.

Maybe, but considering at the start of this thread it was mentioned that Sisters were no longer a main army, you can see why they aren't super interested in doing this. Also when you chat with the guys in the studio, you see they are really enthusiastic about working at GW and they do care about what they produce. If I was in their shoes and saw somebody moaning about some unfinished work I was working on, or getting something I was showing off because I was excited for people to see it, I probably wouldn't be happy either.

Steal ideas? What would PP care about if they new GW was releasing plastic SOB? It makes no sense.

I must be atypical and the kind of customer GW dislikes. Unless there is a completely new unit or model involved, *just* plastic Sisters wouldn't compel me to make a purchase for an army I already own. I have an all metal Grey Knights army, and I never purchased any of the plastic boxed sets when the 5th Edition codex dropped.

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Steal ideas?

Apparently, Privateer Press is not afraid that GW will steal their ideas. And really, Sisters are already out, how would mentioning that they are redoing them allow anyone to steal their ideas.

Gaz Taylor wrote:
Maybe, but considering at the start of this thread it was mentioned that Sisters were no longer a main army, you can see why they aren't super interested in doing this.

What? You are taking the problem from the wrong end. The fact they have decided to neglect an already existing army that has been present for more than 15 years, and demote it out of the main armies, without any notice, is the problem, not the excuse.

So no news, no rumors... Just discussion of plastic sisters. Move to 40k general?

ncshooter426 wrote:
Out of all my 40K stuff, I was the saddest when I sold my sisters off. I just didn't have much time to play, and that's a lot of expensive metal to leave just laying around.

Plastic betties will never happen, or at least -- not anytime soon. There are, however, some fantastic new smaller companies popping up -- so I hope someday to recapture some of the glory of the girls, but on a different platform.

Raging Heroes has something like that in the pipeline, and there's been some nice-looking concept art for the "Sisters of Eternal Mercy" floating around. Though given how their recent KS has been doing on delivery, they may actually be beaten to new Sister models by GW!

 Elemental wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:
Out of all my 40K stuff, I was the saddest when I sold my sisters off. I just didn't have much time to play, and that's a lot of expensive metal to leave just laying around.

Plastic betties will never happen, or at least -- not anytime soon. There are, however, some fantastic new smaller companies popping up -- so I hope someday to recapture some of the glory of the girls, but on a different platform.

Raging Heroes has something like that in the pipeline, and there's been some nice-looking concept art for the "Sisters of Eternal Mercy" floating around. Though given how their recent KS has been doing on delivery, they may actually be beaten to new Sister models by GW!

Yeah! I got excited when I saw the concept art for SoEM. After how long it has been since their kickstarter was being hyped and when it was finally launched, I think GW would probably have done Sisters and some other army. Oh well, I shouldn't be complaining since I still have a lot to paint.

Hmm. While I'll remain unsure about this for the moment, it seems to tie in with the larger account that was posted on faiet. Specifically, about the Sisters being hinted to get some sort of supplement-type release.

But anyway, as ever, it's nice to hear that GW are thinking about the Sisters.

 pretre wrote:
Is there even a rumor here?

Yes.

"At a seminar, GW hinted that the Sisters will get a small release".

I have been a Sisters player since the start, back in 2nd edition.

I know I, for one, would be more than happy if GW would just release a multi-part plastic kit that simply mimicked the current poses of the metal Sisters, just in modern-quality detail and for a cheaper "plastics" price. Who cares if they are mono-pose?. You could have "sets" of arms meant to go on upper bodies that are firing from the hip in a couple of slightly different poses, and ones firing one-handed. Then make all the variety of the models in different leg poses- standing, walking, etc- and different heads, both helmed and bare. Make options for Sister Superiors be in extras, like capes under the backpack, and arms holding CC weapons, bolt pistols and plasma pistols.

That would be totally good enough for me, and well within GW's capabilities if they truly cared. Just because the robes would drop the posing possibilities lower than what Space marines have doesn't mean it wouldn't be awesome.

I'm just worried that if they re-do them, they will up the ante on the S&M looks.

Please treat this as a rumour, but I may have some info on this.

My info goes like this. As of next year around July 2015 GW will hand over Sisters of Battle to Forge World and they'll be a full multi part resin kit.

However, this is only for a short as if what I am hearing is true, you see if the info is correct, GW is introducing a new Faction into 40,000 and it will be called "Children of Chaos"
this new "Chaos" faction will be basically Space Beastmen. However bringing in a new faction means the culling of an established faction and according to what I have been told there is no place for plastic SoB.

This ties in well, as Forge World will bring out a rehash GW Codex for SoB but under "Forge World" title, but they can only be fielded as an auxiliary force and not a stand alone army. As I have said this will be a short time and by the 1st Qtr of 2016
Forge World will withdraw SoB from the range, this has been done this way so that GW and Citadel Miniatures can wash their hands of SoB and the squatting of SoB will be Forge Worlds fault.

I hope this is wrong, but I have had it told to me more than once and one of those is a former games developer of GW that shall never be named.

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Please treat this as a rumour, but I may have some info on this.

My info goes like this. As of next year around July 2015 GW will hand over Sisters of Battle to Forge World and they'll be a full multi part resin kit.

However, this is only for a short as if what I am hearing is true, you see if the info is correct, GW is introducing a new Faction into 40,000 and it will be called "Children of Chaos"
this new "Chaos" faction will be basically Space Beastmen. However bringing in a new faction means the culling of an established faction and according to what I have been told there is no place for plastic SoB.

This ties in well, as Forge World will bring out a rehash GW Codex for SoB but under "Forge World" title, but they can only be fielded as an auxiliary force and not a stand alone army. As I have said this will be a short time and by the 1st Qtr of 2016
Forge World will withdraw SoB from the range, this has been done this way so that GW and Citadel Miniatures can wash their hands of SoB and the squatting of SoB will be Forge Worlds fault.

I hope this is wrong, but I have had it told to me more than once and one of those is a former games developer of GW that shall never be named.

Yeah OK, seems legit.

Add him to the rumour round-up Pretre.

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Please treat this as a rumour, but I may have some info on this.

My info goes like this. As of next year around July 2015 GW will hand over Sisters of Battle to Forge World and they'll be a full multi part resin kit.

However, this is only for a short as if what I am hearing is true, you see if the info is correct, GW is introducing a new Faction into 40,000 and it will be called "Children of Chaos"
this new "Chaos" faction will be basically Space Beastmen. However bringing in a new faction means the culling of an established faction and according to what I have been told there is no place for plastic SoB.

This ties in well, as Forge World will bring out a rehash GW Codex for SoB but under "Forge World" title, but they can only be fielded as an auxiliary force and not a stand alone army. As I have said this will be a short time and by the 1st Qtr of 2016
Forge World will withdraw SoB from the range, this has been done this way so that GW and Citadel Miniatures can wash their hands of SoB and the squatting of SoB will be Forge Worlds fault.

I hope this is wrong, but I have had it told to me more than once and one of those is a former games developer of GW that shall never be named.

Where can I buy a salt mine ?

As I said I hope I am wrong in this and GW does eventually brings out a fully supported plastic SoB range, i'd be one to spend money on it, but what I have been told is that as up until now no-one in the Games Development Team has been commissioned to begin working on the SoB range.

Meaning that if correct, once they get the go ahead to begin "Project X" it'll still be at least two years minimum before the new SoB range comes out, so that'll be mid 2016 at the very earliest.




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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Please treat this as a rumour, but I may have some info on this.

My info goes like this. As of next year around July 2015 GW will hand over Sisters of Battle to Forge World and they'll be a full multi part resin kit.

However, this is only for a short as if what I am hearing is true, you see if the info is correct, GW is introducing a new Faction into 40,000 and it will be called "Children of Chaos"
this new "Chaos" faction will be basically Space Beastmen. However bringing in a new faction means the culling of an established faction and according to what I have been told there is no place for plastic SoB.

This ties in well, as Forge World will bring out a rehash GW Codex for SoB but under "Forge World" title, but they can only be fielded as an auxiliary force and not a stand alone army. As I have said this will be a short time and by the 1st Qtr of 2016
Forge World will withdraw SoB from the range, this has been done this way so that GW and Citadel Miniatures can wash their hands of SoB and the squatting of SoB will be Forge Worlds fault.

I hope this is wrong, but I have had it told to me more than once and one of those is a former games developer of GW that shall never be named.

Where can I buy a salt mine ?

It seems you have info of when a fully supported new codex and a multi part plastic kits to build the entire Sisters of Battle range, so please share this news and put us all out of our misery.

Not enough salt in the world. I'll add him tomorrow morning.

I'll...*pretend* to understand GW has limitations with the Sisters of Battle range that has delayed their work. But there is no way in hell I can rationalize them pulling an even *MORE* obscure piece of old 40k (aka the beastmen) and making a whole faction out of them, while a much more fleshed out faction is left out to rot. It just doesn't make any sense.

Besides, commentary from the last GW interview seems to talk about the staff laughing at the idea of Squats (as has been their history). I can't see how 40k beastmen would be any less in the vibe of Rogue Trader, like squats...

Truth be told, I think H.B.M.C nailed it earlier. If they did for the Sisters what they did with the Grey Knights and just produced one all encompassing kit then there's little way they could go wrong.

 Snrub wrote:
Truth be told, I think H.B.M.C nailed it earlier. If they did for the Sisters what they did with the Grey Knights and just produced one all encompassing kit then there's little way they could go wrong.

As much as I agree with him, this has been suggested since the GK box came out.

 Accolade wrote:
I'll...*pretend* to understand GW has limitations with the Sisters of Battle range that has delayed their work. But there is no way in hell I can rationalize them pulling an even *MORE* obscure piece of old 40k (aka the beastmen) and making a whole faction out of them, while a much more fleshed out faction is left out to rot. It just doesn't make any sense.

Besides, commentary from the last GW interview seems to talk about the staff laughing at the idea of Squats (as has been their history). I can't see how 40k beastmen would be any less in the vibe of Rogue Trader, like squats...

I have no trouble believing that they could come up with enough model concepts for a Beastman faction, they do, of course, already exist as a stand alone fantasy faction alongside Daemons and WoC.

Fluff takes care of itself, they can just crap out any old gak, cherry picking some of the stuff from old RT/2nd Ed and adding a little bit of new stuff.

My overwhelming "just....no" skepticism aside, the real issue remains what it always is when someone starts a new "what faction would you add?" every other week in 40K Discussions which is that there really isn't a sufficiently different playstyle out there that isn't already taken care of.

Now, in the brave new world of 7th, where force orgs are more fluid, it might be that the traditional codex may become a thing of the past, and they may become a book that contains a selection of related units for you to pick and choose from, but I just don't see a cohesive, playable army at this point.