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 manrogue wrote:


Anyone have any idea where the May for HH started from? Only BoLS said May from what i remember but everyone seems to have latched onto it for some reason....

IIRC, someone mentioned here or on Warseer in another thread that a friend who managed a GW had a "red date" in May, which meant they had to staff the store that day, presumably for a big release. I think it was in a 9th edition rumor thread, but I haven't found it.

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2015/03/rumors-horus-heresy-stand-alone-kits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBitsFeed+%28Spikey+Bits+Original%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I'll just pop that there

 Januine wrote:
http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2015/03/rumors-horus-heresy-stand-alone-kits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBitsFeed+%28Spikey+Bits+Original%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I'll just pop that there

At least quote it;

BOLS:
Plastic Heresy Standalone Kits (Age of Darkness) Details

Marine Squad Kit: 10 marines, Mk II-IV variants, bits for sergeant, communications, and banner bearer. Bolters or bolt pistol/chainsword for all. Combi weapon bits for sergeant. Pistols for sergeant include Grav, plasma, flame, and volkite. Power sword or fist for sergeant. Marine bits are compatible with current 40k bits. £35

Cataphractii Terminator Squad Kit: 5 Models. Bits for sergeant including grenade harness, power sword, combi weapon bits, volkite weapon. Marine bits include combibolters, chainfists, power fists, heavy Flamer, auto cannon, plasma blaster, lightning claws, and thunder hammer. (no storm shields) shoulders are 2 part to accept FW legion shoulders. £40

Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought Kit: Heavy heavy bolter, 2 fists with weapon variants (Bolter, plasma, flame, Melta) (no claw fingers), las cannon, and multimelta. Arms are universal, and compatible with FW upgrade bits. Includes legion decal sheet. £40

Deimos Pattern Rhino (or Predator) Kit: Includes dozer blade, Smoke launchers, HK, TL Bolter, heavy Bolter, havok launcher, flamer. Will be compatible with FW upgrade kits for predator, whirlwind, razorback. £30




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As with most BOLS stuff... Flip a coin, it's more accurate.

Super salty salt for this one.

Just to get all the Lords of War Gaming stuff into one post:
From Facebook:

Lords of Wargaming wrote:All these rumor sites said Sisters of Battle in May and now it's Horus Heresy plastics. I wonder what they will say next?

You will see a new Space Marine codex before you see Horus Heresy plastics.

gak, you will see a Tau codex before you see plastic Horus Heresy.

Rene Ferrer: So you're saying there won't be plastic Horus Heresy miniatures at all?

Lords of War: Gaming There will be....

Rene Ferrer: Just not this year, I take it?

Lords of War Gaming: They will be this year and next.

Rene Ferrer: Whoa, so we're looking at Space Marines, Dark Angels, AND Tau along with some plastic Horus Heresy this year?

Lords of War Gaming: DA I don't know about. Could see Eldar..

My guess based on this? DA are totally getting folded into c:sm. That's sad.


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Has the da codex been lapped by c:sm before?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Super salty salt for this one.

Vela must have stock in a salt mine.

Seems i need to take some

 pretre wrote:
Has the da codex been lapped by c:sm before?

5th Edition C:SM got an update but DA didn't.

 pretre wrote:
My guess based on this? DA are totally getting folded into c:sm. That's sad.

As a Dark Angels player, my only response to this is GOOD. This would be the best thing to happen to Dark Angels since getting their own releases to begin with.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Has the da codex been lapped by c:sm before?

5th Edition C:SM got an update but DA didn't.

I retract my previous guess then.

 SRSFACE wrote:

 pretre wrote:
My guess based on this? DA are totally getting folded into c:sm. That's sad.

As a Dark Angels player, my only response to this is GOOD. This would be the best thing to happen to Dark Angels since getting their own releases to begin with.

I'll be honest, I'd be kind of okay at this point with the Marines going to a single collection (3 books maybe, 1 for rules, 1 for fluff, 1 for models/art?). Sure it'd be like $100 for a hard cover book, but that'd be cheaper than buying 5 seperate books.

 SRSFACE wrote:

 pretre wrote:
My guess based on this? DA are totally getting folded into c:sm. That's sad.

As a Dark Angels player, my only response to this is GOOD. This would be the best thing to happen to Dark Angels since getting their own releases to begin with.

I think that there are too many unique units and rules to fold them into the C:SM book and it would be like trying to get the BA or SW to fit into the C:SM book. It would be easier to add some stuff from the C:SM book into the DA book than the other way around.

no way they put the DA with the regular SM codex. Way too many different units.

I'm pretty sure that they will relaese a tactical DA box with the next iteration of the codex.

pretre wrote:

BOLS:
Plastic Heresy Standalone Kits (Age of Darkness) Details

Marine Squad Kit: 10 marines, Mk II-IV variants, bits for sergeant, communications, and banner bearer. Bolters or bolt pistol/chainsword for all. Combi weapon bits for sergeant. Pistols for sergeant include Grav, plasma, flame, and volkite. Power sword or fist for sergeant. Marine bits are compatible with current 40k bits. £35

Fits with what I heard. The Tac box is actually a Veteran Tactical Squad rather than a normal tac squad, so will contain a fair few bits and pieces which are more ornate than usual. Lots of different pieces from different marks, mostly Mk4 bit a few other bits from other marks hrown in. There's a clampack Delagatus coming too, but I'm not sure if he's going to be exclusive to the box set. Cataphracti are defo on their way, I'm not entirely sure the FW pads are compatible though, I heard they wouldn't be hence why Forge World stop releasing new designs for different legions. I haven't heard anything about the other two lots but that doesn't mean they aren't coming, besides the Contemptor has Hasting's backing so I'd say that's a safe bet.

streetsamurai wrote:no way they put the DA with the regular SM codex. Way too many different units.

I'm pretty sure that they will relaese a tactical DA box with the next iteration of the codex.

Clever boy.

 pretre wrote:

 Januine wrote:
http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2015/03/rumors-horus-heresy-stand-alone-kits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBitsFeed+%28Spikey+Bits+Original%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I'll just pop that there

At least quote it;

BOLS:
Plastic Heresy Standalone Kits (Age of Darkness) Details

Marine Squad Kit: 10 marines, Mk II-IV variants, bits for sergeant, communications, and banner bearer. Bolters or bolt pistol/chainsword for all. Combi weapon bits for sergeant. Pistols for sergeant include Grav, plasma, flame, and volkite. Power sword or fist for sergeant. Marine bits are compatible with current 40k bits. £35

Cataphractii Terminator Squad Kit: 5 Models. Bits for sergeant including grenade harness, power sword, combi weapon bits, volkite weapon. Marine bits include combibolters, chainfists, power fists, heavy Flamer, auto cannon, plasma blaster, lightning claws, and thunder hammer. (no storm shields) shoulders are 2 part to accept FW legion shoulders. £40

Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought Kit: Heavy heavy bolter, 2 fists with weapon variants (Bolter, plasma, flame, Melta) (no claw fingers), las cannon, and multimelta. Arms are universal, and compatible with FW upgrade bits. Includes legion decal sheet. £40

Deimos Pattern Rhino (or Predator) Kit: Includes dozer blade, Smoke launchers, HK, TL Bolter, heavy Bolter, havok launcher, flamer. Will be compatible with FW upgrade kits for predator, whirlwind, razorback. £30




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As with most BOLS stuff... Flip a coin, it's more accurate.

That's more than the base kits from FW, but less than the FW kits after you add in things like arms, so seems about right.

Lords of War Gaming
DA I don't know about. Could see Eldar..
1 hr

... Got to remove that Harlequin entry from the codex I guess right ?

Rebox/reprice some stuff, character or two in plastic, neuter the wave serpent, move the Finecast Phoenix and Eldrad to LOW slots, job done.

 reds8n wrote:

Lords of War Gaming
DA I don't know about. Could see Eldar..
1 hr

... Got to remove that Harlequin entry from the codex I guess right ?

Rebox/reprice some stuff, character or two in plastic, neuter the wave serpent, move the Finecast Phoenix and Eldrad to LOW slots, job done.

Funny enough, a few hints have been out there for some time...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/638180.page

.. huh. go figure.


Guess they'd get a formation or two as well -- Court of the Young King or somesuch and so on.


.. Anyway, let's leave this thread on the HH stuff.

Huh, I'd be disappointed if the plastic HH marine stuff was a mix of different armour patterns in a squad. I want a uniform look damnit!

 reds8n wrote:
... Got to remove that Harlequin entry from the codex I guess right ?

Rebox/reprice some stuff, character or two in plastic, neuter the wave serpent, move the Finecast Phoenix and Eldrad to LOW slots, job done.

And replace all the artwork and most of the fluff with big glossy photos.

Diet Codex.

 BrookM wrote:
Huh, I'd be disappointed if the plastic HH marine stuff was a mix of different armour patterns in a squad. I want a uniform look damnit!

That's what forge world is for...

Assuming for a moment that price list is true:

Cataphractii: £40- Deathwing were £35 for a set of 5, and had similar weapon setup (CC or Shooty, multiple specials), so I can see them adding a £5 'Heresy Tax' (on top of the 'Marine Tax') so it isn't too outrageous. Still cheaper than FW, and with more options, so I guess it's about in-line.

Contemptor: Last Dread was £31, this one is a fair bit bigger (call it +£4). Add HH tax (£5) and again, it's not too insane.

Tacticals: £40 "Hey, guys, lets make the HH range afforabable and open the door to new players who will then give us great margins on FW stuff!"

"Yeah, great idea. Any you know what? Let's make this 'gateway kit' the single most expensive basic infantry kit we've ever made!"



Yes, it's still half the price of the same from FW, but unless these are the most amazing kits ever released, I don't see what makes these worth almost twice as much as regular Tacticals (especially when a similarly purely-cosmetic alternative, the BA Tac squad, is only a pound more. I could see them at £30 with HH tax, but surely not more than that?)

What presumably makes them worth it is the same thing that makes people shell out 60 quid for a FW HH squad.

They're HH.

To be slightly charitable to GW's for a sec, Tac Squads in the HH are much larger, so they could be 20 man boxes...

 Azreal13 wrote:
To be slightly charitable to GW's for a sec, Tac Squads in the HH are much larger, so they could be 20 man boxes...

Ha!

No.


I expected 5 man boxes, but I don't think £40 for 5 PA models is realistic. But then, I think 5 man is more likely than £40 a box.

 Ashiraya wrote:


I expected 5 man boxes, but I don't think £40 for 5 PA models is realistic. But then, I think 5 man is more likely than £40 a box.

15 different torsos (not compatible with 40K marines). 28 different helms. 34 unique, different bolters and enough special weapons to equip a company. Sculpted shoulder pads for all Legions, except the one you want to do. 1 pair of legs. 1 round base.

Nope, I'm sticking with a 20 man box for £40 as plausible.

This is making the assumption that the reports the HH game is intended as a gateway product at face value.

If it's simply a typically clumsy way for GW to try and gouge more cash out of customers because they see the products that are selling, but have no idea why? Then sure, 10 man box with a bunch of redundant pieces is a much higher probability.

Well, 20 MEQ-sized minis with options in a box for £40 is plasusible. Dreamforge Valkir Heavy Troopers are in that sort of area, and probably reasonably so given the purported quality.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/dreamforge-miniatures/21630-eisenkern-valkir-heavy-troopers


HOWEVER this is GW we're talking about, so take the base cost of a 10-man box for anyone else (about £20), add a SM tax (£5), a HH Tax (£5) and there's no way in hell GW are doing 20 for £40, unless they are snap-fit/no options (which is what the one rumour said, I believe)

That list *really* looks like the typical "educated-guess-too-far-out-in-front-of-when-the-good-information-will-flow" rumoring from the clickbait sites.

Stuff that makes me curious is the inclusion of a Rhino. The rumormongers with good track records are pointing to the first round of stuff being in a board game. Wouldn't that suggest an infantry focus?

And even if this is something to come later, wouldn't you think the focus would be on kits with more cro$$-$elling potential...in other words, stuff you'll want to field with your 40K SM also? Contemptors fit. Stuff like Spartans and Sicarans do too. Another Rhino kit is certainly possible, but doesn't it seem to lack some juice?

Hope its true, I'd like some cheap mk3 armour :-)