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Hey everyone,

Thought I'd start a thread for my new project because i got great feedback on my last one and this keeps me honest!

So the idea here is that id like to get away from Chaos because I'm always playing or modeling them and id like to do something fresh. With my Beasts army not being viable in 8th the way i played them I've lost interest. Ogres seem cool with a lot of visual potential and with the new book hopefully they'll get some love and i can get in on the ground floor. Since i plan to make all my models new releases aren't really a concern either.

TLDR - Here's the WIP for my first Bull. He's made form a normal bull model clipped and pinned more dynamically with first detail layer green stuff on him.:



The theme I'm going for has kind of evolved from wanting to do a WoC Army with no god devotion and model them like savage yet noble northmen with wolf themes and ties to the mystic. Something of a cross between Vikings and the Native Americans. The WoC list though didn't jump at me since its so similar to what I've done already so i thought it could translate phenomenally to Ogres! I'd get a smaller amount of larger models to dink around with so i could add loads of character to each and the list and style is somewhat out of my comfort zone so i could get better.

You'll notice that I'm modeling them fitter than Ogres which to me will allow for some more opportunities in terms of motion and positioning. In the fluff in my head actually, I'm not even sure i want to call them ogres. I'd like to paint them a pale blue skin tone with darker blue warpaint.

Anyways, i have so many ideas for this project I'm really excited so I'll get back to work and see what you good people think!

Sidenote:
I have more WIP shots of this guy in my gallery, and presently I've trimmed his kilt thing and added fur lining to his boots. I'll upload when more gets done on him.

I will be following this with interest.

Updated:

I de-ogred his head (lumps, fat lines, and scraggly facial hair) to give him a Norse look. I'm not done, i intend to give him a head of hair and need to fill the beard in a bit too. The clothes are trimmed and tattered with the base of a belt started that i plan on detailing today too. I plan on filling the gaps between the cloth and his body with tufts of fur for lining which will make the groin piece look better too i imagine.

Im struggling to keep this guy simple as he's going to just be a bull but i found to Space Wolf accessory sprues to that didn't help...

Mock-up with arms and head tacked in place roughly:



One for size:



Aaaand a crap quality pic of the back:

FearPeteySodes wrote:Updated:

I de-ogred his head (lumps, fat lines, and scraggly facial hair) to give him a Norse look. I'm not done, i intend to give him a head of hair and need to fill the beard in a bit too. The clothes are trimmed and tattered with the base of a belt started that i plan on detailing today too. I plan on filling the gaps between the cloth and his body with tufts of fur for lining which will make the groin piece look better too i imagine.

Im struggling to keep this guy simple as he's going to just be a bull but i found to Space Wolf accessory sprues to that didn't help...

Mock-up with arms and head tacked in place roughly:

This guy is awesome! I think you did a good job of "de-ogreing" him; I don't think anyone will say "Hey, look! Blue ogres!"

Looking foreward to seeing more progress! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Rawson

oooh!
Ogres! not often you find a ogre player, I too will be watching with interest

Rawson wrote:This guy is awesome! I think you did a good job of "de-ogreing" him; I don't think anyone will say "Hey, look! Blue ogres!"

Looking foreward to seeing more progress! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Rawson

Heh, thanks! I'm not trying to actively distance myself from the OK lore or anything though so it wouldn't bother me really. In my head the fluff i have for them would be that they are from Varg in the Norsca. So who's to say they aren't an old old Ogre tribe that wandered far off and settled outside the influence of the Great Maw.

That makes it more interesting IMO.

How many points of ogres are you planning to make?

Ralin Givens wrote:How many points of ogres are you planning to make?

I'm trying not to think of it like that because in the past I've rushed to get something i can put on the table and inevitably i get overwhelmed. I'd like though if i could get enough to take to a tournament as its always been a goal of mine to get a best appearance or army award. Given that, I'd say roughly 2500 points seems reasonable, but i also haven't played since 7th and with the new book incoming i could be way off.

I just wanted to know what to look forward to as I watch the blog

Ralin Givens wrote:I just wanted to know what to look forward to as I watch the blog

Well so far planned:

Ogre bulls = what you see above
Ironguts = Heavily armed/armored versions of the above

Gnoblars = Converted Dwarves (Tomte)
Gnoblar trappers = wolves

Gorgers = Great wolves
Yhetee = Possibly frost wolves or a more etherial looking wolf

Butchers = Runecaster shaman aesthetic

Rhinox riders = Either great wolves or bear cavalry, i haven't decided.

Just a taste!

Quick update:





Detailed around the edge of the clothing and attached the head. I don't want to muscle the neck together though without the arms in place. The problem with that is im not sure what i want to do with the off-hand. Without knowing if ironfists are going to make it in the new book, im thinking it best to just do whatever i want and explain it later. I don't want to use the ironfist models as they look too brutal.

If anyone has any interesting ideas id be open to it. So far my ideas are:

Shield that looks convincing enough to double as a weapon
Some sort of gauntlet
Painting or figuring out how to cast a clear ice hand would be cool

Where is his paunch and Gutplate? I believe it is confirmed that ogres (except butchers) have a 6+ save from the gutplate.

Looks good though keep it up.

A Black Ram wrote:Where is his paunch and Gutplate? I believe it is confirmed that ogres (except butchers) have a 6+ save from the gutplate.

Looks good though keep it up.

Well the heavy theme im doing is that they are not ogres strictly speaking. I think since the 6+ save is across the board i would be able to explain it as a rule and call it "hardiness" or something. I don't see this being a problem really.

COOL! Really nice sculpting all around. I'm pretty excited about the theme and amount of converting that is planned. In that vain, I vote for the bear cav. counts as rhinox. Also, have you given any thought to using some dire wolves (perhaps GS over the rotting flesh) for the gorgers. Then you could use the great wolves as the yhetees.

As for the first frost giant, the details so far are looking very good. You obviously have a lot of talent with the GS. Have you thought about just scultping some armour onto a "bare" hand, or a reverse grip knife?

The one thing that's urking me about the model is he looks like he's tip toeing around. If there was more motion in his skirt it might help... it may be due to a lack of arms in the last pic, too.

I'm looking forward to moar!

The Good Green wrote:COOL! Really nice sculpting all around. I'm pretty excited about the theme and amount of converting that is planned. In that vain, I vote for the bear cav. counts as rhinox. Also, have you given any thought to using some dire wolves (perhaps GS over the rotting flesh) for the gorgers. Then you could use the great wolves as the yhetees.

As for the first frost giant, the details so far are looking very good. You obviously have a lot of talent with the GS. Have you thought about just scultping some armour onto a "bare" hand, or a reverse grip knife?

The one thing that's urking me about the model is he looks like he's tip toeing around. If there was more motion in his skirt it might help... it may be due to a lack of arms in the last pic, too.

I'm looking forward to moar!

Thanks for the awesome feedback! The Wolf Gorgers were actually one of the first ideas i had aside from the frost giants, and i have a spare Juggernaut ready to be ground down and greened out but one thing at a time. I want them to be absolutely beastly. One thing at a time though!

For the fist i like the knife idea, i could make a simple seax held like you say and even loop a shield around his bad to cover my bases. Im not sure about simply putting the armor on his fist, not sure it fits the tribal aesthetic, plus he's look odd should they choose to cut ironfists.

I totally agree that from those pics his weight looks shoddy but i think its a bit better in person. I plan to get those arms on to see how he's balanced then add some do-dads to show more motion. I also need to fill out his beard and add hair which should do the trick too.

Again thanks, i love hearing this stuff!

Arms on, back/shoulder/neck sculpting begins at lunch today. Hopefully this shot clears up any tiptoeing issues.



From the front, wouldn't want to receive that charge, weapons or no...



Speaking of weapons:



The sword itself is larger than most models so i doubt ill have trouble convincing anyone it adheres to the rumored choppa style Ogre clubs. Still need to model the crossguard but i wont be attaching the weapons until all bodywork is done so im not in a hurry to do so.

As always CC encouraged!

Thats great you've done a brilliant job of making hi look like a muscular ogre rather than an obese idiot. Far more intimidating. I'm really impressed by the quality of your sculpting.

I'm impressed by the sculpting quality, and the fact that you're using my current fantasy army as the base for the rules


I'll be keepin an eye on your progress and definitely look forward to seeing more.

Great job man, always wondered how much more intimidating ogres would be if they were ripped rather than fat....definitely more intimidating haha

Hello!

Thanks for all the feedback so far, good to know people don't hate the idea!

Well i had a productive weekend, got a lot done on this guy:

Back
Arms
Touched up the fur line on belt
Hair!







Still needs work on the beard and I would like to clean up his offhand a bit, but other than that i may call this guy done. I have spent a week on a single bull after all...

So with this guy being more or less my prototype I'm hoping i can go about these more efficiently without sacrificing the quality because I'm happy with this guy overall. I ended up doing a lot of redundant sculpting because i just wasn't sure how he was going to pan out, like sculpting his full legs that are now covered by his dress. I think with how i modeled this guy though it leave a lot of room for flavor in the remaining units though. Their beards, hair, weapons, builds even can all be unique. I'm also proud of myself that i restrained myself in the armor department so modeling Irongut equivalents shouldn't be a struggle.

So i intend to finish his beard and any other touch ups today. I plan to paint him before modeling another one but I'm on the fence on whether or not i should attempt a frost dwarf "gnoblar" so i can simultaneously test colors.

Let me know what you think!


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Beard!



Aaand im going to call it. Base and prime coming up!

I'm running out of positive adjectives while commenting on the various modeling blogs here anyway, so I'll use a classic:

Amazing. I am in awe of your greenstuff skils. You took the rather ridicoulus looking plastic Ogre and turned him into a menacing looking giant. It really has a giant-y feel to it, probably because you got rid of the Ogre proportions.

Can't wait to see how it'll look painted!

Holy heck! That's some mighty gs-fu! More please! Sorry, exclamation mark overload.

I love what you've done with the ogre. I would continue to get a unit or so of these converted from a practicality standpoint. Not to dissuade you but in 8th you have to have 25% core units so that means usually 2 big units of either bulls or ironguts with some gnoblars thrown in. If you take a look at the rumors section, you'll see some large monsters that you can fill in the rest of your army's points with. Also, make use of filler unit markers. Make a tree on a base as a counts as ogre. I want you to finish this army, but it is going to take some dedication to get to a workable 700pts of core if you greenstuff 75% of your model.

He looks great. I'm always reluctant to paint, but if you do paint before modeling the dwarf, make note of the colors you used. I always forget some of them.

The wrist armour I was talking about is really just thick leather, like this:

I love the braids and the details on the sword (tho few) feel very "authentic" for him. I am looking forward seeing more.

@Rama - Thanks man good to hear from you! I was on a hobby hiatus for a while with work being crazy and buying a house bla blah blah. But now i have a respectable workshop room and the good fight can continue!

@inmygravenimage - Thanks a lot, hopefully i wont disappoint!

@buckero0 - I was actually list crunching last night and as a base doing 9 Bulls and 9 Ironguts i think is a reasonable start for the army. Its about 1k points so i figure that decent for the time being. Plus yes i love those new monsters, i was especially keen on how convertible those cat cav models are to look lupine to stay in theme. As long as i dont get greedy with

@The Good Green - Yea i figured as much that that was what you had meant. I really like how the parrying dagger idea turned out for him though! I hope they keep ironfist in the new book if nothing else for how vague the description is allowing me to have a rather diverse looking equipment set. I'll for sure get some more armor on the IG's!

Figured painting would be inificiaent doing just one so i fugure i may make the box worth before i break out the paints.

So without further delay i started my bellower. Here's some pics of the surgery of him going chubby to champion:

OH THE PAIN



AARGH MAKE IT STOP



Bam instant weight loss!



So I'm pissed because i framed it all up and realized i swapped the feet. It works out but i don't like the similarity to the first guys lower half. I'm going to give this guy pants to offset this, should also be a bit quicker of a sculpt.

I'll model the torso and lower half tonight and see where it takes us but I'm going for this:



Wicked intimidating with wolf-like imagery. Hopeing it turns out well!

Yes yes yes! awesome work man! Can't wait to see more!

That's incredible work mate! Woof!

Indeed!

Definitely subbed to this one, GS work is blooming masterful.

Oooooo yes! Please continue.

And the similar pose probably show up so much when they're standing in a unit. Especially since you're doing something completly different with the upper body.

Do you have any plans what models you're going to use in this army apart from the regular GW Ogres? Should we help looking?