Warhammer Fantasy Rumours (incl. release schedules): Dwarf and WE release list rumour 15th November

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**EagleArk**

Brets were 2004 wernt they?....

**Aerethan**

EagleArk wrote:
Brets were 2004 wernt they?....

2003.

**RandyMcStab**

Wiki has it as 2004 but what does that know...WE in '05.

**Kroothawk**

Stickmonkey on BOLS wrote:Wood Elves have a massive update coming. And they will be fine in the current and next edition with it.
I expect them late spring 2014.

Some of what Ive heard is:
Still a major guerrilla tactics army. Skirmishers are still prevalent.

New giant Treekin dual unit.

New Stag Monstrous Cavalry unit.

Best archers in the game.

Dryads having abilities to manipulate enemy unit structure.

New mpp wild rider kit

New mpp wardancer/waywatcher kit

Wardancers causing rank bonus to work against enemy.

New hawkriders kit.

WE wizards (spellsingers) have spells that manipulate environment, including making a new grove of trees and one causing an enemy unit to enter combat with the ground/terrain

WE have significant benefits within woods both stationary and moving.

Tree units able to start hidden in wooded terrain.

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I thought I had heard of one more dual kit with eternal guard, but I cant find it in my notes, so maybe not.

This info is fairly old, like from last fall, so there is that.

Cheers

Also seems this one on Dark Elves from 22nd June hasn't been posted yet:

Zeipherer over at Warseer wrote:-New Book October 2013
-Executioner and Black Guard share same kit, with black guards having alternate caped back piece, head, and halberd.
The weapons are almost interchangeable without any work done no matter what torso you use for the body yes even if 2 handed.
-Cauldron of Blood. It is a hybrid kit with old witch Elf element for 1 build. While the new variation is like Empire War Altar.
It has a special aura similar to EOTG called ??? blades that is like a whirl wind of magic blades that damage surrounding enemies emitted by khain's hatred.

As a reminder:

eldargal in 2011 wrote:I've heard from two sources within GW that they have seen work in progress CAD thingamies for Dark Elf plastics, of which Witch Elves were named specifically. Another kit was mentioned as being Black Guard or Executioners. There was also another plastic kit he didn't recognise and some plastic characters. I'm embarassed to admit I can't find the original email to check exactly what he said. I think there may have been some large plastic critter as well.

I've had this corroborated by another rumourmonger (Hastings) who said it fits in with what he heard of Dark Elves coming in 2013 and CAD images meaning they are usually 18-24 months or so away from production.

As always, until pictures are leaked or GW sends out an email treat it as rumour not fact.

eldargal in 2012 wrote:Oki-slash-doki, I have more Dark Elf rumours, from the same source as the first lot and also corroborated with a reliable rumourmonger (Hastings):
The rumours:
-plastic monster, possibly a hydra, not certain its for DE specifically which isn't a problem with SoM scrolls of binding
-plastic mounted character, possibly female
-dual kit chariot (this was mentioned by others already)
-plastic bolt thrower

Witch Elves, Black Guard and Executioners also all with extra coroboration. Late 2013 still the most likely slot for release.

Speculation and commentary:
A plastic hydra would be nice, the way GW are doing plastic kits it could really be big and dynamic. But they just Finecasterisated the old hydra (and the bolt thrower) so I felt this seemed a little odd. If the plastic Karl Franz/Griffon rider kit pans out it would be interesting to see if that impacts this rumour, a possible Morathi/Hellebron/generic hero kit? Just speculation. The dual chariot kit has been wishlisted/rumoured before, so nothing too new with that.

For the record I consider myself a rumour dissemination facilitator, not a rumourmonger.

As usual, don't believe it until GW announces it.

**ExNoctemNacimur**

I like the sound of Wood Elves! They sound sick!

**Aerethan**

I thought DE weren't due until early next year. I guess I'll sit on my money until I get the book and can work out a new list.

**silent25**

Some new rumors from Faeit 212.
via Tim the Thief on Faeit 212
New Rumors for the 9th Edition of Warhammer Fantasy

Release
-All Softcover Armybooks will obsolet with the new release.
-The Starter Box will released at the same time as the Hardback Rulebook
-The Set will include a Book called "Armies of Warhammer", this Book will handle simplified Armylists for ALL avaitable Armies.
-Armies of Warhammer will give Player a little view of all Armies and they Units, also it will be a transitional solution for the obsolet Armybooks
-Armies of Warhammer will be a part in the Hardback Rulebook
-The Rulebook in the Set will be a simplified "Starter Rulebook"
-A smaller complete Hardback Rulebook will released too, called "Warhammer - The Rules"

Rules
-The ruleset will chance again, GW has recognized the last Edition was an hard inpact for sells of Warhammer products
-The number of special rules will reduced
-There will be no releases of Fantasy Suppliments, the books will contain more background. Page numbers up to 150 pages are possible!

Tim the Thief has zero confirmations yet, but come October we will see how accurate he is. He is certain is will be Blood Bowl.

If these are true, army books are going to jump to the $58 mark at that page count. Worried about what the simplified rules will look like and possible see this being a move to a 3rd Ed 40k rule set.

**Aerethan**

This will be interesting to say the least. I'm fine with Ravening Hordes 2.0, as it's something that is sorely needed if full books cannot be released before the next edition(which appears to be the case).

**Micky**

Yeah, the current trend of pushing out lots of content came too late - at the current rate they still wont have all the books out before a new edition (if indeed it is june/july next year as currently expected).

And frankly I love the idea of all the armies being in one book, even if they're kinda lite on lore.

**jojo_monkey_boy**

Worried about what the simplified rules will look like and possible see this being a move to a 3rd Ed 40k rule set.

+1

Randomized charge distances was just the beginning...

**Triple_double_U**

I came in just after Ravening Hordes. But were the armies in that book quite simplified? i.e. How was something like Dwarf runic system or the whole gamut of wacky skaven toys go in a Ravening Hordes type book?

**Eldarain**

Triple_double_U wrote:
I came in just after Ravening Hordes. But were the armies in that book quite simplified? i.e. How was something like Dwarf runic system or the whole gamut of wacky skaven toys go in a Ravening Hordes type book?

There was a very small selection of race specific items for each faction.

**Ehsteve**

The problem:
"Sir! Massive random elements and simplified rules are killing WHFB!"

The apparent answer:
"Obviously they are not educated enough to understand the brilliance of our new vision! We shall further simplify things, make the balancing point larger, put a greater focus of en masse combat involving core troops."

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I (personally) do not like a single thing that was said, even updating old softcover rulebooks in one book to tide them over. All this will mean is fewer special army elements, less items, less rules, and simply justifying the larger volume by sticking in more fluff. Not saying fluff is bad, just that it already absorbs a particularly large portion of the BRB already. Throw in back some of that complexity which made the game so much more satisfying in earlier editions rather than simply homogenizing it with 40k.

However, taking the reasonable man's perspective, it seems that they are trying really hard to drag everyone possible into the new edition in order to maximize effect. Update every old book so people will be compelled to buy into the new edition. It looks like they're trying to justify the more expensive book prices by cramming in more content, the value of which is entirely subjective but looks more likely to just raise the cost of entry further. One can only hope that the new edition doesn't stagnate as early as 8th.

**silent25**

Triple_double_U wrote:
I came in just after Ravening Hordes. But were the armies in that book quite simplified? i.e. How was something like Dwarf runic system or the whole gamut of wacky skaven toys go in a Ravening Hordes type book?

The bell and the doomwheel were in RH and there were a select number of runes dwarfs could use and combine. Each army had 2 - 3 pages devoted to them.

**jonolikespie**

That all sounds bad, especially the part where you have to but a hardback book to get the 'full' rules.

**RiTides**

I think simply for GW's self-interest the next edition of fantasy will be good, to try to get people back into the game. These rumors don't bother me so far, but obviously it could go either way...

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

One above all else: Please make Dragons/large flying monsters more survivable. My friend has a beautiful fully painted VC Zombie Dragon that he never fields cause it dies every time to turn one cannon fire, without exception.

**Triple_double_U**

I don't think you'll have to buy the hardback to get the "full rules" It'll be more of what the situation is now.

- Buy the large hard back for rules, armies and fluff
- Buy the starter with the small rules book for rules, probably without the armies
- Buy a new rules only hardback (like what came out for 40k recently)

**ExNoctemNacimur**

I think maybe we should wait and see for either more rumours or actual facts before making quick judgements?

**jonolikespie**

Triple_double_U wrote:I don't think you'll have to buy the hardback to get the "full rules" It'll be more of what the situation is now.

- Buy the large hard back for rules, armies and fluff
- Buy the starter with the small rules book for rules, probably without the armies
- Buy a new rules only hardback (like what came out for 40k recently)

I took:

silent25 wrote:
-The Rulebook in the Set will be a simplified "Starter Rulebook"
-A smaller complete Hardback Rulebook will released too, called "Warhammer - The Rules"

to mean that the little book would not give you all the rules needed to play the full game, if that happens I'm going to have to take a good, long think about wither or not I want to keep playing GW games.

At this point the only think tying me to GW is fantasy but I've lost all faith that they can improve upon what we have with 8th so if they mean to change anything drastically then I'm not paying $100 for rules that may end up driving me away from the game.

**OgreChubbs**

If all armies do not have their OWN rule book I am out. I spend roughly 1-2 thousand a month on fantasy models. Which I can use in different games that do not cost 100$ per model.
I never did play the new edition thanks to the random crap. Never knew how far I could run would be random but what do I know Olympics just got more exciting some people might not even leave the starting blocks.

What really killed it for me being a ogre player was when they require a lvl 4 wizard to play and dropped my tyrant. They made a subpar game called storm of magic with just wizards the gak didn't sell so they made fantasy into a bigger version of it and thought it would work? You know what it is called when you do the same thing over and over and expect different results slowed, so games workshop is officially slowed.

**streamdragon**

OgreChubbs wrote:
If all armies do not have their OWN rule book I am out. I spend roughly 1-2 thousand a month on fantasy models. Which I can use in different games that do not cost 100$ per model.
I never did play the new edition thanks to the random crap. Never knew how far I could run would be random but what do I know Olympics just got more exciting some people might not even leave the starting blocks.

What really killed it for me being a ogre player was when they require a lvl 4 wizard to play and dropped my tyrant. They made a subpar game called storm of magic with just wizards the gak didn't sell so they made fantasy into a bigger version of it and thought it would work? You know what it is called when you do the same thing over and over and expect different results slowed, so games workshop is officially slowed.

Actually that's insanity, not retardation.

Which describes most of this post, frankly. For example, I'm not sure how you could possibly think Storm of Magic's failure lead to 8th edition being what it is; Storm of Magic came out after 8th, not before it.

**RiTides**

8th inspired SoM, and neither were a commercial success, which is the only thing that gets through to GW. Hopefully they've learned their lesson!

**Manfred von Drakken**

The big problem with 8th Edition is that it wasn't designed to streamline the rules, it was designed to sell more models. Why do you think giant blocks of core infantry are so powerful right now?

The biggest things I'd like to see in 9th Edition are the removal of so many random elements (random terrain effects, random charge range, random magic dice, etc.) and a toning down or removal of steadfast.

**RiTides**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
The biggest things I'd like to see in 9th Edition are the removal of so many random elements (random terrain effects, random charge range, random magic dice, etc.) and a toning down or removal of steadfast.

You... and 90% of the fantasy players out there

. Again, hopefully with the hit to their bottom line that 8th edition has caused (due to high entry barrier needing so many models, and some mechanics that reduced how much it has been played in some areas) GW gets it right. I am optimistic and think that they will

**sing your life**

Seems like wood elves are coming next to me.

**Manfred von Drakken**

RiTides wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
The biggest things I'd like to see in 9th Edition are the removal of so many random elements (random terrain effects, random charge range, random magic dice, etc.) and a toning down or removal of steadfast.

You... and 90% of the fantasy players out there . Again, hopefully with the hit to their bottom line that 8th edition has caused (due to high entry barrier needing so many models, and some mechanics that reduced how much it has been played in some areas) GW gets it right. I am optimistic and think that they will

I'm hopeful, but given their track record I'm NOT optimistic. There's old story about Jervis Johnson having an idea, and it goes something like this:

Jervis: Hey, I just got an awesome idea! Wouldn't it be cool if-
Bean Counters: Will it sell the right number of models?
Jerivs: I dunno, but it's REALLY cool!
Beans Counters: Pass...

**Kroothawk**

Tim the Thief on Faeit 212 wrote:October: Dark Elves
The October will bring Dark Elves with a new Armybook, not Dwarfs!

February: Dwarfs
The Dwarf release has Switched to February

April: Bretonnians

Switch? Hastings always had Dark Elves before Dwarfs.

Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:If 9th edition were coming out, it would have the rules for all of the armies found in brief within the Core Rulebook. This would be for a player's reference to know the gist of what they might face against, not so much to make an army list and play from.

That said, if 9th edition were coming out, any army that does not receive a hardback 8th edition rulebook will notice that in the 9th edition core book their rules will be slightly more detailed, including points costs changes and the like; but they would still need their 7th edition arnybook to play in earnest.

Said armies would also be the first to get updated with 9th edition books if the new edition were coming out.

Also, any armybook after and including Lizardmen also is being built with the next edition already in mind, regardless of when 9th is actually going to come out.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

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Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:If 9th edition were coming out, it would have the rules for all of the armies found in brief within the Core Rulebook. This would be for a player's reference to know the gist of what they might face against, not so much to make an army list and play from.

That said, if 9th edition were coming out, any army that does not receive a hardback 8th edition rulebook will notice that in the 9th edition core book their rules will be slightly more detailed, including points costs changes and the like; but they would still need their 7th edition arnybook to play in earnest.

**Kroothawk**

Harry wrote:I'm honestly not sure where my money is. I try to imagine one book like warhammer armies for third edition ... then I look at my pile of hardback, or even the old soft back army books. It's not going to work. Back in second edition they only had about 10 armies and they could fit the army list on a few pages. Now we have a few more and they are all fully fleshed out armies that fill a book on their own. Either they will have to leave a lot of stuff out and just include army lists and a bit of bestiary to explain special rules OR they will need to be more than one book. If they do fit the stuff they need in one book where are they going to put the rest of the rich history, background, bestiary, hobby section, etc, etc. I can't see them leaving all that behind. (Which means it may be exactly as described in the first post that Warhammer armies is one thing but full army books remain).
When I heard about this it was still all up in the air.... I have no idea where the dust settled ... so just be sure that you are taking a chance.

(...)
I am not sure I have added any new information or even clarified the OP ... just re-stating what I said 10 months ago. The funny thing is this is not even the biggest change I heard about. (It's just what came up on the thread).
Again I don't know the details as I heard this a while ago and I suspect it was still all up in the air and I don't know where it all came down again ... but ... I did hear that the timeline was going to move forward. Not just a few years either but a few hundred of years. I didn't mention this at the time because they had only just released Karl Franz. But unless the Empire's magic users have come up with some clever way of prolonging life he along with every other special character would be dead and gone. But that is not all that would change ... technologies would move on. What technological advances would the skaven have come up with in another few hundred years? The empire already have robotic horses for crying out loud ... (reminds me ... I must get on and paint that Clockwork Dragon.) The Dwarves have flying machines now .... presumably they will be entering the space race? (No ... I am not predicting the return of squats to 40K). I am just saying things could change a good bit. Empires could rise and fall. Cataclysm could have happened, comets could have returned, civilisations could be wiped off the map. The balance of power could certainly have changed.

My sense of it was they were planning to take the opportunity to reset the clock and shake things up a bit.
(and that's just the background!!! )

Lets just say when 9th edition comes ... Warhammer Armies will not be the only, or the biggest topic of conversation.