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Starting an escalation league next month, and I thought it would be a good chance to get feedback on my Necrons. I don't want to buy too many models, so I'll base it on what I have first.

500 points
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse
5x warriors w/Destructek
5x warriors w/destructek

750
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse
5x warriors w/Destructek
5x warriors w/Destructek
6x scarabs
4x Destroyers (If I had any Spyders, I'd be adding two here instead and taking a full 10 scarabs... oh well)


Any comments on what I have? I know Necrons are going to struggle with the lower points in this league.

What are some army lists that I might be facing against?

I've been playtesting a lot of warrior 500-750 lists against my brother's 500 kan wall... the only time I've won is due to a horrible misplay on terrain due to his part. BA Assault marines list was a horrible defeat as well.

Necrons really struggle sub-1000 games. I want to try and bubble wrap a ghost ark with warriors and try and outlast in assaults by adding warriors back in (I believe the rules do not call for the unit to be unengaged) and res orbs.

Destroyers seem to work well at these point levels, but I don't own any, so I couldn't tell you for sure.

I've heard people talk about tomb blades as well. I've found the most effective thing at this level seems to be annihilation barges.

I know that's not much help, but maybe you can pick something out of that.

Katfude,
Can you post your list?

In general, Necrons are going to struggle against assault lists, that's why I'm going with many small units and as many cryteks as I can.

I don't really mind either of your plans. I like crypteks in small warrior squads as it wastes less of your fire, but unless you are only firing those lances ever, you've got some really vulnerable shooting.

One thing you can take heart in, at low levels, assault lists often have to hinge on a bunch of crappy attacks and then a couple scary ones from a hidden sarge. Your lords were made to neuter investments like that. You just need to make sure their points are doing something more than being a mind shackle nanny.

I feel your pain re the models, but here are some more ideas.

The illumator

6 tesla immortals
6 tesla immortals

3 of the heaviest of destroyers
484
You can also cut a destroyer and an immortal to get access to 3 particle casting jetbikes. It's nice to stay out of 12 inches. The hq cryptek also changes where you'll want to fire and how you'll want your immortals to split so play with it as you will

You can also afford 2 small squads of immortals, the illumator and 2 night scythes. That list looks really cute to me.

For your first list I personally would recommend a unit of 5 wraiths w/ 1 coil and 1 pistol and take out a warrior unit w/ tek and the barge. Toss the lord into a unit. Use the Tek's to pop transports, and the wraiths will do the rest.

For the second list I think your on the right track with Spyders (proxy maybe? As theres no suitable models currently), not so much Destroyers... I feel they're far too fragile and lack range to be effective.

I do like the idea of adding Wraiths... they are very powerful, and the fast enough to mess up most of the assault lists i expect to see. The league is following WYSIWYG... so I'll need to make the wraiths and cryteks. (I'm allergic to finecast... or at least paying that much for resin.)

500
Bare Overlord
5x Warriors w/Destructek
5x Warriors w/Destructek
5x Wraiths w/3 Whipcoils w/1 Particle Caster

750
Overlord w/Phaeron
Overlord w/Phaeron
5x Warriors w/2 Destructek, Solar Pulse
5x Warriors w/2 Destructek, Solar Pulse
5x Wraiths w/4 Whipcoils w/1 Particle Caster

Anpu-adom wrote:I do like the idea of adding Wraiths... they are very powerful, and the fast enough to mess up most of the assault lists i expect to see. The league is following WYSIWYG... so I'll need to make the wraiths and cryteks. (I'm allergic to finecast... or at least paying that much for resin.)

500
Bare Overlord
5x Warriors w/Destructek
5x Warriors w/Destructek
5x Wraiths w/3 Whipcoils w/1 Particle Caster

750
Overlord w/Phaeron
Overlord w/Phaeron
5x Warriors w/2 Destructek, Solar Pulse
5x Warriors w/2 Destructek, Solar Pulse
5x Wraiths w/4 Whipcoils w/1 Particle Caster

I like those lists! Should be pretty damn powerful against most anything you face! Wraiths will chew up anything they face, especially at that level, in CC

Thanks, Zid.

Do you think that the 2 Staff of Light and 4 Eldrich Lance shots are enough AT at the 750 level?

I'm struggling with where to go for the 1000 and 1250 level. I want to add more troops for objective based missions, but I also want to add another unit of Wraiths. Then again, I also want to add a pair of Annihilation barges. It may be best to play out the first few months and see what everyone else brings (and what seems to work for me.)

Wraiths aren't terrible anti tank!

Anpu-adom wrote:Thanks, Zid.

Do you think that the 2 Staff of Light and 4 Eldrich Lance shots are enough AT at the 750 level?

I'm struggling with where to go for the 1000 and 1250 level. I want to add more troops for objective based missions, but I also want to add another unit of Wraiths. Then again, I also want to add a pair of Annihilation barges. It may be best to play out the first few months and see what everyone else brings (and what seems to work for me.)

Yes, 4 lances should be plenty. Even IG would only have 2-3 chimeras and maybe 1 Vendetta at that level. Marines would have at most 2 rhinos and 1 support vehicle.

It all depends, at 1k I'd probably add 1 more warrior unit w/ 2 teks, and 1 more unit of wraiths (maybe 2 units of 4?) After that, say 1250, add more wraiths and some barges. Honestly, once you hit 4 warrior squads with 2 teks each with barge support thats a lot of AT!

Ok, lets go down the list of what an army needs

HQ - Check
Troops Choices... 2 at 500, 2 at 750... check
AT - 2 lances at 500 plus the rending Wraiths, 4 lances at 750 plus the rending Wraiths
Anti-Infantry - 10 rapid fire shots (adding Relentless at 750), Staff of Lights, and Wraiths
Defense/Counter units Wraiths are counterish... Solar Pulses at 750 are defensive. I plan on messing with his shooting turn 1. I should be on his doorstep turn 2, and if I need to take some heat off my objectives later I'll use the other pulse.

Anpu-adom wrote:Ok, lets go down the list of what an army needs

HQ - Check
Troops Choices... 2 at 500, 2 at 750... check
AT - 2 lances at 500 plus the rending Wraiths, 4 lances at 750 plus the rending Wraiths
Anti-Infantry - 10 rapid fire shots (adding Relentless at 750), Staff of Lights, and Wraiths
Defense/Counter units Wraiths are counterish... Solar Pulses at 750 are defensive. I plan on messing with his shooting turn 1. I should be on his doorstep turn 2, and if I need to take some heat off my objectives later I'll use the other pulse.

Yepper, thats the name of the game for 'Crons it seems! Go forth and conquer >.>

Do you find the 40 phaeron points are worth the 10 shots at range 24, when you'll be trying to fire the 36 range gun anyway?
I'm not being snappy, I'm also pretty curious.

One thing to remember is that an upgrade to phaeron is the same amount of points that it costs to upgrade a minimal warrior unit to a immortal unit, which may well have range 24 shooting anyway, and a better save.

Lucre,
Switching to Immortals definitely something to think about, but I don't have the immortals. Another issue is that (after checking with the TO), all the models in your 500 point list are expected to be in your 750, etc... spending those points on the 500 list effectively squeezes out the Wraiths or the long range from the crypteks.

Here would be an different list @500:
Destroyer Lord
5x Tesla Immortals
5x Tesla Immortals
5x Wraiths w/3 Whipcoils

While this would build nicely into a Wraithwing, I feel that it is weaker at range.

On the matter of pheron, what else could I use that 40 points on in the 750 list?

See, being a bit of a noob, I don't feel like I can tell you whats best. I'm on this board for a reason. Shared wisdom and a place to ask these kinds of questions.
It's a toughy to me.

I have to say though, I do like the way you are handling the extra layers of modeling and point's progression complications. There are way more layers to this game than I had assumed when getting back into it.

My ideas regarding the Phaeron points are often the age old argument that models and wounds often outweigh upgrades, but when it's an upgrade that influences 5 shots it might be a little different. A wraith is 40 points. You get 3 more warrior buffers in for your special weapons. You could fill it with a well upgraded tomb blade or maybe 2. I'm not entirely sure to be honest.

Removing another upgrade like the duplicate nightfighting or the caster could make for a serious addition of stuff fielded. You have a really cute mix of units right now but it's very lean.

And vs the Destroyer lord list. I agree about the scary loss of shooting. A destroyer lord is a real terror on the table top, especially if it is making use of scarabs at this point level, but it also keeps wraiths from flying through cover and ignoring it's effects on their charge.

500 points
Necron Overlord
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse
5x warriors w/Destructek
5x warriors w/Destructek
6x canoptek scarabs


750
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek, Transmogtek
8x canoptek scarabs

1000
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek, Transmogtek
8x canoptek scarabs
6x canoptek wraiths, w4x Whipcoils

The benefit of these lists, is that I'd only need to buy another CCBarge at the 750 points level, and I'm definitely planing on using two barges at 1250 and 1500. Also, odds are very good that the Spyder/Wraith box will be available by the time that I need them in the 1k list.

The concern is that I just don't have the volume of shooting required to keep assault armies out of my hair. If I'm rapid-firing into Orks (for instance) I'm going to end up loosing that squad. The Transmogtek at 750 should help, but I know that I'll be facing at least 1 army of Nids and another of Orks, in addition to Marines of every flavor.

1 Overlord Warscythe
1 Catacomb Command Barge Gauss Cannon;

1 Harbinger of Destruction ; Eldritch Lance; Solar Pulse;
1 Harbinger of Destruction Eldritch Lance

9 Warriors,
1 Ghost Ark

8 Warriors,
1 Ghost Ark

1 Annihilation Barge Gauss Cannon
1 Annihilation Barge Gauss Cannon
1 Annihilation Barge Gauss Cannon




This is generally the list I have settled on for 1k points, however it's very easy to sub out the Ghost Arks/warriors for more points that can be spent elsewhere. This list may also be a tad light on Anti-tank, but compensates but throwing out 6 AV 13 Vehicles, which would be exceptionally difficult for any army to deal with at 1k.


I would also be wary of relaying on 2 Royal court members joining the same squad. As per now, by RAW it is legal, but I personally think in the FAQ that's going to change.

Oh man, that 1k list is DURTY.

Sorry it took so long to respond. At 500, I took 2 anni barges and 2 warrior blobs (1 with relentless lord) and just shoot n' scooted from his kan wall. Not an optimized list by any means, I don't have crypteks modelled yet, and didn't proxy any.

I feel like immortals would be very successful at low point levels with tesla. Something like:

Overlord- MSS and Scythe (discourage charges against 1 unit)

Tesla Immortals x7 +Lancetek

Tesla Immortals x6 +Lancetek

Annihilation Barge

I don't have any immortals unfortunately, maybe you do, but it seems like a nice shoot n' scoot at that point level.

First, I obviously like the wraith lists you suggested, but maybe at 500 you should just be building your core first, so that as the game goes on, your wraiths jump in as a surprise at 750.
Looks like you've got a lot covered in this thread already, so i dont know how much help i can be . 500 points is rough, but...

Well equipped Wraith Squads cost 250 Each. 6 wraiths with 3 coils and 2 casters, so keep that on the back burner for the 750 point bump.

Personally I prefer tesla Immortals if you're foot slogging minimum troops.

A scarab squad costs 150 fully stocked, but those points might be better spent on 2 spyders and a min swarm.

At Low Cost games, Spyders and Scarabs are a high value item - T6 makes the spyders a safe 50 point investment, and even a 45 point scarab swarm is going to be a problem for your opponent if 2 spyders add 4 models over 2 turns.

The one unit I really love is the D-Lord. at 125 he's a problem. At 145 he's a nightmare. You could think of wraiths as the 'royal court' for a d-lord, at least a solid entourage. A couple of wraiths escorting a D-lord into a hot zone makes sense. I usually bury him in a wraith squad and split off on the round I plan to initiate assaults.


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Oh, and Sasori's list is Dynamite.

Thanks all for the help!

As awful(to your opponent) as the list it, the build up to Sasori's list is problematic. At 500 and 750 you end up leaving a lot of points hanging around, and I have a knee-jerk reaction against that. (Maybe it's not a big deal).

500
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge
9x Warriors with Destuctek and Solar Pulse
8x Warriors with Destrcutek
491 points

The next 250 points are the problem.
You can add 2 Ghost Arks for a total of 721.
You can add 2 Annihilation Barges for a total of 671 (three is 761 points)

On the upside, I don't need to buy Immortals and I understand how to use the floating gunline that this list becomes. It also relies on models that I have or are out and can get (though the price tag at 750 and 1000... well, I'm going to need to end up buying stuff anyway. This league is to help the FLGS get started.)

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Maybe I can fill in the points that bother me with spiders and scarabs instead. Scarabs are on everyone's awareness right now (and it seems that people fixate on them... they are a great, relatively cheap, distraction!)

500
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge
9x Warriors with Destuctek and Solar Pulse
8x Warriors with Destrcutek
491 points

750
Add
3 Spyders
7 Scarabs
746 total

At 1000
Add
2 Ghost Arks
1 Scarab Swarm
991 Total

at 1250
Add
6 warriors (a unit of 5 and 1 more in a ghost ark)
2 Annihilation barges
total 1249

There, I've basically grown into Sasori's list, losing a Annihilation barge but adding 6 warriors, 3 spyders and 8 scarabs. What does this list need to compete at 1500?

Eh, I think you should be building more along the lines that you've been going so far. If you feel like Cramming in a couple A. Barges along the way, do it, they rock.

I personally don't like using warriors. there's way too much AP4 out there, for 4 more points you get a 3+ save and a choice of two better guns. I also prefer Scythes to Arks. They do what transports are supposed to do better than any other av11 vehicle in the game.

Also, TAC lists need Assault components; 5e favors assault over shooting; just ask any tau player. Wraiths and scarabs are the best models in the codex. Don't leave them on the sideline.

Tesla handles infantry and does a number on MCs. Wraiths are amazing clean up, tar pits, and assassins. The only thing you really need help with is 2+ and AV14. Scarabs dont care if it's a land raider or a rhino, they crack armor. And a royal court may be the last piece of the puzzle.

If you really want to TAC, you need to make sure you've got enough tools.

That being said, I still thing that Sasori's list is pretty damn good, even though it goes against everything I recommend.

I like aggression. At around a thousand points, I'd try to get away with a destroyer lord, 6 wraiths, 10 scarabs, 20 immortals, a spyder and a barge; or an o-lord on ccb, 2-3 crypteks, 15 immortals, 6 wraiths, and some scarabs and maybe 1 or 2 spyders. Adding 250 would just be either a second wraith squad or 2 scythes and a spyder.

Really, a 1250 level list with 2x6 wraiths is going to handle a lot.

I will cry really hard if a FAQ comes down the line that you can't join 2 Crypteks to the same unit. I really like the MSU with two heavy weapons attached! I don't have any Immortals right now, and I can't see myself having the money I'd need to buy 2 boxes by the start of league play.

I'm thinking about going back to this list at 750 (or at least until a FAQ)
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
Necron Overlord w/warscythe
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse, Transmogtek
5x warriors w/Destructek, Transmogtek
8x canoptek scarabs

If necrons do get smacked with a FAQ by then and Spyders aren't out I'll go something like this (at work, don't have codex with me)

Necron Overlord w/warscythe
5x warriors w/Destructek and Solar Pulse
5x warriors w/Destructek
5x warriors w/Destructek
8x canoptek scarabs

With that configuration, you're just using your overlords as a royal court tax. The Warscythes do nothing for you without CCBs or phaeron or wargear like improved saves to keep them alive. If you attach them to warrior squads then you're not using warscythes, and if you have them on their own they get shot down or murdered in assault by practically any other HQ, even the Tau commander Farsight.

You may be better off actually dropping the warscythes, and attaching them to troop squads using their staves of light. But I'm not sure how I feel about the whole necron MSU thing in general.

I get it, the MSU + Cryptek army = very space wolves in theory, but not in application. Warriors are accurate in shooting, but without phaeron, they can really only shoot from within your opponent's assault threat range, and then they are thin skinned in assault - for a second compare them to the space wolves which have twice as many attacks, twice the initiative, a better save, melta guns, and unit upgrades. Yes, warriors are 2 points cheaper. I'd pay those 2 points in a second.

My point is necrons are not one of the armies can do MSU well, because of a few things: Necron transports are expensive, necron troop squads are easily swept in assault, necron warriors are thin skinned.

If you want multiple scoring units, you need to present another threat that your enemy has to deal with, and literally use your minimized troop squads as 0 priority targets, and put a few things out there that your opponent cant ignore. The necrons, thankfully, have some good options. Scarabs supported by spyders, Annihilation Barges, Wraiths, and Destroyers all fit the bill. Not sure about tomb blades, they don't look so hot.

Sasori and Junk,
I love how you to interplay on every thread. You both have very different opinions!

I have so many lists going through my head right now, that it's spinning!

In general, I like the footslogging troops and will try to get at least 1 box of immortals for the start of the league. I'm going to make sure that there are some scarabs in my 500 point list, but the spyders may not make it until the 1500 list. I want two groups of wraiths at 1k (and I'm hoping that some Annihilation Barges fit too!)

Been doing a lot of thinking these last few days. I've realized that I'll never have an ideal list. I'm just learning 40k (one of the main reasons I'm in the league in the first place), and it'll be a long time before I'd be able to use such a list effectively anyway. Instead, I'm going to try and focus on a few things:
#1. I need to focus on painting what I have to a good standard.
#2. I need to focus on learning the game, and the core units of the Necron army.

As such, here is my progression as it stands now.

500
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Scarabs

The focus here is to learn the rules and to focus on CCBarge, scarab movement, and warrior movement and unit coordination. The Transmogteks are the most cost effective of the Crypteks against foot, and I have a surprise for my opponent in later lists. :-) The Barge and Lord are my AT and anti-MC,

750
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 2 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons

Really, if Tomblades are available by this time, I might pick up 5 (Particle Beamers and Nebuloscopes) and switch the Crypteks to be Destructeks for AT and add more scarabs. As it stands, however, I already have this unit and I think I'll need more AT at this level. Another option would be Wraiths, but I'm not sure I'll have the money for them either. I like that the Destroyers are pretty resistant to ID, great MEQ killers, and the HGC are great can openers.

At 750, I won't have bought anything new... just (hopefully) learned how to play what I have now.

1000
Overlord w/warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 2 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons
2x Spyders

I have a feeling that the world will be much more dangerous for my Overlord, and so I'll add either Mindschackle scarabs or Sempiternal Weave to him. that with a pair of Spyders to ride herd on the scarabs. I'm pretty sure that I'll need another scoring unit at this point, and so the 5x warriors will hide out in reserves and walk on.

1250
Overlord w/warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 3 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons
2x Spyders
1x C'Tan Shard with Whithering Worldscape and Pyreshards.

Here's where the fun happens. Adding a C'tan Shard with Whithering Worldscape will make it dangerous for your opponents to move. Did some mathhammer with the wife (a math major), and you can cut a unit of Ork boys in half in 2 turns just by hitting them with the Transmogteks. I also added a 3rd heavy Gauss Cannon.

I'm also thinking of adding a Destroyer Lord to the Destroyer Unit (with a rez orb and Mindshackle Scarabs) and another unit of walk-on warriors at 1500.

Is it a tournament winning list? I highly doubt it. Is a good list for me right now? Yeah. I'll only need to get a C'tan and some Spyders (and maybe some other bitz and bobs).

Any suggestions on tactics for any of my lists?
Thanks.

Been doing a lot of thinking these last few days. I've realized that I'll never have an ideal list. I'm just learning 40k (one of the main reasons I'm in the league in the first place), and it'll be a long time before I'd be able to use such a list effectively anyway. Instead, I'm going to try and focus on a few things:
#1. I need to focus on painting what I have to a good standard.
#2. I need to focus on learning the game, and the core units of the Necron army.

As such, here is my progression as it stands now.

500
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Scarabs

The focus here is to learn the rules and to focus on CCBarge, scarab movement, and warrior movement and unit coordination. The Transmogteks are the most cost effective of the Crypteks against foot, and I have a surprise for my opponent in later lists. :-) The Barge and Lord are my AT and anti-MC,

I would honestly switch out the Transmogteks, for Lanceteks. I feel the firepower they add is a lot more useful than the Transmogteks.

750
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 2 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons

Really, if Tomblades are available by this time, I might pick up 5 (Particle Beamers and Nebuloscopes) and switch the Crypteks to be Destructeks for AT and add more scarabs. As it stands, however, I already have this unit and I think I'll need more AT at this level. Another option would be Wraiths, but I'm not sure I'll have the money for them either. I like that the Destroyers are pretty resistant to ID, great MEQ killers, and the HGC are great can openers.

At 750, I won't have bought anything new... just (hopefully) learned how to play what I have now.

As Before, I would strongly suggest Lanceteks, over Transmogteks. 240 points for that Destroyer unit is pretty pricy. I honestly don't play at 750, so I can't really advise much on that.

1000
Overlord w/warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 2 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons
2x Spyders

I have a feeling that the world will be much more dangerous for my Overlord, and so I'll add either Mindschackle scarabs or Sempiternal Weave to him. that with a pair of Spyders to ride herd on the scarabs. I'm pretty sure that I'll need another scoring unit at this point, and so the 5x warriors will hide out in reserves and walk on.

I think you would be fine, with 2 warrior squads instead of 3 at this point. The trick is, as Junk has said, putting so much pressure on your opponent that he can't focus on your troops. Jy2 has done this a number of times to great effect. At this point, You really should consider a Solar pulse. One of the best wargear options we have available.

I question the additions of the Spyders though. It would probably be best just to bulk out the Scarab swarm, and drop the Spyders. I'd also see about getting a good counter assault element in at this point. Wraiths are best, hands down.

1250
Overlord w/warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and CCBarge (gauss)
2 Transmogteks
7x Warriors
7x Warriors
5x Warriors
5x Scarabs
5x Destroyers, 3 w/Heavy Gauss Cannons
2x Spyders
1x C'Tan Shard with Whithering Worldscape and Pyreshards.

Here's where the fun happens. Adding a C'tan Shard with Whithering Worldscape will make it dangerous for your opponents to move. Did some mathhammer with the wife (a math major), and you can cut a unit of Ork boys in half in 2 turns just by hitting them with the Transmogteks. I also added a 3rd heavy Gauss Cannon.

I'm also thinking of adding a Destroyer Lord to the Destroyer Unit (with a rez orb and Mindshackle Scarabs) and another unit of walk-on warriors at 1500.

I've played the C'tan a few times now, and honestly I've come to the conclusion that it's not worth it's points. The big issue with it, is survivability. It only takes 8 wounds to kill a C'tan. With Strength 4 still being able to wound it on 6's, it really diminishes it's survivability. There is a lot you could do with those points, and keeping in the theme from my earlier suggestions.


I also agree with Junk about everything he said. In my opinion, lower point Necrons really either need to for aggressive play, or resiliency. It's hard to fit both in at lower points while making a good list. I just went with the 6 AV13 Vehicles because I use all of those models in my 2k list, and because they are all available for purchase for now. Junk's aggressive Necrons would work just as well, if not better than my list. Destroyer lords and Wraiths are just tops.

One of the best things about Necrons, is once you get up in points, you can get both the Aggressive AND resilient things in the dex, along with board control, which makes the Necron codex just a blast.

You are on the right track though, and I would love to hear how you do in the league!

Thanks again, for your input, Sasori. Do you really think I'm making progress in my list building? I feel like I'm just going around in circles!

Your comment about either going aggressive or going resilient makes a lot of sense... I don't think it would have occurred to me.

I understand the aggressive build. Scarabs and spyders, wraiths and destroyer lords, and Tesla Immortals, building to Wraithwing or Threat Overload. Other than the scarabs, I just don't have those tools in my toolbox yet.
Are you saying the 13AV Spam list is the resilient list? I have more of the tools involved in this kinda list (well, the warriors and a CCBarge anyway). I think it matches more of my natural tendencies as a player.

In the league, I know that I'll be facing a lot of marines, but a third of the players are playing horde armies. I'm worried that I'll need the blast weapons at 500 and 750, and that's why I've been preferring the Tremorstaves to the Eldrich Lances. I guess it's a balance. I can change weapons on my units at the various levels.

The unit of destroyers is something relatively tough that my opponent NEEDS to deal with, AND it's something that I have. Granted... going aggressive, Wraiths would be better. Going resilient, a pair of either ghost arks or annihilation barges would be better.

Fritz, on his Youtube Channel makes a real interesting point about Whither Worldscape... it allows you to kill your opponents models on his turn, which is something game changing. Add tremorstaves, and I mathhammered that you can drop a unit of 20 boyz down to half in 2 turns of movement JUST SHOOTING WITH THE TREMORSTAVE! Plus, it's soemthing that your opponent will need to think about every time he moves through terrain. That alone, will make the C'tan worth his points... I don't know that it belongs in a sub-1500 list, though.

Damn... this is like crack. I'm addicted to posting list progressions:

500
Overlord w/warscythe and CCBarge
5 Warriors w/Destructek
5 Warriors w/Destructek
8 Scarabs

750
Add
Ghost ark for 1 unit,
Bring each group of warriors up to 9
Add Solar Pulse to the Destructek in the Ark
Add Gaze of Flames to the Destructek that is walking

1000
Add
Annihilation Barge w/Gauss underneath
4 Wraiths w/2 whipcoils

1250
Add
Destroyer Lord
5 Warriors with a Despairtek with Veil of Darkness

1500
Add
Annihilation barge w/Gauss underneath
4 Wraiths w/2 whipcoils

I think this list balances being aggressive with the scarabs, wraiths, CCBarge, and Destroyer Lord, while remaining resilient with the Ghost Arks, Crypteks, and having a nice last minute objective claiming group of warriors with a VOD. Both parts of the army should really start to function at the 1250 point level.

Granted, that means I'll have to buy 3 vehicles, 3 boxes of Wraiths, and make 3 Crypteks.
It'll leave me with 4 AV13 vehicles, and 1 more wraith/Spyder body to build. One more box of Wraiths/Spyders and another Ghost Ark, and I feel like I'll have the tools to make a respectable 1850 list.



1850
Overlord w/warscythe, MSS and SW and CCBarge
Destroyer Lord w/MSS and SW
5 Warriors w/Despairtek w/Veil of Darkness
9 Warriors w/Destructek w/Solar Pulse in a Ghost Ark
9 Warriors w/Destructek in a Ghost Ark
9 Scarabs
6 Wraiths, 4 w/Whipcoils and 2 w/pistols
6 Wraiths, 4 w/Whipcoils and 2 w/pistols
Annihilation Barge, w/Gauss
Annihilation Barge, W/Gauss
Total 1849

I really like the aggressiveness of your latest 500 list.

maybe pass on the extra warriors and the Gaze of Flames at 750 for 2 arks and the solar pulse. I'd be willing to pass on the wraith pistols and the 9th scarab for a 2nd Solar pulse and a Nightmare Shroud.

This is my 500pt list. Its mostly for fun though and not the most competitive.

Hq:
overlord

5 lychguard
dispersion sheilds

2*5 warrior unit

and then load the rest on upgrades.

Or you could drop the sheilds and get an anni barge or another warrior unit.