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I know there was some interest earlier, so here are some pics of the built Flash Gitz, leftover bits, and the start of some Nob Kitbashing:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600395.page#6941496

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
I don't understand this WD-exclusive Looted Wagon business. Is this a way for GW to increase sales for the Battlewagon kit?

Most likely there was no room in the codex for everything, something had to be dropped, but they know people love looted wagons, but they are not very good. Compromise, but them in WD.

Paper does not cost that much.


Looted wagon:
Loot a vehicle unit from any other codex+it's bs becomes 2. You get take upgrades from ork dex.

There you go. It took me 1 line of text to make looted wagons awesome

It's not a matter of the cost of paper, but there set sizes that a hard back book can be (and paperbacks for that matter). It's down to the way they are bound. If you look at the side of a hard back book you will see the pages in chunks (known as signatures). You can't just add one more page, you have to add another signature, which is 16 pages. That is why there are limits on what can go in. There is a set amount of space for this and other reasons (practical and editorial). Every book has this issue.

They could change it, but not everything can go in. If they add more stuff something either has to be dropped or the book made multiples of 16 pages bigger.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
I don't understand this WD-exclusive Looted Wagon business. Is this a way for GW to increase sales for the Battlewagon kit?

Most likely there was no room in the codex for everything, something had to be dropped, but they know people love looted wagons, but they are not very good. Compromise, but them in WD.

Paper does not cost that much.

It's not a matter of the cost of paper, but there set sizes that a heard back book can be. It's down to the way they are bound. If you look at the side of a heard back book you will see the pages are normally in chunks. You can't just add one more page, you have to add another 18 or so (I forget the exact number). That is why there are limits on what can go in. There is a set amount of space for this and other reasons (practical and editorial). Every book has this issue.

paper is usually printed in big squares,which are then chopped up.. so you're right, Some printers print 96 pages in one chunk for economies of scale. Usually you add 16 pages at a time, you can add 8 but that's less efficient, hence more expensive.

Potentially the issue is that adding it to the book would have required they have a model they do not have model for.

Putting it in WD lets them explain things like kit bashing other models etc.

Honestly, who cares? People are just complaining to complain now. The rules are there, they are in the WD and you can save the leaked photos above to use at your leisure. What does it matter that they aren't in the codex?

 PhillyT wrote:
Potentially the issue is that adding it to the book would have required they have a model they do not have model for.

Putting it in WD lets them explain things like kit bashing other models etc.

Honestly, who cares? People are just complaining to complain now. The rules are there, they are in the WD and you can save the leaked photos above to use at your leisure. What does it matter that they aren't in the codex?

QFT. I am happy that we at least get to play with our looted wagons. Be happy we got our wish - It may not be in the codex but it's still going to be playable.

Looted Wagon rules.....anybody else notice the lack of a boomgun, and the inclusion of the killkannon?

...........WHY!?

Boomgun is the looted wagon's staple gear! the oversized gun is what defined that thing! why remove it and give it a normal ork weapon???
Looks like looted wagons shifted over to transports since they have a 10pt deffrolla now. Unless they buffed the crap out of the killkannon, my looted wagons will never field their big gun ever again.

EDIT: Also the Looted Wagon, Flash Gitz, Wazdakka, Warboss with MegaArmor or Bike, or a Big Mek with Mega Armor dont exist in model form but have rules in the current codex. Looted wagon was a unit that allowed ork players to kitbash the most hilariously over-orkified vehicle ever and have it count as something funky involving stolen technology - hence boomgun and the Dont Press Dat! rule.
The model in the WD looks massive imo. Hard to judge but it looks freakin huge for a low armor vehicle.
(To those commenting there is a warboss with mega armor, thats Ghazzy not a warboss, everyone just uses it as a normal warboss)

the sky is falling.

does anyone know if the killkannon is staying the same in the new codex?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Looted Wagon rules.....anybody else notice the lack of a boomgun, and the inclusion of the killkannon?

...........WHY!?

Boomgun is the looted wagon's staple gear! the oversized gun is what defined that thing! why remove it and give it a normal ork weapon???
Looks like looted wagons shifted over to transports since they have a 10pt deffrolla now. Unless they buffed the crap out of the killkannon, my looted wagons will never field their big gun ever again.

EDIT: Also the Looted Wagon, Flash Gitz, Wazdakka, Warboss with MegaArmor or Bike, or a Big Mek with Mega Armor dont exist in model form but have rules in the current codex. Looted wagon was a unit that allowed ork players to kitbash the most hilariously over-orkified vehicle ever and have it count as something funky involving stolen technology - hence boomgun and the Dont Press Dat! rule.
The model in the WD looks massive imo. Hard to judge but it looks freakin huge for a low armor vehicle.
(To those commenting there is a warboss with mega armor, thats Ghazzy not a warboss, everyone just uses it as a normal warboss)

It's a Leman Russ, which would normally be front armour 14 (I think).

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Looted Wagon rules.....anybody else notice the lack of a boomgun, and the inclusion of the killkannon?

...........WHY!?

Boomgun is the looted wagon's staple gear! the oversized gun is what defined that thing! why remove it and give it a normal ork weapon???
Looks like looted wagons shifted over to transports since they have a 10pt deffrolla now. Unless they buffed the crap out of the killkannon, my looted wagons will never field their big gun ever again.

EDIT: Also the Looted Wagon, Flash Gitz, Wazdakka, Warboss with MegaArmor or Bike, or a Big Mek with Mega Armor dont exist in model form but have rules in the current codex. Looted wagon was a unit that allowed ork players to kitbash the most hilariously over-orkified vehicle ever and have it count as something funky involving stolen technology - hence boomgun and the Dont Press Dat! rule.
The model in the WD looks massive imo. Hard to judge but it looks freakin huge for a low armor vehicle.
(To those commenting there is a warboss with mega armor, thats Ghazzy not a warboss, everyone just uses it as a normal warboss)

"Normal ork weapon"? there were exactly as many kilkannons as there were boomguns in the old codex, 1. It is not unreasonable to consolidate them, especially when the lw is now not in the codex. As for the units you mentioned, gitz now have models, Wazdakka is likely dropped (sadly), fw has a biker boss and nobs, and MegaArmor for boss and meks are technically wargear, not a separate unit, and GW sometimes doesn't have all the war gear options modeled

Seriously? I now need to add deffrollas to like 6 of my looted wagons now

Whats going to be the MBT of orks now? The looted Wagon losts its armor plates and IIRC you can't take a decent gun on the BW.

 Steve steveson wrote:
It's not a matter of the cost of paper, but there set sizes that a hard back book can be (and paperbacks for that matter). It's down to the way they are bound. If you look at the side of a hard back book you will see the pages in chunks (known as signatures). You can't just add one more page, you have to add another signature, which is 16 pages. That is why there are limits on what can go in. There is a set amount of space for this and other reasons (practical and editorial). Every book has this issue.

They could change it, but not everything can go in. If they add more stuff something either has to be dropped or the book made multiples of 16 pages bigger.

While you are technically right, this argument applies only if you are printing some sort of thin booklett you need to be able to sell as cheap as possible or distribute for free to students or something. GW is charging us 40-45€ for 100something pages. Even accounting for colored print and everything, adding another 16 pages is a difference of "will our revenue margin be 85% or 90% of asked price?". They could double the codex size and it would still be profitable. You can get textbooks with lots of colored images that are several hundreds of pages thick cheaper than that. Yes, sure, those colorfull backgrounds on the pages are more expensive to manufacture, but not that much. It's a couple cents per book, maybe an euro. The codex is not hand-copied by monks on full moons...

Also, since GW is charging you extra for digital editions (a joke in itself), those could handle more fluff and art for the extra money, while the printed stuff could use more of it's alocated pages for rules. I'd be fine with a rules-wargear-numbers-only codex for cheap and a fluff-ladden digital version to accompany it (for free). So seriously, "we ran out of pages" does not apply.

Leerjawise wrote:
Wazdakka is likely dropped (sadly)

Wazdakka is almost certainly still in - he has a special mention in the Shokk Attack Gun WD.


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 ace101 wrote:
Whats going to be the MBT of orks now? The looted Wagon losts its armor plates and IIRC you can't take a decent gun on the BW.

It can take a Killkannon. Don't know whether that counts as decent for you.

 YourIntestines wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:
Wazdakka is likely dropped (sadly)

Wazdakka is almost certainly still in - he has a special mention in the Shokk Attack Gun WD.

So did nazdreg, tuska, and the arch-arsonist. But here's hoping! I would be very disheartened if we lost our badass biker and our badass psyker


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 ace101 wrote:
Whats going to be the MBT of orks now? The looted Wagon losts its armor plates and IIRC you can't take a decent gun on the BW.

Armor plates are very likely in the vehicle wargear table, so they'll still be available

 Kosake wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
It's not a matter of the cost of paper, but there set sizes that a hard back book can be (and paperbacks for that matter). It's down to the way they are bound. If you look at the side of a hard back book you will see the pages in chunks (known as signatures). You can't just add one more page, you have to add another signature, which is 16 pages. That is why there are limits on what can go in. There is a set amount of space for this and other reasons (practical and editorial). Every book has this issue.

They could change it, but not everything can go in. If they add more stuff something either has to be dropped or the book made multiples of 16 pages bigger.

While you are technically right, this argument applies only if you are printing some sort of thin booklett you need to be able to sell as cheap as possible or distribute for free to students or something. GW is charging us 40-45€ for 100something pages. Even accounting for colored print and everything, adding another 16 pages is a difference of "will our revenue margin be 85% or 90% of asked price?". They could double the codex size and it would still be profitable. You can get textbooks with lots of colored images that are several hundreds of pages thick cheaper than that. Yes, sure, those colorfull backgrounds on the pages are more expensive to manufacture, but not that much. It's a couple cents per book, maybe an euro. The codex is not hand-copied by monks on full moons...

Also, since GW is charging you extra for digital editions (a joke in itself), those could handle more fluff and art for the extra money, while the printed stuff could use more of it's alocated pages for rules. I'd be fine with a rules-wargear-numbers-only codex for cheap and a fluff-ladden digital version to accompany it (for free). So seriously, "we ran out of pages" does not apply.

Like I said, it's not just a cost issue, but there are probably other reasons they have decided to go for the size they have. I'm not going to get in to some stupid argument over the implications of changing the number of pages in a book, as the simple answer is, without the details of cost and editorial choices we have no idea of knowing why they made the choice. The fact is that any publisher printing any book has to make a choice of how many pages they have. They had a choice of cutting one page or adding 15. They chose to cut one. They made a choice about how much fluff and how much rules to put in. Choices have to be made. "we ran out of pages" absolutely applies. It's not some big evil conspiracy to rip people off, its a simple design choice.

I Have the white Dwarf direct in front of me. Sry for my english im from germany. Solid Information:

Captn Badrukk is HQ choice now
Painboy is HQ
Stompa is in the Dex
No signs of a 6 killa can unit or dual fire weapons

If Orks fail there leadership check they have to roll on the (in german) "grüner Mob Tabelle" something like "green mob spreadsheet" (new mob rule)
where a result of 1 ignores the missed LDCheck or on other results the unit run away or have a little battle on each other.
Bosspole gives you a reroll of this green mob table.

It seems so as Ork flyers become troop choice if a BIg Mek is in the army Oo

found a second ago: new Killsaw is possible equipment for Nobz too

Whoa whoa whoa.


Stompa is in the codex?

It's been rumored for a while.

I'd be surprised if it isn't in there. I was super-surprised the Baneblade wasn't in the IG codex.

Warboss85 wrote:
I Have the white Dwarf direct in front of me. Sry for my english im from germany. Solid Information:

Captn Badrukk is HQ choice now
Painboy is HQ
Stompa is in the Dex
No signs of a 6 killa can unit or dual fire weapons

If Orks fail there leadership check they have to roll on the (in german) "grüner Mob Tabelle" something like "green mob spreadsheet" (new mob rule)
where a result of 1 ignores the missed LDCheck or on other results the unit run away or have a little battle on each other.
Bosspole gives you a reroll of this green mob table.

It seems so as Ork flyers become troop choice if a BIg Mek is in the army Oo

found a second ago: new Killsaw is possible equipment for Nobz too

Pics or it isn't true! Painboy Hq, stompa in the dex.. sad there's no dual wielding kans.

Warboss85 wrote:


It seems so as Ork flyers become troop choice if a BIg Mek is in the army Oo

What.

 ntdars wrote:

Warboss85 wrote:


It seems so as Ork flyers become troop choice if a BIg Mek is in the army Oo

What.

I really hope this means that Big Meks open up several of the mechanical units to troop choices. It would be nice if we could dredmob properly and still use our heavy slots for other things. Too many heavy units right now. I only hope the codex changes that.

 Kosake wrote:
GW is charging us 40-45€ for 100something pages. Even accounting for colored print and everything, adding another 16 pages is a difference of "will our revenue margin be 85% or 90% of asked price?". They could double the codex size and it would still be profitable. You can get textbooks with lots of colored images that are several hundreds of pages thick cheaper than that.

Don't check the prices on children's picture books. if you think GW book prices are scandalous try paying $20 for a 20-page picture book. Incidentally, my law school books, used, ran in excess of $40-$75. New they were well north of $100. What textbooks are you thinking of?

HHAHAHAAH DEFF SKWADRON!!!! Oh my I am going to have so many planes....

I doubt that's true at all... That's basically animosity from fantasy! And flyers as troop, highly unlikely

 Multimoog wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Multimoog wrote:
I've gathered that most people here haven't put much stock in BOLS or Faeit during the rumor cycle but there's been some interesting stuff to mull over here:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/06/ork-army-information-separate-force-org.html

Ghazghgull is a lord of war
The stoompa is in the codex
Waaagh- They can run and charge same turn
Boarding planks adds 2inches to your move on disembarking te vehicle
Ere we go- reroll one charge die
In combat they are always fearless
Killa Kanz are now 6 a unit
Bikes are down 7 points Can be 15 a unit
A seperate forceorg chart
9 troops
3 HQs

3HQ in a detachment would be amazing, so would bike cost reduction. Also, boarding planks would SO be worth taking.

This rumoured Force-Org/Stompa stuff is identical to the Beasts of War rumours from late May
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2400/585556.page#6893882

What you linked to was a rumor about new formations, not a new reorganization of the Ork FOC.

No. It actually has both (as did the original BoW rumours).

Top of the post is the Formation, bottom of the post is the new type of Detachement.

Admittedly, it's not the best transcript of the video

Here is mine http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer40k-ork-rumours-stompa-ork-horde-detachment/

But Beasts of War mentioned both the Formation AND (!) the new type of Detachment

Warboss85 wrote:
I Have the white Dwarf direct in front of me. Sry for my english im from germany. Solid Information:

Captn Badrukk is HQ choice now
Painboy is HQ
Stompa is in the Dex
No signs of a 6 killa can unit or dual fire weapons

If Orks fail there leadership check they have to roll on the (in german) "grüner Mob Tabelle" something like "green mob spreadsheet" (new mob rule)
where a result of 1 ignores the missed LDCheck or on other results the unit run away or have a little battle on each other.
Bosspole gives you a reroll of this green mob table.

It seems so as Ork flyers become troop choice if a BIg Mek is in the army Oo

found a second ago: new Killsaw is possible equipment for Nobz too

Hi Warboss85, thanks for the info!

Can you tell us anything more about Kaptin Badrukk? Any special rules, things he does for the army? Did they mention what unit the Painboy was put into, and any benefits they gave that unit?

Take some pictures with your camera phone. YOu can upload to dakka from most smartphones.

 Zweischneid wrote:


No. It actually has both (as did the original BoW rumours).

Top of the post is the Formation, bottom of the post is the new type of Detachement.

Admittedly, it's not the best transcript of the video

Here is mine http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer40k-ork-rumours-stompa-ork-horde-detachment/

But Beasts of War mentioned both the Formation AND (!) the new type of Detachment

Ah, ok, that clarifies things. It says minimum of 1 HQ - aside from the rumor I posted has there been any info on max number of HQ?

 pretre wrote:
Take some pictures with your camera phone. YOu can upload to dakka from most smartphones.

He's updated his post since with pics.