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Miniature Market has it up for pre-order:

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/41771/s/ffgswm01/

$70, not bad! Gotta love online discounters ; p

 Yonan wrote:
$70, not bad! Gotta love online discounters ; p

I'm surprised people are just noticing the pre-orders being up. I had mine in at CoolstuffInc three days ago, and cheaper still. ;-)

That said, for how much Miniatures Market, etc.. have gotten out of me with X-wing, etc... I feel like they are just supremely confident that selling Starters at cost (or close) translates to me coming back for years buying expansions. :-p

For less than $1 more I'll go with Miniature Market. Especially since I'll be grabbing the boosters and such through them so I'll wind up with free shipping Plus I don't tend to use new companies on pre-orders, no matter their costs/shipping policies. I'm sure CoolstuffInc is good. Just haven't used them before

There's no need to pre-order now, right? Is there any benefit at all to doing so? I figure I'll keep my money (and any small amount of interest I'm getting on it, etc) and pre-order at the end of the year / within a month so of release.

 RiTides wrote:
There's no need to pre-order now, right? Is there any benefit at all to doing so? I figure I'll keep my money (and any small amount of interest I'm getting on it, etc) and pre-order at the end of the year / within a month so of release.

There's the "make sure you have a copy" aspect if you're concerned about insane popularity such as the sort that crippled collecting X-Wing early on due to stock shortages. However, that's not a huge concern with 6 months+ of prep time since FFG can look at pre-orders as of October/November and likely guesstimate proper supply. Still a chance but not one I see as particularly likely.

I'll probably be doing much the same, mainly because I want to see the various expansions for this and Imperial Assault and such to plot out monies.

 RiTides wrote:
There's no need to pre-order now, right? Is there any benefit at all to doing so? I figure I'll keep my money (and any small amount of interest I'm getting on it, etc) and pre-order at the end of the year / within a month so of release.

As Krinsath says, X-wing's early days were full of stock shortages. Apparently the pre-painted to non-garbage standard thing really puts a limit on production (or so FFG suggests). As such, if you happen to have the money there is the "ensure you won't miss out" factor.

Regarding Coolstuff... Eh.. I have no dog in that fight, and God knows i've given Miniatures Market most of my hobby money this year, but CSI has been around for a decade and just proves consistantly quicker to put up newly announced products, and always goes just a hair cheaper. I like 'em enough, and they had the pre-order up first... so they "won" in this case. :-p

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fewer YT's the better. They're over-represented, especially from a military point of view. They're freighters FFS, and most of them should remain that way.

As far as that carrier from Rebels, yeah, it's possible, but an Escort Carrier is generic enough and useful enough to fill the role for both sides.

Armada versions of the GR-75 along with other ships like the Carrack Cruiser, Dreadnoughts, Interdictors, Lancer Frigates (my personal fav), Strike Cruisers and other things like, for the Rebels, a Quasar-Class Bulk Cruiser (in place of a Rebel Escort Carrier), an alternate Assault Frigate, Neutron-Class Bulk Cruisers, the mighty Bulwark (which honestly looks like the front of a ship missing its middle and rear), and, of course, the DP20 Corellian Gunship!

There so much to choose from.

Although... the ship they have listed as Assault Frigate III, isn't that an Assault Frigate II? Never heard of a III variant before.

Yeah, it's the Assault Frigate Mk II. They had a similar problem with the Scyk as well, calling it the Interceptor after it's role as a light interceptor.

I hope we see the Wild Karrde/Action VI Transport at some point. It's art is some of my favorite.

 Yonan wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
The fighters at least do use plastic that's an appropriate base color for that faction.

For example, TIEs are in that neutral grey plastic. X-Wings are in that off-white plastic. So all it would take is a few dabs of paint, slather on some wash or ink, seal and you're set.

I'll paint them properly but for people who couldn't be donkeyed that's very handy, and a great idea in general.

I figure I just might use a wash to add some color and definition to them. I'm guessing they're not painted because they're too small to go through the painting process the factory uses?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Yonan wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
The fighters at least do use plastic that's an appropriate base color for that faction.

For example, TIEs are in that neutral grey plastic. X-Wings are in that off-white plastic. So all it would take is a few dabs of paint, slather on some wash or ink, seal and you're set.

I'll paint them properly but for people who couldn't be donkeyed that's very handy, and a great idea in general.

I figure I just might use a wash to add some color and definition to them. I'm guessing they're not painted because they're too small to go through the painting process the factory uses?

I was thinking of doing the same, maybe with just the tiniest dabs of added color, but do we know if the models have any details that would take a wash? I mean, the wash needs to have depressions to settle into, and most of the pics we've seen make those little guys look very flat, with soft details.

I think a wash will be great for the grey imperial ships (just badab black, or the latest equivalent). I'm not as sure about the rebels but I may try the same thing.

Black on the tie wings and red/blue/yellow/green for the rebels shouldn't be too tough for those of is in the wargaming hobby

Initially (and based on the name), I assumed this game was an attempt to recreate RotJ-sized battles (at least on one extreme end). But it looks to be more task-forced size. I'm on the fence, but the gameplay could put me over.

 Fugazi wrote:
Initially (and based on the name), I assumed this game was an attempt to recreate RotJ-sized battles (at least on one extreme end). But it looks to be more task-forced size. I'm on the fence, but the gameplay could put me over.

Same here. I really was hoping for a much larger model count at the tournament-size.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hexis/sets/72157646101071689/

Good close-ups of the fighters.

I think a big part of x-wing's success is that it uses 'good' pre-paints, you can be in the Star Wars universe as soon as you open the box so loads of folk who'd never build or paint a mini will buy it

For a large scale fleet game you'd end up with loads more unpainted 'tiny' ships like the fighters in this, which won't be too attractive to the mass market

(I suspect we'll eventually see the fighters from this painted too even if they cost more because there will be demand)

and since the act of painting itself has got to be a real part of the cost which won't come down by shrinking the ships (and the mould costs will only fall a bit) each small ship will be relatively more expensive, and thus look worse value when sold in the boosters

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hexis/sets/72157646101071689/

Good close-ups of the fighters.

Good enough. I can work with that.

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hexis/sets/72157646101071689/

Good close-ups of the fighters.

Nice find! They went with a funky angle on those B-wing mounts. I'm betting the rebel fighters will be white like the X-wings, not brown like the A/B/Y wing samples which there were only a few of.

Is it just me, or do the flight stands for the fighters seem to allow the fighters to be placed in different formations? Would these different formations have rules in-game or would it be purely for aesthetics?

Aesthetics most likely.

The closeups of the fighters really show how much detail they managed to squeeze into such a small area, impressive!

 Commander Cain wrote:
The closeups of the fighters really show how much detail they managed to squeeze into such a small area, impressive!

Screw that, look at the close ups of the capital ships. THOSE ARE STUNNING!

Squadrons of Advanced's annoy me. They shouldn't exist!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Squadrons of Advanced's annoy me. They shouldn't exist!

Yah, kinda confused why they went with that and not the Defender to fill the heavy Imperial fighter slot.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Squadrons of Advanced's annoy me. They shouldn't exist!

Looking at the article for the TIE Advanced x1 you should only have a single stand maximum, and even then they should be stationed on a full-fledged Imperial Star Destroyer, not a Victory-I.

Probably because, to the casual Star Wars fan who is not well versed in the books and other games, the Defender wouldn't be as recognizable. Or, maybe the Defender isn't possible for them to make such a small version of? That would be disappointing.

 Ghaz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fewer YT's the better. They're over-represented, especially from a military point of view. They're freighters FFS, and most of them should remain that way.

As far as that carrier from Rebels, yeah, it's possible, but an Escort Carrier is generic enough and useful enough to fill the role for both sides.

Armada versions of the GR-75 along with other ships like the Carrack Cruiser, Dreadnoughts, Interdictors, Lancer Frigates (my personal fav), Strike Cruisers and other things like, for the Rebels, a Quasar-Class Bulk Cruiser (in place of a Rebel Escort Carrier), an alternate Assault Frigate, Neutron-Class Bulk Cruisers, the mighty Bulwark (which honestly looks like the front of a ship missing its middle and rear), and, of course, the DP20 Corellian Gunship!

There so much to choose from.

Although... the ship they have listed as Assault Frigate III, isn't that an Assault Frigate II? Never heard of a III variant before.

Yeah, it's the Assault Frigate Mk II. They had a similar problem with the Scyk as well, calling it the Interceptor after it's role as a light interceptor.

I hope we see the Wild Karrde/Action VI Transport at some point. It's art is some of my favorite.

The Mark III featured in Empire at War. Personally, I think it's one of the nicer EU ships.

Sorry, but according to Wookieepedia that's the Assault Frigate Mk II. There's no such vessel class known as the Assault Frigate Mk III.

Oh. Right. Well, I guess they goofed. Or maybe it's a variant they made up.

Based on the fact the starter is pre painted dont you think the fighters will be painted, they're just showing what they've done?...